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I haven't been keeping up on this thread, but I see it's very long and ongoing. I happened to look over at the rtings website today to see their OLED burn-in tests. Things look pretty bad, TBH. CNN seems to be the worst, but fortunately for me, I don't watch that. I know the rtings tests are more of a worst-case scenario, but it seems things add up over time. I wonder if we'll all have these problems in the long run?


I own a 65" C6, and fortunately, I haven't noticed any issues with normal content. I haven't looked at any test slides lately, and I'm kind of afraid to at this point. Still relatively low hours on the panel, so maybe I'm OK. This kind of stuff is disappointing to read about. I remember when these TVs first came out, lots of people on the forums said burn-in wouldn't be an issue I wonder if this will always be a thing with OLEDs. Aside from that, the near-blacks can look like a real mess sometimes. I love the perfect blacks, but not sure it's worth all the other headaches.
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As someone who does watch CNN - the latest news from the test on Rtings is quite disappointing...

Especially since they say it is a cumulative amount and not just the long periods that matter.

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I don't watch television at all. OLED is needed only for movie watching for me.
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^Congrats, you are poisoning your mind much less (I also still enjoy filmic viewing, but at least we're doing it for guilty pleasure/escapism ).
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That sucks. I’m still waiting to find out. Why would they sell it with burn in? Was it badly burned in on a large area?
Because he can. The ad stated small burn in with 90 day warranty. It was sold.
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Managed to wake up early enough to see the culprit and snapped a shot. Seems like this is all it takes... A nice strong beam of sun through the blinds...

Y'know, out of context I could state that this looks like it would have been a pretty spectacular HDR image being displayed rather than the queen mother of all reflections.
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Got a call from LG VIP Service today - they are sending someone to replace my C7 panel that developed burn-in from those YouTube buttons! I am amazed and thankful. I noticed that recently the YouTube app for WebOS now places a darkened oval around the vicinity of those buttons. Must have received a lot of complaints. Thank you, LG! I really appreciate this!
Follow Up: The replacement LG 65" OLED panel finally arrived at the service company and they installed last Thursday. Basically, the process was to remove the back cover from my old C7, unscrew the electronics, and attach them to the new panel. I assisted in lifting and being an extra pair of hands. Pretty neat compared to the ancient days of electron tube TVs. Because the electronics were transferred, my former settings were retained. After he left, I watched various grayscale slides and felt it was on par with the uniformity I had. Not perfect but quite acceptable, considering the variables during the deposition process (I'm a former ion beam thin film vacuum deposition technician, so I can appreciate). Quite happy with no longer seeing those YouTube button burn-ins. One plus, if my eyes can be believed: it looked to me that the near-black "crush" I use to struggle with is not an issue. I'm wondering if this is something possible in the manufacturing process? As I mentioned, my settings are the same. I still enjoy perfect blacks, but my C7 seems to do a better job near black. It just seems I can see more, i.e. no crushed blacks. I figured this would be something the newer electronics, along with calibration, would address. But since I don't have C8 or C9 electronics, and the settings are the same, it was a pleasant surprise. Pretty sure it's real, but I'll keep looking further in case I'm just mistaken. Anyway, a big thanks to LG for this one-time courtesy fix. I had been very careful with the TV and was surprised the LG YouTube app buttons were capable of this. They since have change those buttons by adding a dark oval surrounding them. Should be good to go moving forward with no games, no extended CNN, no static content. I want this to last considering the premium price I pad as an early adopter. I think I'll be just fine now, knowing what I know. Thanks again, LG! Really appreciate this!
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Thanks again, LG! Really appreciate this!
They have been excellent but it's still no excuse for continuing to print misleading claims.
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They have been excellent but it's still no excuse for continuing to print misleading claims.
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You're always looking to start fights in every thread.
I have noticed it too with the belittling rolleyes.
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You're always looking to start fights in every thread.
What the heck are you talking about?! wendylou posted how she had a problem and LG took care of it and she appreciated it, and hqbert, as he always does, can't just leave it at that. He has to jump in and make sure he continues his diatribe and agenda against LG.

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What the heck are you talking about?! wendylou posted how she had a problem and LG took care of it and she appreciated it, and hqbert, as he always does, can't just leave it at that. He has to jump in and make sure he continues his diatribe and agenda against LG.
Sounds like you're doing the same and can't give up also but you do it in every thread to others. Doesn't he have rights to express his damage and how is watching TV is a misuse? Didn't he give LG credit at various times?
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Sounds like you're doing the same and can't give up also but you do it in every thread to others.
I seriously don't know what you're talking about. I think you have me confused with someone else.

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Doesn't he have rights to express his damage and how is watching TV is a misuse?
Absolutely. He had a bad experience, and his experience is informative, as are all good and bad experiences with a product. But at some point, even if you have a bad experience, you let it go and you move on.

And perhaps we should move on.

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Well guys,

My 1st 65B7A panel got replace because of burn in about a week ago. The new panel has very bad 5%,10% vertical banding as you can see in the pictures. Now they are coming back out to replace panel again. I will keep you guys posted.
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They have been excellent but it's still no excuse for continuing to print misleading claims.
Ah, but removing it would be harmful to those who used it as a guide when making their purchase. Right now folks can point to it when they get burn in and say "here is why I decided to buy an Oled, your BI assurances". If they remove it folks are left without proof.

And keep in mind the newer 2018 models all come with warnings about BI in the owners manuals, so they are fairly warned. Whether they chose to accept the advise and act upon it...is on the buyer now. I expect the 2019 models to have the same advise...

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Managed to wake up early enough to see the culprit and snapped a shot. Seems like this is all it takes... A nice strong beam of sun through the blinds...

Nice pic... that's exactly why the very next day after purchasing my OLED I bought blackout curtains.


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I don't watch television at all. OLED is needed only for movie watching for me.

Same. A tiny amount of my viewing is cable television... like 1 show. (Air Disasters) If I want to watch YouTube... I have a PC and iDevices for that. No real desire to use the TV for it.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised that after 2300 hours my panel is still flawless. I mean, is it possible to get BI from full and widescreen movies? LOL... and hopefully nobody will chime in with "but ZOMG you can get pixel wear from the black bars!" Yeah right... the TV will be long upgraded before that ever happens or is even noticeable.

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Ah, but removing it would be harmful to those who used it as a guide when making their purchase. Right now folks can point to it when they get burn in and say "here is why I decided to buy an Oled, your BI assurances". If they remove it folks are left without proof.

And keep in mind the newer 2018 models all come with warnings about BI in the owners manuals, so they are fairly warned. Whether they chose to accept the advise and act upon it...is on the buyer now. I expect the 2019 models to have the same advise...
Yes, since the expanded warning in the owner's manual did not impact sales one iota I think we can safely assume that LG is going to stick with the new language...
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My 1st 65B7A panel got replace because of burn in about a week ago. The new panel has very bad 5%,10% vertical banding as you can see in the pictures. Now they are coming back out to replace panel again. I will keep you guys posted.
That last pic looks like you have the rectangle lookup table flaw too. Or is that just IR?

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It’s not IR, I saw that rectangle shape the first night they installed it. I believe LG is replacing panels free of charge with this type of panels. If I see the new panel having this again I’m going to want a full refund from BB.
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Same. A tiny amount of my viewing is cable television... like 1 show. (Air Disasters) If I want to watch YouTube... I have a PC and iDevices for that. No real desire to use the TV for it.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised that after 2300 hours my panel is still flawless. I mean, is it possible to get BI from full and widescreen movies? LOL... and hopefully nobody will chime in with "but ZOMG you can get pixel wear from the black bars!" Yeah right... the TV will be long upgraded before that ever happens or is even noticeable.
There are some great Youtube 4K and HDR channels that look incredible on OLED TVs. Demo-worthy even.
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Plasma v OLED For Burn In

I own 3 plasmas and have never noticed burn in on any of them and we just use them as we would any tv. Early on I was somewhat cautious and ran the white scroll bar periodically on the main viewing tv. If it’s been left on all night with a static image I sometimes still run the scroll bar to eliminate IR. And the tv is set to standard picture mode which is brighter than cinema. This probably reduced the life of the tv which is kind of dull now and why I’m looking to replace it. But again, no burn in.

Are OLEDs more susceptible than plasma to burn in, less so, or roughly the same?
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Definitely less.

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The caveat is OLEDs get significantly brighter than plasma and so the damage potential increases with static imagery.
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I’ve owned both with the same viewing habits
Plasma is more prone to burn in
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Hi all. Wanted to give a Tip for anyone that has recently bought a OLED TV (including me).

I actually read all the fine print on the warranty. It clearly states that it does not cover "Image Burn-in".

But there is a solution! To better protect you in case burn-in does happen. Opt-out of the arbitration agreement within 30 days of your purchase via email!

Then if anything goes wrong with a warranty claim when you call LG service. Like for example they won't fix your TV if you have burn-in. Heck even if it is outside of warranty, it doesn't matter. Then you can simply take them to your local small claims court. Winning in small claims court is very easy, especially against huge companies like LG because it requires a person from LG to fly all the way to your local court house to appear. Which they will not do because they don't have the time. You win by default if no one shows up from the defending company.
More likely, even before your scheduled court date, LG will most likely contact you to try and settle. Either by replacement or settlement check.

I'm speaking from experience here I had a previous situation with Samsung's warranty for my Galaxy phone and it saved my butt! I opted out of the abitration within 30 days of purchase. About 6 months into ownership the screen started having burn-in. They refused to replace my phone I was able to get them to pay me back the whole price of my malfunctioning device by filing with my local small claims court. Filing small claims court costs about $35 and all you have to do is fill out a paper and mail the summons to the defendant (the company).

So in Summary: Even if you don't think your new OLED will have any problems. Be smart! Opt out of arbitration within 30 days of your purchase so you have a backup plan if things go bad!

Here is the fine print from LG's warranty with directions on how to opt-out. Opting out does NOT affect the Warranty.

"Opt Out. You may opt out of this dispute resolution procedure. If you opt out, neither you nor LG can require the other to participate in an arbitration proceeding. To opt out, you must send notice to LG no later than 30 calendar days from the date of the first consumer purchaser’s purchase of the product by either: (i) sending an e-mail to [email protected], with the subject line: “Arbitration Opt Out” or (ii) calling 1-800-980-2973. You must include in the opt out e-mail or provide by telephone: (a) your name and address; (b) the date on which the product was purchased; (c) the product model name or model number; and (d) the serial number (the serial number can be found (i) on the product."

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A plasma generate a lot more heat than Oled. If you run a plasma to Oled brightness it will burn quick.
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Lots of interesting answers but I still fail to see the overall picture (pun not intended).


OLED and plasma are radically different technologies, unless I'm seriously mistaken. Consequently, observing that OLED produces a much higher light output than plasma does not reflect automatically on its chance to develop burn in.

Plasma generates more heat and if driven to OLED brighness would burn quickly. True. But again, does this answer the question the OP poses?

I remember, at the beginning of OLED at "consumer prices", burn in was considered basically a "non problem". Did it mean that it was not a serious problem at SDR light emission levels?

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I'm not sure that the variability of the BI risk based on brightness capability matters in a practical sense. Plasmas also had thicker cabinets and some even used active fans to dissipate heat. OLED TVs are decidedly thinner with only passive cooling employed, get significantly brighter, and thus can also generate damaging heat. At the "beginning of OLED" (OK, maybe not at consumer prices, though that is a relative statement/moving target), HDR wasn't as prevalent as it is now. That (plus 3D usage and daytime viewing with a preponderance of windows) is the new frontier that has me proceeding with more caution, especially since the household requires subtitle usage, and the 2016 sets remain irreplaceable.
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