Originally Posted by venus933
...and I see that rtings.com has a Sony A1E in house for testing so we'll soon see an exponentially better comparison between the C7 and the Sony than the one from ABT.
Sorry Charlie, but rtings simply do not fully know what they are doing. I am sure they are nice guys over there and all, and some of their measurements and patterns are useful and interesting, but they have demonstrated that they do not know how to set up their displays properly, they do not spend nearly enough time with them, but do a quick turn around, and they also think they can tell which is best by simply running a barrage of test patterns on a tv and using some sort of numbers calculation to spit out a conclusion as to which is best. They need to spend more time side by side watching identical content to be taken seriously.
Rtings gave the B6 a 9.1 rating for motion, and the E6 an even higher 9.3 rating, and they gave the B6/E6 the exact same upscaling rating for 480/720/1080/4k as the 930E and the Z9D, which both use the X1 Extreme.
Does this jive with reality? Most everyone who has experienced a Sony with the X1 Extreme raves about how much nicer the processing is on the Sony compared to their LG OLED. Is that reflected anywhere in the Rtings reviews of the 2016 LG OLED? Is the shadow detail and above black handling issues mentioned or reflected in their review? Nope. Nowhere are any above black issues ever mentioned on the 2016 LG OLEDs and Rtings says that the 2017s are hardly any different and not worth buying over the 2016s. I have to conclude that they are just plain oblivious. Vincent Teoh at HDTVtest noticed all these things and is a much better calibrator and much more discerning than the folks over at Rtings.
Seeing how many owners and reviewers absolutely notice the poor processing/upscaling, black crush, noise, etc. and Rtings doesn't seem to have a clue about any of this, I have to conclude that Rtings, nice guys and all, just do not fully know what they are doing just yet.
The 2016 B and E LG OLEDs are given a 9.1 and a 9.3 rating for motion despite the many complaints about skipping/tearing and judder issues and only delivering 300 lines without TruMotion on, which many people turn off, because it introduced so many artifacts.
2016 LG OLED gets a 9 for motion, and the Z9D gets a 6.4? I have to conclude they simply do not know what they are talking about, and do not know how to set up their displays correctly, since owners and reviewers find the motion on the Z9D quite good, and there are hardly any complaints (aside from some occasional smearing, which I have been fully disclosing all over AVS in various threads).
They say they used the custom mode on the Z9D, even though Sony themselves recommends that consumers use Cinema Pro or Cinema Home, since custom mode is set to hard clip and has completely different processing characteristics.
They simply do not know what they are doing,
running contrast at a MAX on the Sony and 100 on the LG OLEDs they review!
"In the 'Motion' tab setting, we left the 'Motionflow' and 'Cinemotion' turned off"
No wonder they gave the Sony such a low motion score. They turned all motion processing off. They simply do not know what they are doing!
Amateur hour over at Rtings. Sorry, I am sure they are pleasant fellows that work hard over there, but come on, I can't take them seriously.
Go over to HDTVtest. Vincent actually knows what he is doing, and they give plenty of settings and measurements to go along with their very discerning pair of eyes.
Those clowns at Sony are so stupid for not sending HDTVtest, one of the very best review sites out there, an A1E to review. They should have taken the one they sent to the thoroughly discredited Torben Rasmussen at FlatpanelsHD, and given it to the much better reviewers over at HDTVtest.