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Does anyone know when are we going to get the update in the UK that the US got last month ? Seems to be very slow moving over here. What if i downloaded the update on a usb stick from the US site, surely there can't be much difference between the A1E and the A1 ? Would it harm the tv ?

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Checking out Spider-Man HDR on the internal amazon app and its playing with gray bars...SDR movies and other apps play fine and showing inky black bars..Just amazon.

Anyone else getting gray bars in amazon HDr content?
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Ok one last time.

So when you have a DV video playing, go into picture settings and change the brightness from 50 to 51 then change the color from Neutral to either expert 1 or expert 2. If you have a calibrated set use the calibrated expert 1 or 2.

That's it.
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The only way I figured is to turn off the receiver (A3060) before turning off the A1E (give couple of secs if you have programmable remote). Next time I turn on A1E, it will not turn on the receiver automatically. A1E remembers the last state of which speakers (internal vs external) used. At least that's what I noticed with my setup A3060->A1E on HDMI3. YMMV.
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Does anyone know when are we going to get the update in the UK that the US got last month ? Seems to be very slow moving over here. What if i downloaded the update on a usb stick from the US site, surely there can't be much difference between the A1E and the A1 ? Would it harm the tv ?
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Yep, it's dark. But, Daredevil S1 in DV is so dark, it's almost unwatchable. I had to considerably raise Black Level just to see silhouettes. Doesn't matter though. I quit watching Daredevil after S2:E2. The violence if off the chain. To me, gratuitous violence is not entertaining.

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I’m also having an issue that’s getting super annoying, and figured someone here will be able to help me faster than someone in the Logitech forums...

I’m using the ARC for Audio return and all my activities were working right up until I started using the internal apps and added a smart TV activity on my Harmony Elite... every time I switch to my Oppo activity the input on the AVR switches to TV audio when I;m clearly configuring the right input on the activity... in fact when I auto fix it switches to the correct input...no matter what delays I configure the issue won’t go away....

My TV also switches from internal speakers to external ones randomly when switching activities....

I’m using both Bravia Sync and HDMI control set to On.

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Yep, it's dark. But, Daredevil S1 in DV is so dark, it's almost unwatchable. I had to considerably raise Black Level just to see silhouettes. Doesn't matter though. I quit watching Daredevil after S2:E2. The violence if off the chain. To me, gratuitous violence is not entertaining.
OK. Good to know I'm not the only one that finds it unwatchable! Netflix content in general seems super dark to me. Hard to believe this is intentional. Some DV titles via AppleTV are also quite dark but it's still beta so I cut it some slack for now.

Despicable ME 2 via iTunes was one exception that looks good - even dark scenes. I also found a sample DV demo loop file that I was able to download and play via the internal Videos app and it looked amazing - what I was expecting out of DV.

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Everyone is talking about being able to stream DV content and when I go to update my tv there isn't one available. I can't find one on the site and customer service said the update has been delayed. I sure it's been discussed exhaustively, but can someone tell me the status of DV? Or how to get it?
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Well you need to have CEC enabled on the AVR and ARC enabled on the AVR (it is often off by default for some reason). And the AVR has to have the input set to TV Audio (or something like that).

The TV needs CEC (I think Sony calls it bravia sync) enabled as well, although I think that is on by default. It should auto detect the AVR when it is on if everything is set right and switch from internal speakers automatically, and if the AVR is turned off it should auto switch to internal speakers again.
I had done all of that and gotten nowhere with my Denon 4200. Then I saw the "TV Audio" button on the Denon remote. Pressed it and Bingo, it worked.

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Everyone is talking about being able to stream DV content and when I go to update my tv there isn't one available. I can't find one on the site and customer service said the update has been delayed. I sure it's been discussed exhaustively, but can someone tell me the status of DV? Or how to get it?
Are you in the US? If so here is a link for the 65": https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model...3#/downloadTab

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Everyone is talking about being able to stream DV content and when I go to update my tv there isn't one available. I can't find one on the site and customer service said the update has been delayed. I sure it's been discussed exhaustively, but can someone tell me the status of DV? Or how to get it?
You will have to update by usb as linked above . Then you will have dv capability with internal apps and also dc streaming from Apple TV 4k if you have enabled beta updates on your Apple TV 4k

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Everyone is talking about being able to stream DV content and when I go to update my tv there isn't one available. I can't find one on the site and customer service said the update has been delayed. I sure it's been discussed exhaustively, but can someone tell me the status of DV? Or how to get it?
Are you in the US? If so here is a link for the 65": https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model...3#/downloadTab

Here is a link for the 55": https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model...d#/downloadTab
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Does anyone know when are we going to get the update in the UK that the US got last month ? Seems to be very slow moving over here. What if i downloaded the update on a usb stick from the US site, surely there can't be much difference between the A1E and the A1 ? Would it harm the tv ?
Different tuner design, different features (US model doesn't have PVR ability and such). You can't load firmware for another variant.

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Just an update on my “black flash” issue with the latest Sony firmware.

Over the last few days, I have tested using both 1080p and 4K output from my Apple TV. In my testing the black flash always occurs when outputting 1080p and has never occurred when set to 4K.

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So I scored the killer deal on an HTST5000 soundbar sub combo today at Magnolia/Bestbuy just for asking.

Returned the cheap sub I’d been trying to use with the A1E internal speakers.

I am so excited to be rockin ATMOS I almost can’t believe it when I hit the display button on the soundbar remote.

So I’ve got the X800 HDMI 2 out > ST5000 HDMI 1 in > ST5000 ARC port out > A1E ARC in, AudioQuest Cinnamon cables all the way.

Watching Batman vs. Superman Dawn of Justice Ultimate Edition, which made the list of “real” 4K discs.

I’m in a dark room, BD display says 4K/24p HDR, all settings pretty much auto with a bunch of the settings related to blue ray or 3D set to off. To get the Atmos I basically turned off all the audio settings save for digital audio output set to auto.

Soundbar is all pretty much auto I’m wondering if I want video direct ON so it skips the video resolution and color conversion? Need to read the manual.
Sound settings here I left everything defaults but wondering if I should not have. DSEE HX on, Audio DRC Auto, Audio output speaker, sound effect sound field on audio upmix Dolby surround as ive no idea what Neural X is.

Just noticed I did not have enhanced format HDMI ON the inputs so I fixed that.

A1E picture mode cinema pro, auto picture mode, not sure what to do under advanced settings. Video options all auto, motionflow true cinema cinemotion high, clarity all default, brightness all defaults, color all defaults I think, color temp set to expert 1.

Sound is clearaudio.

The picture is pretty badass, a little warm and grainy when I got close to the screen. I think it’s better now that I turned on enhanced HDMI on the soundbar.

If it sounds like I’ve missed anything important please let me know.

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Link to the HT-ST5000 thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/195-so...ht-st5000.html

Dolby Surround vs Neural:X (an old article but you get the idea, I'm using Neural:X to my preference):
https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...sneuralx/32382

Audio DRC should be off unless you very much need it - the manual is very vague about it but it's the Dolby's volume normalization option (flattens the sound - reduces its dynamic range). So turn it off on your A1, HT-ST5000 and X800.

As for the video direct - you will lose the overlay (but you will lose anyway because it won't work with 4k/60).

You should see HDR, there's no mention of HDR10 or something.

Sound - it's best to set it to any of the soundfields you like (or disable the soundfield if you like it that way), for my preference Movie setting sounds the most convincing for pretty much everything (some prefer 3D Surround).
ClearAudio is the "Auto" option which will set the soundfield by itself every time you use the soundbar in a non-convincing (for me) manner.
There are two soundfields that disable Atmos completely, from my memory if I'm right those were the Game and Music.

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OK. Good to know I'm not the only one that finds it unwatchable! Netflix content in general seems super dark to me. Hard to believe this is intentional. Some DV titles via AppleTV are also quite dark but it's still beta so I cut it some slack for now.

Despicable ME 2 via iTunes was one exception that looks good - even dark scenes. I also found a sample DV demo loop file that I was able to download and play via the internal Videos app and it looked amazing - what I was expecting out of DV.

I guess Dolby Vision is hit or miss depending on content right now?
I agree with you on most of this and have whined about it on here in the past. DV and HDR in general have been very disappointing.....particularly with Netflix. Sometimes it just looks washed out and other times it is simply so dark that it is unwatchable. I just started watching Altered Carbon (via ATV-4K with 11.3 beta) on Netflix and it looked like other HDR content.....dark. The ATV is set to 4k-SDR and I just changed dynamic range matching off. It looks much better. MUCH better. In fact, after having this OLED since Sept 1, I find that 4K content without HDR/DV is simply stunning. Check out Medici on Netflix. It is beautiful. I hope there are changes coming for the way these enhanced dynamic range formats are streamed.
I don't have a 4K blueray disc player as I don't really do the disc thing but from what I read on these boards, they are a much better solution at this point.
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I agree with you on most of this and have whined about it on here in the past. DV and HDR in general have been very disappointing.....particularly with Netflix. Sometimes it just looks washed out and other times it is simply so dark that it is unwatchable. I just started watching Altered Carbon (via ATV-4K with 11.3 beta) on Netflix and it looked like other HDR content.....dark. The ATV is set to 4k-SDR and I just changed dynamic range matching off. It looks much better. MUCH better. In fact, after having this OLED since Sept 1, I find that 4K content without HDR/DV is simply stunning. Check out Medici on Netflix. It is beautiful. I hope there are changes coming for the way these enhanced dynamic range formats are streamed.
I don't have a 4K blueray disc player as I don't really do the disc thing but from what I read on these boards, they are a much better solution at this point.
Will check out Medici. Thanks for the tip.

I also tried Altered Carbon last night - same thing, super dark. I think it looks slightly better with the built-in Netflix app vs ATV. Something is still not quite right with how the ATV and A1 are coordinating DV.

Everything is SO much brighter in SDR via ATV, but it is not as rich as HDR. Looks washed out when comparing against the HDR setting.

For now I think I'm locking my ATV to 4K-HDR with these picture setting on the A1:

Brightness: Max, Contrast: 90, Gamma: 2, Black level: 53, Black adjust: Off, Adv. contrast enhancer: High, Peak luminance: High, Color temperature: Expert 1, Live Color: High

I think this setup with ATV is the best compromise I've found that handles HDR, SDR and upscaled HD for most of the content I've tried via iTunes and Netflix on ATV. I'm curious if eventually getting the set calibrated will improve this or not.

Next step for me is to get a disc player to compare non-DV HDR.

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Will check out Medici. Thanks for the tip.

I also tried Altered Carbon last night - same thing, super dark. I think it looks slightly better with the built-in Netflix app vs ATV. Something is still not quite right with how the ATV and A1 are coordinating DV.

Everything is SO much brighter in SDR via ATV, but it is not as rich as HDR. Looks washed out when comparing against the HDR setting.

For now I think I'm locking my ATV to 4K-HDR with these picture setting on the A1:

Brightness: Max, Contrast: 90, Gamma: 2, Black level: 53, Black adjust: Off, Adv. contrast enhancer: High, Peak luminance: High, Color temperature: Expert 1, Live Color: High

I think this setup with ATV is the best compromise I've found that handles HDR, SDR and upscaled HD for most of the content I've tried via iTunes and Netflix on ATV. I'm curious if eventually getting the set calibrated will improve this or not.

Next step for me is to get a disc player to compare non-DV HDR.
Maybe the advanced contrast enhancer is making stuff too dark for you guys?
On high that would probably make things pretty dark logicly as its making the blacks darker than it really is on the source, maybe even crushing at times?
I find HDR content beautiful 95% of the time, at most maybe a scene here and there doesnt work as well as it should in rare instances.

I will say that i am an european, so i dont have access to DV yet.
Maybe it has issues i am unaware of.

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Maybe the advanced contrast enhancer is making stuff too dark for you guys?
On high that would probably make things pretty dark logicly as its making the blacks darker than it really is on the source, maybe even crushing at times?
I find HDR content beautiful 95% of the time, at most maybe a scene here and there doesnt work as well as it should in rare instances.

I will say that i am an european, so i dont have access to DV yet.
Maybe it has issues i am unaware of.
What are your Picture settings for HDR and what content source?

For ATV content I find that the Advanced Contrast Enhancer to High brightens up mid-tones a LOT. But you're right, probably at the expense of some black detail.

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Link to the HT-ST5000 thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/195-so...ht-st5000.html

Dolby Surround vs Neural:X (an old article but you get the idea, I'm using Neural:X to my preference):
https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...sneuralx/32382

Audio DRC should be off unless you very much need it - the manual is very vague about it but it's the Dolby's volume normalization option (flattens the sound - reduces its dynamic range). So turn it off on your A1, HT-ST5000 and X800.

As for the video direct - you will lose the overlay (but you will lose anyway because it won't work with 4k/60).

You should see HDR, there's no mention of HDR10 or something.

Sound - it's best to set it to any of the soundfields you like (or disable the soundfield if you like it that way), for my preference Movie setting sounds the most convincing for pretty much everything (some prefer 3D Surround).
ClearAudio is the "Auto" option which will set the soundfield by itself every time you use the soundbar in a non-convincing (for me) manner.
There are two soundfields that disable Atmos completely, from my memory if I'm right those were the Game and Music.

Auto picture mode on A1 is also the "Auto" option you'll most likely want to avoid seeing as you want to set it to CinemaPro.
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65A1E lock-up.

Turned on my set today and got a "no signal on this input" alert over grey screen (input 3 HDMI/ARC)

The set was unresponsive to the remote, except the power button. If I pressed the "home" button I would get a chime but that was it. So per what I could find in the on-line help I pulled the power cord and after restoring power / turning on it restarted androidTV and now seems to be working.

Is this common? Is there a better way to force a reboot when the remote can't control the set?

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What settings need to be enabled to use the ARC feature? I am using HDMI Input 3.

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What settings need to be enabled to use the ARC feature? I am using HDMI Input 3.
It's already active; you just need to select tv audio on your receiver or pre amp and you need to use an hdmi cable capable of arc

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What settings need to be enabled to use the ARC feature? I am using HDMI Input 3.
This should help:
https://sony-eur-eu-en-web--eur.cust...arc%29-feature.

Step 3 is for the receiver and Step 4 is for the TV.

I have a Denon 4200 and everything was hooked up correctly, but I still wasn't getting any sound when using the TV apps on the TV HOME page. When I found and pressed the "TV Audio" button on the Denon remote, the audio worked fine. To get back, I press the TV button on the Sony remote.

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I?m simply using the Sound & vision calibration and Altered Carbon looks fantastic from my ATV Netflix. Don?t give up it?s not universally bad for everyone

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This should help:
https://sony-eur-eu-en-web--eur.cust...arc%29-feature.

Step 3 is for the receiver and Step 4 is for the TV.

I have a Denon 4200 and everything was hooked up correctly, but I still wasn't getting any sound when using the TV apps on the TV HOME page. When I found and pressed the "TV Audio" button on the Denon remote, the audio worked fine. To get back, I press the TV button on the Sony remote.
I have tried this and all other suggestions and can't get it to work...I guess it is the cable. I am using the one that came with my Xbox One X. I ended up using a digital optical cable from the TV back to the AVR...that solves my problem until the Chromecast Ultra is updated so I can view DV on the A1E.

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