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paully65us 04-03-2017 12:15 PM

Master OLED image retention/ burn-in thread:with photos
 
I have heard some OLED TV owners complain of screen burn after only 5 minutes of a static image being on screen. Is this true?

JJxiv1215 04-03-2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by paully65us (Post 51982377)
I have heard some OLED TV owners complain of screen burn after only 5 minutes of a static image being on screen. Is this true?

I watched the entire Super Bowl on my old B6, which has the static scoreboard, without even the slightest hint of visible image retention after the game.

I also played some Destiny on it without any visible IR of the HUD afterwards.

I had no issues with IR on my OLED.

paully65us 04-03-2017 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JJxiv1215 (Post 51982489)
I watched the entire Super Bowl on my old B6, which has the static scoreboard, without even the slightest hint of visible image retention after the game.

I also played some Destiny on it without any visible IR of the HUD afterwards.

I had no issues with IR on my OLED.

That is good to know. I was thinking of getting a C6 and I saw some pictures of some burned static images. When I looked at professional reviews, they did not mention anything about screen burn.

kohe321 04-03-2017 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by paully65us (Post 51982729)
That is good to know. I was thinking of getting a C6 and I saw some pictures of some burned static images. When I looked at professional reviews, they did not mention anything about screen burn.

This seems to have become a complete non-issue with normal use of the TV, and is nothing to worry about.

JNayAV 04-03-2017 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by paully65us (Post 51982729)
That is good to know. I was thinking of getting a C6 and I saw some pictures of some burned static images. When I looked at professional reviews, they did not mention anything about screen burn.


Can't say it would never happen, but seems very unlikely. Make sure let the TV do it's clear screen automatically on occasion, and shouldn't expect to have issues.


You may get IR from time to time, but I've never found it distracting.
I'm coming from a Panasonic ST60, which people often said those plasmas had 'fixed' IR problems. I find the OLED to be significantly better in regards to IR.

chunon 04-03-2017 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by paully65us (Post 51982729)
That is good to know. I was thinking of getting a C6 and I saw some pictures of some burned static images. When I looked at professional reviews, they did not mention anything about screen burn.


Some store units get burn in but that is not a normal usage scenario. I only know of a couple other instances of persistent Ir. it is not impossible but extremely rare given the automatic compensation cycles.



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Beckpatch 04-03-2017 01:10 PM

So there's no action required to activate automatic compensation cycles? Just happens after every 4 hours of watching cumulatively? I've never noticed them. Is there a way to tell if they've been done?

chunon 04-03-2017 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Beckpatch (Post 51983897)
So there's no action required to activate automatic compensation cycles? Just happens after every 4 hours of watching cumulatively? I've never noticed them. Is there a way to tell if they've been done?



Right as long as you turn the tv off normally they run for 7 minutes or so. you can see screed light on thru the vents while the comp cycle runs.


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Beckpatch 04-03-2017 01:15 PM

Thanks

Quebecker 04-03-2017 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by paully65us (Post 51982377)
I have heard some OLED TV owners complain of screen burn after only 5 minutes of a static image being on screen. Is this true?

I have heard the moon is made out of cheese,

Is it true?


Anyway, don't confuse Burn in and Image retention. The first one is permanent, the second go away after a couple of hours. I never saw any proof of true burn in on oled.

RoadLizard 04-04-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kohe321 (Post 51982945)
This seems to have become a complete non-issue with normal use of the TV, and is nothing to worry about.

It certainly is a non-issue. Just an early FUD thing spread by fans of *other* technologies. The usual. ;)

JNayAV 04-04-2017 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RoadLizard (Post 51999945)
It certainly is a non-issue. Just an early FUD thing spread by fans of *other* technologies. The usual. ;)



And perpetuated by certain competitors that market their TVs as 'Burn-In free', in the hopes of staying relevant in the high end space....

bpmurr 04-04-2017 07:08 AM

A complete non-issue unless you run in store mode with the same image on it 24/7. There might be some slight IR after watching something that's static for a while, but it goes away after a couple minutes at most. I've done a lot of gaming with static images on my 65B6P and IR hasn't been an issue so burn in shouldn't be a problem for people.

CoffeeHawk 04-04-2017 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by paully65us (Post 51982377)
I have heard some OLED TV owners complain of screen burn after only 5 minutes of a static image being on screen. Is this true?

No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in

popyang45 04-04-2017 09:08 AM

i have oled 9300 with 10,000 hours
the screen is connected to computer Via HDMI

burning was once in my oled and it worked out and disappeared.

the problem of OLED image sharpness is not good, Figures that are in medium or far distance distorted
in light of a bad algorithm

the screen after 5000 hours becomes a bit darker

the big problem after 6000 hours should activate the screen "sharpness "
from 5-10 to 40

Upscale in lg is bad in 1080P AND 4K
especially worse in 4K ( 480P or 720P no so good )

Quebecker 04-04-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by popyang45 (Post 52002817)
i have oled 9300 with 10,000 hours
the screen is connected to computer Via HDMI

burning was once in my oled and it worked out and disappeared.

the problem of OLED image sharpness is not good, Figures that are in medium or far distance distorted
in light of a bad algorithm

the screen after 5000 hours becomes a bit darker

the big problem after 6000 hours should activate the screen "sharpness "
from 5-10 to 40

Upscale in lg is bad in 1080P AND 4K
especially worse in 4K ( 480P or 720P no so good )

Wut?

JNayAV 04-04-2017 09:56 AM

Just going to say, if people are happy with what they own there's no need for needlessly putting down other owners.
Don't think anything else needs to be said.

To the original question about Burn-In, there are plenty of owner's opinion in here that have given opinion that Burn-In isn't an issue. We have one former owner that says they returned for burn-in. We don't know what the useage case of the previous owner was, nor are able to verify if it was a true case of burn in or bad IR.


Goes back to what all current owners are saying, for almost all useage cases you don't need to worry about Burn-In.
There probably isn't much more that needs to be discussed, unless OP comes back and says he wants to use the OLED as a picture display or something.


If you are absolutely Burn-In/IR phobic or something, the Z9 is definitely a comparative set and should be better in the IR department being an LCD. However, cost of entry is ~$1500-2000 more.

teachsac 04-04-2017 01:29 PM

Thread rollback/thread bans issued. If your post was deleted I apologize as it might contain quotes from other deleted posts.

audacious nick 04-04-2017 01:33 PM

I have image retention on my OLED whenever I go into the Amazon Video app.

chunon 04-04-2017 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by audacious nick (Post 52010113)
I have image retention on my OLED whenever I go into the Amazon Video app.


We are talking about burn in which is permanent IR is not.



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audacious nick 04-04-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chunon (Post 52010193)
We are talking about burn in which is permanent IR is not.



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If you read the thread, you'll see both IR and burn-in are being discussed, hence my post on IR. Since the OP is considering a C6, it is pertinent.
Hope this helps you understand.

chunon 04-04-2017 02:16 PM

OLED screen burn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by audacious nick (Post 52011233)
If you read the thread, you'll see both IR and burn-in are being discussed, hence my post on IR. Since the OP is considering a C6, it is pertinent.

Hope this helps you understand.



There's really nothing to understand it is a non-issue


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Michael Vallis 04-17-2017 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kohe321 (Post 51982945)
This seems to have become a complete non-issue with normal use of the TV, and is nothing to worry about.

What is "normal". Mine is 5 months old & has the Sky News info banner burnt into the screen !!
:mad:

mttpalmer 04-17-2017 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Vallis (Post 52299873)
What is "normal". Mine is 5 months old & has the Sky News info banner burnt into the screen !!
:mad:

Pics?

Quebecker 04-17-2017 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Vallis (Post 52299873)
What is "normal". Mine is 5 months old & has the Sky News info banner burnt into the screen !!
:mad:

Video or it didn't happen.

tommyy2 04-17-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Vallis (Post 52299873)
What is "normal". Mine is 5 months old & has the Sky News info banner burnt into the screen !!
:mad:

New guy, one and only post and he's seen something no one else has.


hmmmmmm???

mttpalmer 04-18-2017 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tommyy2 (Post 52305265)
New guy, one and only post and he's seen something no one else has.


hmmmmmm???

Glad people are here to call BS on that stuff. Unfortunately though, I think it still damages the reputation of the technology since this (non)issue keeps popping up again and again in this forum. Now let's get back to arguing about the efficacy of screen shift! :D

PRO-630HD 04-18-2017 10:47 AM

Just because you don't have it doesn't mean it doesn't exist! Image retention and permanent screen burn in are real issues with these displays! Any static images period can burn into these displays and very quickly especially with many of the LG presets and anything in HDR mode. The fact they don't cover screen burn in their warranty is an omission in and of itself that this problem exists. I have seen numerous Oled display models with image retention first hand and also Oled is unique in the fact that IR doesn't necessarily affect a white screen like plasma used to, numerous youtube videos have it is only visible with certain colors being displayed on the screen as in blues, greens or in my case reds (also yellow, brown, orange, fleshtones) as the aspect ratio and sound out icon from their menu system are burned into my 65C6P screen.

LG's customer service thus far has been extremely poor and I am being more than kind in that statement. I will be posting pictures shortly.

Question how do I post pics from my personal computer? The insert image icon is asking for a URL? My photos are not available on a website. There used to be a paperclip icon to attach files from a PC.

PRO-630HD 04-18-2017 11:10 AM

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These are a 2nd set of photos sent to LG after they requested a set. The rep I talked to opened them and stated all she could see was a red screen with the IR from the icons invisible to her. She stated her manager looked at the photos as well and so no IR. I then asked for the name of the manger first and then to speak to the manager. She could neither give me the name of the manager and then changed the story to the fact that the manager never saw the photos. This was the 3rd representative I talked claiming to have no visibility of the beyond distinct menu icons.

Quebecker 04-18-2017 11:16 AM

Wait, so the TV setting icon are burned in the TV?

How long were they displayed good Lord?

I have a video game ui with 1000 hours in and there's not a hint of burn in.

I supposed you did a manual panel noise removal?


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