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Lol, yep. They can flex the meaning to fit the situation...undefined.
Very true. And that flexibility can be bad for the consumer sometimes . . . but other times it might be good for the consumer.
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Very true. And that flexibility can be bad for the consumer sometimes . . . but other times it might be good for the consumer.
I'm still thinking BI reports will be few and far between on the 2018 models forward. The logo dimming "high" setting option, which I assume all owners will use, should put an end to it for the most part. Perhaps gamers might still get it from HUD...

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The logo dimming "high" setting option, which I assume all owners will use, should put an end to it for the most part. Perhaps gamers might still get it from HUD...
For some reason, I think the recommendation is to put the logo dimming on "low." I'm trying to recall where I saw this -- I think it might have been the rtings review of the C8. Or it might even be in the LG owners manual. I'll see if I can find it.
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For some reason, I think the recommendation is to put the logo dimming on "low." I'm trying to recall where I saw this -- I think it might have been the rtings review of the C8. Or it might even be in the LG owners manual. I'll see if I can find it.
I remember reading something similar, but in that case at least it was a case of the "High" setting possibly interfering with other static elements on the screen f. ex. in films, TV shows and such.

I can't really say that I've personally noticed anything negative from having the setting on High, though. YMMV, obviously.

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I remember reading something similar, but in that case at least it was a case of the "High" setting possibly interfering with other static elements on the screen f. ex. in films, TV shows and such.
Yeah, you're right. My memory now is that the concern or issue was that the high setting might impact something on the screen beyond just the logo. i think I recall it was something to the effect that the high setting might brighten or lighten a larger area around the location of the logo. But you're probably right that one would never notice it unless you were really looking for it and were close to the screen.
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Is there a running total of how many victims are in this thread?

I've never accused anyone of "overblowing" the issue or stating that "every OLED will get BI" but it does seem to me to be the first question people ask about these panels here at AVS. I'd love to know the actually percentage of owners that end up with BI on their panel. I'd wager a good sum of money that it's less than 5% worldwide. I really think you guys are just unlucky and that is unfortunate.

BI is something I am not worried about in the slightest because my viewing habits say it isn't gonna happen. If I ever end up with BI feeding my TV a diet that consists of about 90% full/widescreen movies over the last 2000 hours I'll be back to eat my words.

No running total of BI victims in this thread, but there were a couple of polls done that are now probably outdated. Based on everything I've read, and I've read most, if not all, in the multiple threads I'm aware of, I'd guesstimate around 50 victims, maybe a bit more. The one poll alone had 35 victimes and has been closed for nearly a year. That may seem like a small number, but the polls ranged around 11-15% with burn-in. Some will argue that it's less because forums tend to attract those with problems and not those without problems. However, let's keep in mind AVS is an enthusiasts' forum. Enthusiasts tend to be more knowledgeable and aware of how to avoid burn in, are more likely to get their sets calibrated for dark room settings (lower OLED light), and are more likely to mostly watch movies and other content that's not a high risk for burn in. So AVS is not really a good representation of the general consumer market. General consumers are more likely to use their OLEDs for everything, including risky news channels, and at default (relatively high) OLED light settings.



Wasn't specifically referring to you. The people repetitively posting that the issue is "overblown" and "rare" know who they are. Honestly, those types of generalized comments aren't very helpful. Everyone's use case is unique, so just because it won't happen to most, doesn't mean it won't happen to you. More useful is posting, as detailed as possible, all the various types of content you watch, how many total hours of each you've watched and total hours on the TV, and at what OLED light and other settings, as those are the primary factors that contribute to BI. In simple terms, we already have enough data with posts on AVS and Rtings data to know what causes BI and roughly how soon before it occurs. I don't think it has much to do with luck, but mostly to do with the factors I mentioned.


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It means...if you got BI you are guilty of not following their instructions and it's your fault. Does not matter if you watched CNN 5 minutes a day for only 5 days and bang. Your fault. Got proof you didn't watch it more?

I'm sure that's the position the OLED mfrs would like to take, but consumer can also take the position that mfr didn't specify how long is too long, so their instructions to avoid damage were insufficient.


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Very true. And that flexibility can be bad for the consumer sometimes . . . but other times it might be good for the consumer.
Exactly!
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@smitty You made some posts earlier in this thread, stating something to the effect that 5 hours of CNN per day when that is all the TV displays has a different effect on burn-in than at TV that displays 5 hours of CNN per day and 5 hours of random content per day, even after the total hours of CNN in both cases is the same. I believe that theory is correct. I believe the ratio of static content (like a CNN logo) to random content, does indeed have an effect on how visible or intense the burn-in becomes, not just the total number of hours that the static content is displayed on the TV.

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@smitty You made some posts earlier in this thread, stating something to the effect that 5 hours of CNN per day when that is all the TV displays has a different effect on burn-in than at TV that displays 5 hours of CNN per day and 5 hours of random content per day, even after the total hours of CNN in both cases is the same. I believe that theory is correct. I believe the ratio of static content (like a CNN logo) to random content, does indeed have an effect on how visible or intense the burn-in becomes, not just the total number of hours that the static content is displayed on the TV.
I think someone, perhaps it was Kenbar or someone else, suggested that it might make a difference for image retention, but not for burn-in, which is apparently a different phenomenon, and which is supposedly cumulative. I don't really know the answer.
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I think someone, perhaps it was Kenbar or someone else, suggested that it might make a difference for image retention, but not for burn-in, which is apparently a different phenomenon, and which is supposedly cumulative. I don't really know the answer.
Yes, the predominant theory is that only cumulative hours of static elements matter when it comes to burn in. I tend to think that's the biggest factor but not the only one. Let's assume "random" content ages pixels at a rate of 1x, although there's really no such thing as truly random wear rate, but let's assume. Let's also assume that the CNN logo's static red pixels age faster at at a rate of 5x that of random content pixels. Let's now look at 2 identical model OLED TVs, with identical settings. TV#1 displayed CNN for a total cumulative 5000 hours (5 hours a day), and that's all it ever displayed. TV#2 displayed CNN for 5000 hours, but also displayed other random content for an additional 5000 hours (5 hours a day CNN plus 5 hours a day random), for a total of 10,000 hours. Let's call the CNN logo area of the screen "area A" and the rest of the screen always displaying random content as "area B." Burn-in intensity (how light or dark the BI appears relative to its surroundings) can be defined as the ratio of wear between area A (CNN logo area) and area B (rest of the screen).







TV#1 (CNN Only)



Area A (CNN logo area) Wear = 5000 hours x 5 wear factor = 25,000 wear units

Area B (Rest of screen/random content) Wear = 5000 hours x 1 wear factor = 5000 wear units

Ratio is 25,000 / 5000 or simply 5. Put another way, the burn-in on this TV should appear 5x darker than the surrounding area. Again, not actually, just for illustrative purposes.



TV#2 (CNN 50% of the time)


Area A (CNN logo area) Wear = 5000 hours @ 5x wear rate PLUS 5000 hours @ 1x wear rate (when showing random content) = 30,000 wear units

Area B (Rest of screen/always random) Wear = 10,000 hours @ 1x wear rate = 10,000 wear units

Ratio of A to B is 30,000 / 10,000 or simply 3. On this TV, the burn-in of the CNN logo is only 3x darker than the surrounding area.


Conclusion (of the theory; not proven): Even though both TVs displayed CNN for the same identical cumulative number of hours, the TV where random content was played in addition to CNN content, may show the burn in as less sever (lighter) or may take longer for the burn-in to appear. In other words, no matter what or how much content with static elements you watch, the more random content you watch, the longer it will take for burn-in to appear, the longer it will take for it to progressive in severity. Also, once an OLED TV already suffers burn-in, the more random content you watch afterwards, the lighter and less noticeable it should become.



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Thank you for saving me a year of complaints and calls. LG called my today right after the holidays and provided a replacement 65EF9500 panel. It's not ideal for me. I would prefer a cash credit for a QLED. But it's the best option available. I just hope it's not a panel that previously had vignetting and banding. My original panel was good for the generation except for white uniformity issues.

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^- Well, now. This is interesting. I wonder if this is a legit LG representative, and I wonder if they plan on sticking around to participate in community discussion. It would be nice to have a bit of "inside perspective" on some of the usual Goes Nowhere Does Nothing discussion around these parts.

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Dreaded Burn-in from YouTube buttons

In April 2017, I paid $4,497.00 for a 65" LG OLED65C7P-U. The LG dealer included a 5% Rewards credit ($225 value), which I redeemed for a $299.00 LG UP970 UHD Blu-Ray Player after paying an additional $74.00, so I guess I could say the TV really only cost me $4,346.00. Knowing the TV would eventually cost less if I waited a year or so, I thought I was buying the best TV tech available and decided to jump in. As a movie buff, I expected this to be an amazing TV for many, many years of enjoyment.

I was cognizant from day one to be careful about burn-in. I do not play games on it, mostly watch movies and TV. I heard about avoiding CNN static banners. As I no longer have cable, not a problem. I added the YouTube app from the LG Content Store and have used that. Recently, while checking calibration screens that include 100% saturation slides of red, blue, green, and composites like magenta, cyan, etc., I noticed two dark rectangles in the lower right of the screen, mostly visible on red and magenta and a little bit on yellow. These small rectangles line up exactly where the LG Content Store YouTube app places it's bright "Delete" and "Search" buttons. I am shocked that an approved LG app was capable of doing this. Since then, I saw a YouTube video from another LG OLED owner that had this exact thing happen to their screen from those YouTube app buttons.

This is not image retention. It does not go away. I have always had Screen Shift "On", and well as the Pixel Refresher. I have also run the Pixel Refresher manually to no avail. I finally emailed LG recently and they asked me to leave the TV on Live TV and let the snowy screen run for an hour and a half. They said this will "refresh" and "rearrange" the pixels. I did. No difference to the burned-in YouTube buttons. I checked the YouTube app yesterday and lo and behold they have placed a lowe luminance oval beneath the buttons and the text, perhaps to reduce the likelihood of burn-in.

I wrote LG back yesterday to say it did not resolve the issue and provided the requested model and purchase information. And OLED Specialist will get back to me. I have heard that some people have recently been lucky to get a new screen and that others have not. I didn't get a warranty because burn-in is explicitly not covered under warranties and I felt that the build quality was not an issue. Indeed, most TV makers do not provide any guarantee against burn-in. What bothers me is I was careful what I did with the TV and had no idea that I was at risk from the LG Content Store YouTube app.

There are now many more reports of OLED TV owners experiencing cumulative burn-in issues, as this sort of thing appears to happen after many hours of use. Clearly, OLED tech, especially the red pixels, are susceptible to burn-in. You don't necessarily have to watch CNN a lot to cause it. Apparently, even the YouTube app buttons can do this. I feel sick about it. I saved up for a long time to buy the TV and am not rich. If it continues to degrade like this, then this will be one of the worse purchase decisions I eve made. I do like the perfect blacks but now see that OLED is far more susceptible to burn-in than we have been led to believe. I have been careful with content. But I had absolutely no idea I was damaging and burning the red pixels from YouTube buttons. If it's potentially this dangerous to use repeatedly, what is the app doing in the LG Content Store?

I'll keep you posted if I am lucky and LG should decide to replace the screen. I have had difficulty getting my phone camera to reveal the darker red pixel burn-in that my eyes sees. It might be either the luminance or the camera's sensitivity to that red; not sure. Her's what I sent LG:
Got a call from LG VIP Service today - they are sending someone to replace my C7 panel that developed burn-in from those YouTube buttons! I am amazed and thankful. I noticed that recently the YouTube app for WebOS now places a darkened oval around the vicinity of those buttons. Must have received a lot of complaints. Thank you, LG! I really appreciate this!
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Just received a XBR-65A9F and had some problems with my Oled65g6p with burn in. So I’ve changed the game picture mode to color 0 and reduced brightness to 25 when watching msnbc to keep the peacock from burning the red yellow and orange colors into the screen. Now the peacock is there but in shades of white and grey. Is there any danger of those colors causing burn-in?


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Just received a XBR-65A9F and had some problems with my Oled65g6p with burn in. So I’ve changed the game picture mode to color 0 and reduced brightness to 25 when watching msnbc to keep the peacock from burning the red yellow and orange colors into the screen. Now the peacock is there but in shades of white and grey. Is there any danger of those colors causing burn-in?


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Any danger? Yes, but it would take a very long time. My source? https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/perm...rn-in-lcd-oled


As you can see by the slides, the white R eventually burned in, but it took much longer than the other colors.


Another option you have, leave the colors and OLED light alone, and instead go to Settings / Aspect Ratio / All-direction Zoom. Use the diagonal arrow to zoom the picture to full, and then use the directional arrows to move the picture down so that the peacock logo and everything through "breaking news" and other static elements are no longer visible on screen. Once you do this once, it will remember your zoom settings and you can quickly switch aspect ratios in the quick setting menu. This is how we watch news channels now on the OLED, with picture zoomed and since it's news a cropped picture doesn't matter much.

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Does anyone know the aging equivalent of a pixel refresh on an LG oled? I’ve submitted mine for burn in and they are going to do five pixel refreshers on it before they give me the OK for a new panel. I’m really hoping it doesn’t clear the burning as I will get a panel back that will be more aged after five pixel refreshes


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Any danger? Yes, but it would take a very long time. My source? https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/perm...rn-in-lcd-oled


As you can see by the slides, the white R eventually burned in, but it took much longer than the other colors.


Another option you have, leave the colors and OLED light alone, and instead go to Settings / Aspect Ratio / All-direction Zoom. Use the diagonal arrow to zoom the picture to full, and then use the directional arrows to move the picture down so that the peacock logo and everything through "breaking news" and other static elements are no longer visible on screen. Once you do this once, it will remember your zoom settings and you can quickly switch aspect ratios in the quick setting menu. This is how we watch news channels now on the OLED, with picture zoomed and since it's news a cropped picture doesn't matter much.


Unfortunately the Sony doesn’t have that option, only presets: wide, normal, full, zoom. Zoom cuts off most red blocks. Between toggling the menu on and off should be able to very content enough with zoom to keep burn in to a low. Thanks


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Unfortunately the Sony doesn’t have that option, only presets: wide, normal, full, zoom. Zoom cuts off most red blocks. Between toggling the menu on and off should be able to very content enough with zoom to keep burn in to a low. Thanks


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So the Sony replaced the LG or you still have both?


Yes I replaced the Oled65g6p it’s my brother’s now, with a XBR-65A9F


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Can anyone tell me what is the process right now to get LG OLED panel replaced (purchase less than a year ago, still under warranty)?

I called LG they asked for some pictures, promised to call me back the same day never did.

I called back the next day they gave me the new ticket number and the phone number to local tech.

I called tech. Tech said everything I've done so far was a waste of time and old information LG collected goes nowhere. He said he needs to initiate the process.
I provided him with all the paperwork he asked.

Should I give it some time or should I be proactive?

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Can anyone tell me what is the process right now to get LG OLED panel replaced (purchase less than a year ago, still under warranty)?

I called LG they asked for some pictures, promised to call me back the same day never did.

I called back the next day they gave me the new ticket number and the phone number to local tech.

I called tech. Tech said everything I've done so far was a waste of time and old information LG collected goes nowhere. He said he needs to initiate the process.
I provided him with all the paperwork he asked.

Should I give it some time or should I be proactive?

Thank you

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It's a total pain in the @$$, but you should always be proactive. It's the guys that are n̶o̶i̶s̶y̶ insistent that 1. get moved to the top of the pile, and 2. get forwarded up a floor.

I honestly don't know how true it is, but it was always common knowledge IME that most companies have a filtering policy. If you stall (or deny) a claim, a large percentage will just go away. Those that are persistent are accepted as truly having an annoying problem (and potentially posting about their troubles) and are dealt with positive results.

Thus far though, I have to hand it to LG. There do seem to be a lot of success stories regarding their willingness to help.
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It's a total pain in the @$$, but you should always be proactive. It's the guys that are n̶o̶i̶s̶y̶ insistent that 1. get moved to the top of the pile, and 2. get forwarded up a floor.

I honestly don't know how true it is, but it was always common knowledge IME that most companies have a filtering policy. If you stall (or deny) a claim, a large percentage will just go away. Those that are persistent are accepted as truly having an annoying problem (and potentially posting about their troubles) and are dealt with positive results.

Thus far though, I have to hand it to LG. There do seem to be a lot of success stories regarding their willingness to help.
It seems like it's a different process for everybody or the Tech lied to me.

But still I would like to know how many days people waited until they got a call and whether anyone went through the same process were pictures and other stuff had to be sent to LG and then to tech because "sending to lg was a waste of time"

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It seems like it's a different process for everybody or the Tech lied to me.

But still I would like to know how many days people waited until they got a call and whether anyone went through the same process were pictures and other stuff had to be sent to LG and then to tech because "sending to lg was a waste of time"
I went to LG's website and opened a ticket about my burn-in on 12/24/18. I received an email reply 12/24/18 thanking me and asking for a specific list of information, including any pictures I had taken of the burn-in (even though I had included pics earlier when opening the ticket). Also in that email, they suggested trying to tune Live TV to an unused channel and leave random video snow on the screen for at least 1.5 hours to help reset the pixels. I tried that but the damage was permanent. I received an email from LG on 12/25/18 acknowledging my getting back to them with the requested information, and they said it would be 4 business days before an OLED Specialist would call me about the issue. I was surprised to get their call on 1/17/19, so patience did work for me, rather than bugging them repeatedly. When they called, I again reported that I had tried the video snow technique and it did not fix the burn-in. He said that as a one-time courtesy they would replace the screen. Much welcomed news, especially being out-of-warranty period. I was told a service center would be contacting me in 1-2 days. I received that call today, 1/22/19. They ordered a screen and will call me back to schedule installation when it arrives. So it looks like it will be about one month from report to replacement and without hassling them like a squeaky wheel. I will hazard a guess and say perhaps they are willing to do this because I reported a valid problem with the YouTube app from the LG Content Store, and the app has since been revamped with dark ovals near the buttons in question that burn-in, as well as placing lighter placeholders where the video thumbnails and text loads. I figure I am not the only one that this has been happening to. As I originally reported to LG, I was very mindful and avoided situations of potential burn-in. But their YouTube app button burn-in really surprised me, as I had no idea this could potentially happen.

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I went to LG's website and opened a ticket about my burn-in on 12/24/18. I received an email reply 12/24/18 thanking me and asking for a specific list of information, including any pictures I had taken of the burn-in (even though I had included pics earlier when opening the ticket). Also in that email, they suggested trying to tune Live TV to an unused channel and leave random video snow on the screen for at least 1.5 hours to help reset the pixels. I tried that but the damage was permanent. I received an email from LG on 12/25/18 acknowledging my getting back to them with the requested information, and they said it would be 4 business days before an OLED Specialist would call me about the issue. I was surprised to get their call on 1/17/19, so patience did work for me, rather than bugging them repeatedly. When they called, I again reported that I had tried the video snow technique and it did not fix the burn-in. He said that as a one-time courtesy they would replace the screen. Much welcomed news, especially being out-of-warranty period. I was told a service center would be contacting me in 1-2 days. I received that call today, 1/22/19. They ordered a screen and will call me back to schedule installation when it arrives. So it looks like it will be about one month from report to replacement and without hassling them like a squeaky wheel. I will hazard a guess and say perhaps they are willing to do this because I reported a valid problem with the YouTube app from the LG Content Store, and the app has since been revamped with dark ovals near the buttons in question that burn-in, as well as placing lighter placeholders where the video thumbnails and text loads. I figure I am not the only one that this has been happening to. As I originally reported to LG, I was very mindful and avoided situations of potential burn-in. But their YouTube app button burn-in really surprised me, as I had no idea this could potentially happen.
Thanks for the reply. The second time I called they gave me a phone number for the local tech. So I guess it's different for everybody.

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I went to LG's website and opened a ticket about my burn-in on 12/24/18. I received an email reply 12/24/18 thanking me and asking for a specific list of information, including any pictures I had taken of the burn-in (even though I had included pics earlier when opening the ticket). Also in that email, they suggested trying to tune Live TV to an unused channel and leave random video snow on the screen for at least 1.5 hours to help reset the pixels. I tried that but the damage was permanent. I received an email from LG on 12/25/18 acknowledging my getting back to them with the requested information, and they said it would be 4 business days before an OLED Specialist would call me about the issue. I was surprised to get their call on 1/17/19, so patience did work for me, rather than bugging them repeatedly. When they called, I again reported that I had tried the video snow technique and it did not fix the burn-in. He said that as a one-time courtesy they would replace the screen. Much welcomed news, especially being out-of-warranty period. I was told a service center would be contacting me in 1-2 days. I received that call today, 1/22/19. They ordered a screen and will call me back to schedule installation when it arrives. So it looks like it will be about one month from report to replacement and without hassling them like a squeaky wheel. I will hazard a guess and say perhaps they are willing to do this because I reported a valid problem with the YouTube app from the LG Content Store, and the app has since been revamped with dark ovals near the buttons in question that burn-in, as well as placing lighter placeholders where the video thumbnails and text loads. I figure I am not the only one that this has been happening to. As I originally reported to LG, I was very mindful and avoided situations of potential burn-in. But their YouTube app button burn-in really surprised me, as I had no idea this could potentially happen.
Yikes, how much time was the YouTube app actually on? This burn in talk is making me very nervous of buying a set. My kid plays fortnite and call of duty every day.
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Yikes, how much time was the YouTube app actually on? This burn in talk is making me very nervous of buying a set. My kid plays fortnite and call of duty every day.
I don't have much experience with oled even though i have one but if you're paying full price I would seriously consider lcd.

also from my little experience it seems like Samsung is better at upscaling lower resolutions as well as movies from YouTube and Netflix. someone please let me know if I'm wrong on this one.

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I would suggest Sony’s XBR-65Z9F or the 77Z9G or wait for the new one that should be out this year ZG9!
Or you could setup a imput with reduced color and brightness for playing games

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Thanks. I’m OLED or I’m not bothering. I have a 3 year old JS9500 full fald that is still excellent. I don’t think the Sony led moves the needle enough for me. Good idea on the inputs. Really irritating that a 2k tv still burns in in 2019.
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Thanks. I’m OLED or I’m not bothering. I have a 3 year old JS9500 full fald that is still excellent. I don’t think the Sony led moves the needle enough for me. Good idea on the inputs. Really irritating that a 2k tv still burns in in 2019.
The more I read about the state of burn in the more I am turned off. I would like a tv to last more than 5 years and I really don’t like having to babysit my usage habits. Seems like there are real downsides and burn in risk is real and frankly inevitable. Sucks. I was psyched for an OLED. Maybe best to wait for micro led next year. Ugh.
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The more I read about the state of burn in the more I am turned off. I would like a tv to last more than 5 years and I really don’t like having to babysit my usage habits.
LG replaced my panel and I'm constantly worrying about it every hour or so and I'm always playing with the zoom, screen size and picture settings. It's not the experience you want.

I also have various black banding and a white band. It's not as bad as most posted here but it's a constant distraction. You can say LCD isn't as black but in both cases it's a distraction so you can't say OLED is better. I've seen Samsung's QLED and it looks just as black but without any banding and vignetting. If it's next to an OLED you could probably tell the difference but nobody does that in real life. Then they say LCD has a halo effect but so does OLED because the white reflects off the glass.
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Why is it "QLED" when a user expresses interest in a display outside of OLED tech due to OLED's inherent faults as if there are no other options? That's rhetorical. Samsung's marketing team are geniuses of manipulation.
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