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Moving from Pioneer Plasma to 75" TV

Hey all,

I currently have a Pioneer 5020FD, and am looking for something 75".

I use it mainly to watch TV shows off satellite, no sports.

I've been researching for the last week or so... 75" seems to drastically limit my options... but we definitely want one that size.

I've come to the conclusion that to get a picture with the quality (blacks) and the even lighting that I've been used to for the last 9 years from my pioneer... i have to go OLED. Am I crazy?

Before coming to this conclusion... and after much research, I was leaning towards the Vizio P75-C1 (supposed to have good PQ and value), but I just got back from best buy where I saw the P65-C1... the blacks were washed out, and the whites got very grey at any angle... then I looked at the other LED/LCDs and I noticed the issue on all of them. I then thought maybe with the picture I am used to, an LCD/LED won't work for me.

The OLEDs on the other hand, looked amazing, and more like what I'm used to... but the 75" one is ridiculous ($20k).

So my question is (in addition to the one about me being crazy): When do you think a 75" OLED will be available at a reasonable price?

What is a reasonable price you ask... how about <$6k?

Also, I'd like to hear from former Pioneer plasma owners... what did you upgrade to?

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OLED 77" for less than $6,000? It's going to be a long time, or you're going to have to buy a very old model. They're low production, so the prices don't exactly drop very far.
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The 77" can be had for $16k from some reliable authorized resellers (possibly even lower). You just have to pony up, but beware the near black uniformity may not be as crisp as your plasma.
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I think it's going to be a few more years before we start seeing OLEDs that size in a price range under $10K, let alone in the sub-$6K price.

I came from a Pioneer Pro-151 and went to a 65" OLED and am thoroughly satisfied. I've had my TV for nearly 6 months and am still finding myself amazed at the TV's capabilities. It's not perfect, but there are so many things that the OLEDs do even better than the Pioneer plasma.

I also looked extensively at other TVs, like the Vizio P series, Samsung 8-9000 series, Sony's 940 series, Sony's Z9D series, and the only one close to what I was hoping for was the Z9D.

That being said, a 65" Z9D was quite a bit more than the C6P I ended up getting. However, size considered and also wanting the quality you are looking for, the 75" Z9D might be the best bet, but the price is still higher than what you are looking for.
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Here's the kind of uniformity to expect from a 77" if you bravely go down that route (3 samples):
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Thanks all

Sigh..

I think I'll just get whichever 75" set goes on sale next? $10k is still to much for me to swallow for that Sony...

Maybe 75x940d or Vizio p75e1... Anything else comparable in that range? I could also wait until the x940e comes down... That's supposed to be a bigger jump forward?
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Thanks all

Sigh..

I think I'll just get whichever 75" set goes on sale next? $10k is still to much for me to swallow for that Sony...

Maybe 75x940d or Vizio p75e1... Anything else comparable in that range? I could also wait until the x940e comes down... That's supposed to be a bigger jump forward?

You should take a close look at the New Sony 75" X940E. I have had mine for a month and could not be more satisfied. You may find you prefer it to an OLED. It is way brighter and has deep, dark blacks. The FALD and local dimming provide a very high contrast ratio and vivid color. Check out the owner's thread for more info.
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Hey all,

The OLEDs on the other hand, looked amazing, and more like what I'm used to... but the 75" one is ridiculous ($20k).

So my question is (in addition to the one about me being crazy): When do you think a 75" OLED will be available at a reasonable price?

What is a reasonable price you ask... how about <$6k?

Also, I'd like to hear from former Pioneer plasma owners... what did you upgrade to?

Thanks all
The cheapest 77" model currently is last year's 2016 LG G6 model. A little birdie recently told me it can be had for $13K from a well-respected sponsor around these parts.

Still have my Pioneer Kuro, along with larger Panny and Samsung plasmas, and a Sharp Elite LCD (we have two homes). Now waiting for the 77" Sony OLED.

If you can hold out with your 5020 for another year, there's a pretty decent chance that you should be able to get a 2017 77" OLED model for ~$10K on closeout at this same time next year.

I don't think one should realistically expect 77" OLEDs to be priced decently under $10K until 2018 model closeouts.
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Ah, is that the price Cleveland is pushing? I should've waited a few more months.
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Thanks all

Sigh..

I think I'll just get whichever 75" set goes on sale next? $10k is still to much for me to swallow for that Sony...

Maybe 75x940d or Vizio p75e1... Anything else comparable in that range? I could also wait until the x940e comes down... That's supposed to be a bigger jump forward?
I would wait for reviews of the Hisense 75H10D/Sharp 75JS9500 next month. $5K is not bad to pay for the worlds brightest HDR display with OLED level blacks. If you need something now the Sony X940E or last years X940D are solid choices for FALD LCD. If you can fit an 85" there is simply no better size/price/performance value than the UMAX 85" for $5K.
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I would wait for reviews of the Hisense 75H10D/Sharp 75JS9500 next month. $5K is not bad to pay for the worlds brightest HDR display with OLED level blacks. If you need something now the Sony X940E or last years X940D are solid choices for FALD LCD. If you can fit an 85" there is simply no better size/price/performance value than the UMAX 85" for $5K.
Thanks, I've heard of the Hisense but didn't realize it could be a serious contender and out so soon. Is the current hisense 75 uk-only or something? Seems like most reviews I can find are from uk?

Also 85" is too big, won't fit

Edit: Apparently Hisense is Sharp in the us? Did you mean the Sharp MU9600?

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Don't believe everything you read here. Hisense is not a serious contender.
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I would wait for reviews of the Hisense 75H10D/Sharp 75JS9500 next month. $5K is not bad to pay for the worlds brightest HDR display with OLED level blacks. If you need something now the Sony X940E or last years X940D are solid choices for FALD LCD. If you can fit an 85" there is simply no better size/price/performance value than the UMAX 85" for $5K.
Until they prove it has OLED level blacks, it doesn't have OLED level blacks.
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Thanks, I've heard of the Hisense but didn't realize it could be a serious contender and out so soon. Is the current hisense 75 uk-only or something? Seems like most reviews I can find are from uk?

Also 85" is too big, won't fit

Edit: Apparently Hisense is Sharp in the us? Did you mean the Sharp MU9600?
Yes, Hisense owns the Sharp name in the USA for the next 5 years or so. And it is actually the Sharp 75 P9500. The 75MU9600U is the model number in China. Hisense is bigger in Europe and the UK were there is no Vizio to compete against, but they are trying to expand to the US market. They are the 3rd or 4th biggest display seller in the world.
In the US, they said they will have two top of the line FALD QDs. The 320 zone 70" 70H10D and the 560 zone 75" 75H10D. It will be the most expensive Hisense every sold in the US, if they actually release them here. And on paper they look to be some of the best 2017 displays you can get.

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One of them is supposed to be released in late May/June, the other in August. Around $3K for the 70" and $5K for the 75" model.The Sharp P9500s should be similar, but slightly more expensive. Early reviews of the Chinese models have been excellent. Definitely worth the wait for a reputable review, if you can wait that long.
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Sigh..

I think I'll just get whichever 75" set goes on sale next? $10k is still to much for me to swallow for that Sony...

Maybe 75x940d or Vizio p75e1... Anything else comparable in that range? I could also wait until the x940e comes down... That's supposed to be a bigger jump forward?
You will hate the image coming from a Kuro. That is the reason i won't give up my 60vt60. Every 75" LED i have seen is junk.

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I had the 75" Vizio , is almost impossible to have one without bad DSE and banding.Well pretty much all the LCDs that I tried had banding on bright scenes.

Was exchanged 3 time till I give up.


Avoid Hisense ,that is a terrible choice.

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I had the 75" Vizio , is almost impossible to have one without bad DSE and banding.

Was exchanged 3 time till I give up.


Avoid Hisense ,that is a terrible choice.
All junk sets, A sea of motion blur. Shame they did away with the Mits DLP's.

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I had the 75" Vizio , is almost impossible to have one without bad DSE and banding.Well pretty much all the LCDs that I tried had banding on bright scenes.

Was exchanged 3 time till I give up.


Avoid Hisense ,that is a terrible choice.
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All junk sets, A sea of motion blur. Shame they did away with the Mits DLP's.
They are right. The Hisense will never be able to produce blue snow.
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All junk sets, A sea of motion blur. Shame they did away with the Mits DLP's.
I'm pretty sure Oled have a much lower exchange rate. My first was a keeper vs the multiple LCDs that I exchanged from Samsung,Sony and Vizio.
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I just upgraded from my 50 inch Pioneer PRO-111FD KURO to the 65 inch LG B6 yesterday. While I loved my KURO, I have zero regrets so far (plus the KURO is downstairs alive and well). My viewing distance is about 10 feet and the 65 inch is a good fit for that. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
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10 feet is actually a bit too far for 4K on a 65", at least if you want to take full advantage of the increased detail.
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10 feet is actually a bit too far for 4K on a 65", at least if you want to take full advantage of the increased detail.


I agree a 75" would be ideal, but going from 50" to a 65" has made a world of difference.
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If you want 75" at a reasonable price, you have to get a LCD. Eventually larger OLEDs will drop to competitive prices, but no one knows when that will happen.

I think some LCDs look good. Not as good as OLED in general, but they look better than plasma. You should expect this forum to bash LCD since almost everyone here recently bought an OLED. Some of the anti-LCD hyperbole in this forum is comically ridiculous.
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Hey all,I currently have a Pioneer 5020FD, and am looking for something 75".
If you are a plasma guy only FALD will do or OLED. I vote you look at the XBR-75X900E, XBR-75940E, or top dog XBR-75Z9D.
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I agree a 75" would be ideal, but going from 50" to a 65" has made a world of difference.
Also depends on your content, if you're still watching mostly 1080p content then you're all good =P
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If you are a plasma guy only FALD will do or OLED. I vote you look at the XBR-75X900E, XBR-75940E, or top dog XBR-75Z9D.
I think my next step is going to BB and looking at 940e vs 900e... 900e is in my target price zone, if the 940e isn't that much better to my eyes, I think it may do.
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OLED 77" for less than $6,000? It's going to be a long time, or you're going to have to buy a very old model. They're low production, so the prices don't exactly drop very far.
Don't be so sure. The prices for 65" have skyrocketed down. Just 5 years ago they were nearly triple the price they are now.
I think the prices for a 32" LCD 12 years ago was $3,000. You can now get one for $100.
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wait for the Sony X930E FALD set on black friday. You'll most likely get it for half price of its MSRP that day.


At least here in Norway (Where black Friday isn't anywhere near as big as in US) the 78" flagship Samsungs launch for like $11,000 in the spring and then get sold for $5000 on BF... I noticed this with the KS9500, JS9500 and HU9000... So cross your fingers that 75" gets 50-60% off
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Sigh..

I think I'll just get whichever 75" set goes on sale next? $10k is still to much for me to swallow for that Sony...

Maybe 75x940d or Vizio p75e1... Anything else comparable in that range? I could also wait until the x940e comes down... That's supposed to be a bigger jump forward?
"That Sony" is a pretty impressive set. Especially when it displays 4k and 4k HDR content. There will always be some sort of compromise. I have seen the 2017 LG 65E, the 2017 65 AE1, and the 75Z9D and the Z9D is no Slouch. As a matter of fact the LG was the least impressive of the bunch (All non-calibrated and in standard mode). My B6 is non-calibrated and I prefer to use the HDR effect setting so I will go back to my local store and ask to switch the inputs to what users generally watch their sets non-calibrated for the Sony's.

I came from a Samsung PN 64F8500 and its second fiddle to my B6 even with 1080P content and no where in the same league with 4K HDR content.

I think you would be surprised with the Z9D, being a plasma owner. At 75"-77" IMO its the best tv available for under $10,000. I'm not sure how much better the 77" OLED will be for ~$7000 more and will it be $7000 better....hmm.

Plus you will get 4K HDR content if you get any of HDR TV's because its that good.

My B6 will get replaced eventually with one of the Sony's. At 65" its a tough decision between them but at 75", with money a contributing factor it will no doubt be the Z9d.

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Alright screw it, I'm getting a 940e... Tired of being on the fence. Is $6k the best price out there?
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