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Sony XBR-65A1E UHD HDR OLED TV Review

I got the chance to spend a couple of hours with the Sony XBR-65A1E UHD HDR OLED TV. Here are my first impressions.

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Great first look, and thanks for posting all that measurement data.

So if I understand correctly, the HDR peak 10% whitepoint of 679nit also corresponded with color measurements which were 5-10% below luminance targets?

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With X-tended Dynamic Range set to High in HDR mode, a 10% window had an average colorimetry deltaE of 5.14 and a maximum deltaE of 10.06. All colors were somewhat deficient in luminance. The Off and Low settings were much worse, but the Medium setting yielded an average deltaE of 5.21 and max deltaE of 7.82, which is a bit better than High, but it reduces the peak luminance too much.
Understanding you only had a few hours with the set, how does the HDR performance compare to the other flagships out there like z9, q9, w7 etc?
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Previous versions of the X1 found in other Sony TVs do not have the required processing power, so those models will not be getting a Dolby Vision firmware update.
I thought the Z9D had the same version of the X1 and was getting DV in a firmware upgrade?
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Good read.



I thought the Z9D had the same version of the X1 and was getting DV in a firmware upgrade?
z9 has the X1 Extreme, along with the A1E and the 940E and 930E TV ( http://www.sony.com/electronics/tv/t...lay=x1-extreme ), all of which will be getting the DV update "this summer"
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Thanks for the info and measurements. Easily the second best display of the year, if you do dark room only and are not into HDR. Sony seems to have improved the LG panel a good amount. Improving motion and near black banding, although there still seems to be a bit of panel lottery going on. Now all they need to do is fix the slant, bump the peak brightness, add HDMI 2.1 and improve the shadow detail and it will be hard to beat. Look forward to your full review.
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Easily the second best display of the year
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Easily the second best display of the year, if you do dark room only and are not into HDR.

So the studios that do all their work on an HDR reference Sony Oled aren't into HDR?


Oled have much more steps of greys and blacks than LCD.


OLED can reproduce over 20 “dynamic stops” compared to 12 for high-end LCDs.

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Regardless of the specs, that the stand is required is a big miss by Sony.


Especially for a flagship product, you need to assume that a significant portion of the buyers will be wall mounting the set, and that extra depth is not pretty. I might still be a buyer, but now I will need to first modify my wall to recess that stand.
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The stand pointing up is ridiculous, acoustic surface is a gimmick (to go the way of 3D), and I laughed out loud at "that is too much color" comment. I am a big Sony fan, always have been, but this one might be a boat anchor.
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the stand pointing up is ridiculous, acoustic surface is a gimmick (to go the way of 3d), and i laughed out loud at "that is too much color" comment. I am a big sony fan, always have been, but this one might be a boat anchor.
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What's really interesting is when I measured the A1E and the LG C7, they both had a peak luminance of 680-700nits with a 10% window. I reduced the window down to 2% and they measured slightly higher but not by much.
Scott, what's the deal here since both manufacturers are advertising 1000 nits? I know they say in Vivid mode and I tired that but the measurements were still in the same ballpark and not anywhere near 1000 nits.
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That stand is literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen put on a TV. How is it possible that someone though that was a good idea? They are gonna loose a bunch of sales, including mine because of that.... idiots.

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That stand is literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen put on a TV. How is it possible that someone though that was a good idea? They are gonna loose a bunch of sales, including mine because of that.... idiots.
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That stand is literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen put on a TV. How is it possible that someone though that was a good idea? They are gonna loose a bunch of sales, including mine because of that.... idiots.
Probably in Japan they sold well. furniture is much lower... seats ,sofas ,TV stands ect .

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That stand is literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen put on a TV. How is it possible that someone though that was a good idea? They are gonna loose a bunch of sales, including mine because of that.... idiots.
I kind of like it. Maybe not as cool as the Samsung 'S9' easel stand from a few years ago, but it looks sturdy, and most owners have been reporting you don't even notice the tilt.

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Regardless of the specs, that the stand is required is a big miss by Sony.


Especially for a flagship product, you need to assume that a significant portion of the buyers will be wall mounting the set, and that extra depth is not pretty. I might still be a buyer, but now I will need to first modify my wall to recess that stand.
Agreed. I'm not wall-mounting myself, but my wife picked our stand a year ago, and it's fairly high. Comparing the B7 to the A1E, the flawed design of the Sony OLED has me questioning it versus LG's far-superior standard stand design. I'm leaning towards the LG personally for that reason. If the A1E had the Z9D's design I would probably not consider the LG but as it is, the tilt really sucks.
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I don't like the stand, I don't like the tilt... BUT, if it's got an amazing picture (which report after report after report are saying), I would just suck it up and wall-mount the darn thing!! PQ is ultimately what matters anyway!

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That stand is literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen put on a TV. How is it possible that someone though that was a good idea? They are gonna loose a bunch of sales, including mine because of that.... idiots.
I do agree about the stand. But I easily used a standard table top stand, and it's fine with no tilt.

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The stand pointing up is ridiculous, acoustic surface is a gimmick (to go the way of 3D), and I laughed out loud at "that is too much color" comment. I am a big Sony fan, always have been, but this one might be a boat anchor.
My thought is, most who fork over $6K for a TV are adding it in a space that has an even more expensive audio system, and would otherwise not use the built-ins. For me, the beautiful uniform bezel around this TV is the most attractive looking TVs I've ever seen. And to be very honest, I was amazed at how good the audio response is.

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I do agree about the stand. But I easily used a standard table top stand, and it's fine with no tilt.
How can you use a table top stand if all of the inputs are located in the base of the stand?
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I don't like the stand, I don't like the tilt... BUT, if it's got an amazing picture (which report after report after report are saying), I would just suck it up and wall-mount the darn thing!! PQ is ultimately what matters anyway!

I agree that PQ is the most important thing, but at that price the whole package needs to be on point. The stand matters, and it sucks.

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Again, good solid review. That being said, nothing in this review and what i saw makes me think that this set is worth $1000 more than the competition.
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All the boxes i've seen pass through the owner's thread already say the stand is not that big of a hindrance (nor is the tilt) . Judging by all these tech and lifestyle and whatnot sites that are getting review models, it's not particularly the AV ethousiast that is the target for Sony with this model. It looks just as good turned off as it does turned on in your modern day living room

As for this hands-on: there seem to be much better calibration results in the relevant A1 topic around here ...
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How can you use a table top stand if all of the inputs are located in the base of the stand?
There is a base extension that actually is a 30lb iron weight, that spaces the connections off the bottom. If you look at the pictures, you'll see the connections are elevated and tighty up quite nicely.
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The stand pointing up is ridiculous, acoustic surface is a gimmick (to go the way of 3D), and I laughed out loud at "that is too much color" comment. I am a big Sony fan, always have been, but this one might be a boat anchor.
You can think the acoustic surface is a gimmick, but those that have the set are not all saying that. I've been asking on various boards if it could be used as a center channel in a surround system. So far I haven't seen a definite answer, but if it could it would be great. It would act as an acoustically transparent screen, with the center channel speaker behind it. That localizes vocals much better, and that alone would make me buy this.
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Your review mentioned optical out only supports 2 channel. On my 55" I'm getting 5.1 passthrough to my Sonos Playbar via optical.
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