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post #3601 of 7669 Old 01-24-2018, 06:29 PM
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Try to see if it also resolves the raised black level issue. The best way to detect it may be with a letterbox movie and a bright outdoor scene. The black bars should remain absolutely black.

I am betting passing the metadata independent from the video signal will also resolve the raised black issue.
Do you know of a good test on Netflix or Amazon that is known to have the issue?

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Do you know of a good test on Netflix or Amazon that is known to have the issue?

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The following is from John Archer's article regarding this issue:

If you have an Apple TV 4K with a Dolby Vision OLED TV and want to see the problem for yourself, I know that Mindhunter and Godless on Netflix are definitely affected by it. For instance, if you fire up Mindhunter Episode 8 and start watching from around 8 minutes and 25 seconds in, you can clearly see big shifts in the image’s black levels as the picture shifts from the bright school interview to Holden sitting on a step outside his girlfriend’s flat.

There’s another big shift during a cut within this exterior night-time sequence too, and the black bars above and below the picture clearly drop back to their normal inky depths once the action cuts to the brighter interior of the girlfriend’s house.

The fact that the problem impacts the black bars above and below wide aspect ratio pictures makes it more distracting - and suggests that some instruction in the Dolby Vision metadata is pushing the OLED TV out of its brightness comfort zone.


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So here is the Big question. Once Oppo, for example, starts sending the new DV profile, with the current version of AVRs that currently pass DV, will they be able to pass the new DV profile data?
That's my concern too. I have A1060 and A1070 and don't know if Yamaha updates the firmware to pass dynamic metadata to the TV.

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That's my concern too. I have A1060 and A1070 and don't know if Yamaha updates the firmware to pass dynamic metadata to the TV.

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Your AVR will need an update. HDMI < 2.1 cannot pass dynamic metadata without a firmware update. But, don't take my word for it. I don't have the ATV4K beta. Ask someone who does and who also integrated it with an AVR.

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Public beta should be out in a day or two - will let you know then. Maybe if someone has the developer beta they can check?
I would be careful with the beta though - I've found that they really can be unstable at times and I've had to unplug the ATV a few times to get a signal back.
Can you confirm if your ATV4K connects directly to the TV or to a receiver?

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The following is from John Archer's article regarding this issue:

If you have an Apple TV 4K with a Dolby Vision OLED TV and want to see the problem for yourself, I know that Mindhunter and Godless on Netflix are definitely affected by it. For instance, if you fire up Mindhunter Episode 8 and start watching from around 8 minutes and 25 seconds in, you can clearly see big shifts in the image’s black levels as the picture shifts from the bright school interview to Holden sitting on a step outside his girlfriend’s flat.

There’s another big shift during a cut within this exterior night-time sequence too, and the black bars above and below the picture clearly drop back to their normal inky depths once the action cuts to the brighter interior of the girlfriend’s house.

The fact that the problem impacts the black bars above and below wide aspect ratio pictures makes it more distracting - and suggests that some instruction in the Dolby Vision metadata is pushing the OLED TV out of its brightness comfort zone.


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Looks perfect to me.

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Looks perfect to me.

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Yep! Looks perfect. Thanks!

As expected, this DV update kills two birds with one stone. I always figured mapping the display from the embedded metadata was the reason for the raised blacks. And, without having to extract embedded metadata frame-by-frame is a huge plus for efficiency.

I figured Sony knew the HDMI 2.1 spec would be introduced by the end of 2017, which is why they said all along that DV would be delivered then. Knowing this, they elected to save money and processing power by not having to extract embedded metadata. All they had to do was wait for HDMI 2.1 spec and Dolby would deliver the updated profile.

Dynamic metadata over HDMI sole purpose was spec'd for DV (and HDR10+).

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Yeah, someone in the ATV4K thread noted that they had floating bars in a certain scene with their LG OLED, but they are not there on the Sony ZD9.

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Can you confirm if your ATV4K connects directly to the TV or to a receiver?
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I have it connected to the TV port 4 due to my receiver only supporting HDMI 2.0a, so no HDR through that. Will have to fix that at some point, but waiting for a real need and the dust to settle. Having it this way only allows me 30 fps with 4K HDR, but that is enough for movies - will have to see if DV works this way.
The ARC is on port 3, and my XboX1X is on Port 2 for 60fps. Not ideal, but alright for now.

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Check the Firmware Version of the TV
Turn on the TV.
On the TV remote control, press the HOME button to open the TV Home Menu.
From the Settings category, navigate to the Help (question mark) icon.
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With the Help icon selected, press the OK button on the remote control.
If the software version displayed is PKG6.2818.0075NAA or higher, your TV doesn't need this update.
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I'm hard wired to modem via Ethernet and software shows as 0070NAA.

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This is one of more complex interfaces I've encountered on any AV device.

I'm hard wired to modem via Ethernet and software shows as 0070NAA.

After all the bugs reported, do majority suggest updating via USB or waiting for Sony?
I've found the update is pretty good, though there have been some complaints about sound pops that I personally have not experienced. Everything else operates more smoothly, and DV with internal apps is quite good. I'll soon have the AppleTV 11.3 update and am looking forward to DV on that as I do find the HDR from that a bit lacking.

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Relax people...a half baked version of Dolby Vision is better than no version at all. And, based on what I’m seeing with Netflix DV, it’s a significant step up from HDR10. Both Sony and Dolby share equal blame if you ask me, but I’m still confident they’ll get it all sorted out sooner than later.

My only concern going forward is whether or not my Denon 4300H HDMI passthrough will be compatible with this new version of DV.
On the Z9D thread, a Marantz 7011 owner said that his AVR passed the "low latency" DV input from a beta firmware ATV. The Marantz and Denon (same manufacturer) 2016 models all received DV pass through via firmware update. You would think that if one of their updates supported the low latency version, they all would.
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This is one of more complex interfaces I've encountered on any AV device.

I'm hard wired to modem via Ethernet and software shows as 0070NAA.

After all the bugs reported, do majority suggest updating via USB or waiting for Sony?
You are on the firmware version just right before the update.......I updated via USB.....but would suggest waiting for Sony's next update.

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On the Z9D thread, a Marantz 7011 owner said that his AVR passed the "low latency" DV input from a beta firmware ATV. The Marantz and Denon (same manufacturer) 2016 models all received DV pass through via firmware update. You would think that if one of their updates supported the low latency version, they all would.
When I get the beta update, Ill be curious to test my Yamaha A3060.
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My ATV 4K will not update properly. I'm in the beta program, but each time I update it goes through the motion of updating without updating. I'll see if there's an update again and it goes through the process again, but no update.

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My ATV 4K will not update properly. I'm in the beta program, but each time I update it goes through the motion of updating without updating. I'll see if there's an update again and it goes through the process again, but no update.


Probably a topic for the ATV4K forum. Back to the new issue... where the heck is our eARC?!?! This is crazy. It January 2018 for gosh sakes. . (DV update works great in my setup from my ATV4K to my A1E. Well done Sony and I blame Dolby for the confusion.). Enjoy!


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Probably a topic for the ATV4K forum. Back to the new issue... where the heck is our eARC?!?! This is crazy. It January 2018 for gosh sakes. . (DV update works great in my setup from my ATV4K through my pioneer to my A1E. Well done Sony and I blame Dolby for the confusion.). Enjoy!


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Best way to see if there's raised blacks

Buy Interstellar in AppleTV 4K -> Go to the credits, that scene is totally gray in my LG, if the black is fixed, won't appear gray on SONY

Also there's a scene with raised blacks that creates lots of artifacts on my LG cause of that, go to the scene where Cooper wakes up and Murph talks with him while he's in the bed, at the beginning of the movie, that scene has raised blacks too on my LG

If you don't want the movie, just refund it after testing it

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Best way to see if there's raised blacks

Buy Interstellar in AppleTV 4K -> Go to the credits, that scene is totally gray in my LG, if the black is fixed, won't appear gray on SONY

Also there's a scene with raised blacks that creates lots of artifacts on my LG cause of that, go to the scene where Cooper wakes up and Murph talks with him while he's in the bed, at the beginning of the movie, that scene has raised blacks too on my LG

If you don't want the movie, just refund it after testing it
You can refund a movie?
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Yes, if you don't like it or have problems you can, but don't abuse the system or they'll ban you
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I am having black flashing from my dishnetwork since the Dolby Vision update all other devices are fine Apple TV bdp 800 every thing goes thru my denon 7200wa dot know what the fix is restarted all devices saw this glitch with direct tv also

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According to some
The newest beta update for Apple TV4K now supports HDMI Dolby Vision Support on Sony Tv's with the latest
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I am having black flashing from my dishnetwork since the Dolby Vision update all other devices are fine Apple TV bdp 800 every thing goes thru my denon 7200wa dot know what the fix is restarted all devices saw this glitch with direct tv also
Is it a Dish client or HDDVR? I am not having any problems with the UBP-X700, the ATV4K or my Directv HDDVR. My Directv client does flash.

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Should we be updating to the latest firmware? I havent updated mine yet (always skipped)

Wonder if i need to do anything on my AVR side (Denon X3300W)? I guess the best way to watch DV is via Netflix app and optical to AVR? Which means DTS 5.1 core?

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So even if Oppo and ATV 4K released a firmware to enable DV over HDMI. Did Sony lived up to it's promise? Did we get our money's worth? Is it still better than other TV specifically LG OLED ones?
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So even if Oppo and ATV 4K released a firmware to enable DV over HDMI. Did Sony lived up to it's promise? Did we get our money's worth? Is it still better than other TV specifically LG OLED ones?

If you care about motion, image processing and near black, yes, it's better. I also think Sony's choice for tone mapping in 2017 is better than LG's decision.
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This is great news ... tempted to allow beta updates on my atv.... bad idea?

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