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I?m simply using the Sound & vision calibration and Altered Carbon looks fantastic from my ATV Netflix. Don?t give up it?s not universally bad for everyone
Just wondering what your ATV4K settings are. Are you matching Dynamic Range? Where is resolution set?
I'm just curious to determine if this is just a situation where different people perceive the same basic picture differently or if there is significant variation in the sets.
I'm at 4K-SDR and dynamic range matching on. If you are the same, and thus watching in Dolbyvision, try turning dynamic range matching off and see what the pic looks like. For me, I certainly lose some of the depth and vividness of bright colors but the overall pic is significantly brighter with way more details visible. And it seems closer to what real life would look like (which is the standard I always use).

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65A1E lock-up.

Turned on my set today and got a "no signal on this input" alert over grey screen (input 3 HDMI/ARC)

The set was unresponsive to the remote, except the power button. If I pressed the "home" button I would get a chime but that was it. So per what I could find in the on-line help I pulled the power cord and after restoring power / turning on it restarted androidTV and now seems to be working.

Is this common? Is there a better way to force a reboot when the remote can't control the set?

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Not common, but electronics glitching out does happen. That's what you have to do, unplug it, plug it back in......
For this specific reason many years now i have some devices with plugs that controlled by a remote and i just shut it from there in the case of lockup...im bored to unplug things in my age.
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For this specific reason many years now i have some devices with plugs that controlled by a remote and i just shut it from there in the case of lockup...im bored to unplug things in my age.
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Just a quick hello and check-in to report my status for those who may be interested, and thank you to the forum moderators and participants who share such high quality and hard-to-come-by information.

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I downloaded the new A1E firmware yesterday and installed it via USB without problems, though it was frightening because it takes so long (~20 minutes I guess, I forgot to time it). I was staring at the colorful Android logo near the end of the process for what seemed like way too long. But it finished successfully. Best not to watch it! I have nothing to report about the effects of the FW upgrade, I haven't had time to do any real picture-quality stuff, I'm still programming my remote and running cables to bedrooms etc. So far the most impressive-looking picture we've seen is from the occasional 4K sports feeds from DirecTV channel 104. I watched a Stanford basketball game live in 4K and it was definitely a new experience. And the Opening Ceremony of the Olympics is our new demo content, it's breathtaking.

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Just a quick hello and check-in to report my status for those who may be interested, and thank you to the forum moderators and participants who share such high-quality and hard-to-come-by information.

I got the XBR mid-January from Fry's and was able to slot it right into the same fully-articulated wall-mount that the old 60" Kuro is relinquishing, about a 15-minute install. The new '65 is actually smaller overall (1" shorter vertically) than was the '60 Kuro with its wide bezel. There's less weight and bulk, also very noticeable. The Sony is ~65 pounds without the stand, while the Pioneer weighted in at something like 112. This makes the mobility of the panel on its articulated stand much better than it used to be with the heavier set. I'll poswt Power consumption, alas, isn't much different.

I have it hooked via HDMI 3 to the AVR and 1000-BaseT to my network. There's also an optical audio connection from the TV to the AVR. All CEC/Bravia Sync stuff is turned off, I'll program my remote to handle all of that, more predictably.

I downloaded the new A1E firmware yesterday and installed it via USB without problems, though it was frightening because it takes so long (~20 minutes I guess, I forgot to time it). I was staring at the colorful Android color logo near the end of the process for what seemed like way too long. But it finished successfully. Best not to watch it! I have nothing to report about the effects of the upgrade, I haven't had time to do any real picture-quality stuff, I'm still programming my remote and running cables to bedrooms etc. So far the most impressive-looking picture we've seen is from the 4K sports feeds from DirecTV channel 104. The Opening Ceremony of the Olympics is our new demo content, it's breathtaking.

Back in the days of cathode-ray tubes (which pinnacled for me with the 40" WEGA), when asked about TV sets, I always used to say that the one feature I wouldn't be without is that little plate on the front with "S", "O", "N", "Y" printed on it. But I forsook Sony in about 1998 for a Panasonic Plasma screen at 720p, followed by the Pioneer Elite Kuro. The Kuro was a masterpiece to be sure, but it's SO great to be back in front of a Sony screen. No baloney.
Nice write up

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I agree with you on most of this and have whined about it on here in the past. DV and HDR in general have been very disappointing.....particularly with Netflix. Sometimes it just looks washed out and other times it is simply so dark that it is unwatchable. I just started watching Altered Carbon (via ATV-4K with 11.3 beta) on Netflix and it looked like other HDR content.....dark. The ATV is set to 4k-SDR and I just changed dynamic range matching off. It looks much better. MUCH better. In fact, after having this OLED since Sept 1, I find that 4K content without HDR/DV is simply stunning. Check out Medici on Netflix. It is beautiful. I hope there are changes coming for the way these enhanced dynamic range formats are streamed.

I don't have a 4K blueray disc player as I don't really do the disc thing but from what I read on these boards, they are a much better solution at this point.


This seems like a Netflix thing. I tried blade runner in dolby vision from ATV movies app and it was beautiful. Netflix altered carbon was dark.

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I enrolled for ATV BETA and currently running 11.3 however when checking supported formats DV isn’t in the list... anyone else have this issue ?

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I enrolled for ATV BETA and currently running 11.3 however when checking supported formats DV isn?t in the list... anyone else have this issue ?
Are you using hdmi 2 or 3?
Have you updated your A1E to the latest firmware, dec 2017?

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Are you using hdmi 2 or 3?
Have you updated your A1E to the latest firmware, dec 2017?
Yup, using HDMI 3 (ARC) through my Denon AVR and I do have the Update on my Sony, in fact I have no issues with the SMart TV Neflix App playing DV.

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Yup, using HDMI 3 (ARC) through my Denon AVR and I do have the Update on my Sony, in fact I have no issues with the SMart TV Neflix App playing DV.
I assume you have Enhanced set on HDMI 3 and your Denon is setup correctly. You might try connecting it directly to HDMI 2 or 3 and see if it pops in on the ATV4K.

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I assume you have Enhanced set on HDMI 3 and your Denon is setup correctly. You might try connecting it directly to HDMI 2 or 3 and see if it pops in on the ATV4K.
Ahh.... I think here's the issue... I don't believe I my AVR supports DV, with my Oppo I had to connect directly to HDMI 2 and bypass the Denon 6200 altogether, although still waiting for the Oppo update to also support the A1E with DV...

I'll have to see what I need to do to get my ATV to work connected to the AVR.... I'm assuming maybe I can do some sort of passthrough.
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I assume you have Enhanced set on HDMI 3 and your Denon is setup correctly. You might try connecting it directly to HDMI 2 or 3 and see if it pops in on the ATV4K.
Ahh.... I think here's the issue... I don't believe I my AVR supports DV, with my Oppo I had to connect directly to HDMI 2 and bypass the Denon 6200 altogether, although still waiting for the Oppo update to also support the A1E with DV...

I'll have to see what I need to do to get my ATV to work connected to the AVR.... I'm assuming maybe I can do some sort of passthrough.
Yep its the denon

I have hdmi direct connection to the atv4k and optical output from Sony back to my marantz

Waiting for marantz to update the hdmi to support DV, hdmi 2.0b
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Ahh.... I think here's the issue... I don't believe I my AVR supports DV, with my Oppo I had to connect directly to HDMI 2 and bypass the Denon 6200 altogether, although still waiting for the Oppo update to also support the A1E with DV...



I'll have to see what I need to do to get my ATV to work connected to the AVR.... I'm assuming maybe I can do some sort of passthrough.


The 6200 should pass dv

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I don’t think it works... I have it set to pass through on the AVR.... according to the Denon thread, the 2015 models are getting a DV update in summer, no big deal I guess...

That said, if yours is working, I’d ppreciate a quick walk though .

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Not common, but electronics glitching out does happen. That's what you have to do, unplug it, plug it back in......
Thanks. Surprised there isn't something like "hold down power button for x secs" that would perform an orderly reboot.

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Is there any word or updates on the A1E getting full DV or are we stuck with this half baked software?

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It's not really half baked. It's a valid Dolby Vision implementation according to Dolby labs, so I would guess that you are stuck with it. However that being said, there is really nothing wrong with this version of DV except that it's not compatible with previous implementations that are out there now. There are even certain advantages to this version, in that the source device doing the sending can give a more complete metadata than the destination device such as the TV. I am not sure if Sony does use this to their advantage, but it's clearly a better way of sending the Dolby metadata than what was used before.
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I don't think the DV implementation leaves Sony at fault... as much as it exposes Dolby and their lack of partner support to coordinate updates to every vendor...

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I don't think the DV implementation leaves Sony at fault... as much as it exposes Dolby and their lack of partner support to coordinate updates to every vendor...
what devices/media worth with the new Sony DV scheme

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I don't think the DV implementation leaves Sony at fault... as much as it exposes Dolby and their lack of partner support to coordinate updates to every vendor...
Then please explain how LG Oppo Marantz And other big manufacturers have implemented Dolby vision into their products yet Sony was too weak with their processor to fully exploit the Dolby vision software.
I made a 5k plus purchase on a TV to make full use of DV as promised by Sony. Yet what do we get? A TV that only allows DV to be used with the built in apps. This is not why I purchased this TV as I’m sure many other owners feel the same way. Basically Sony dumped the responsibility into the laps of other manufacturers to make DV work with their TV.

I’m actullay surprised there’s not been a class action suit started over this ordeal!
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And how do you know that "Sony was too weak with their processor"? Did they tell you that? Was it published somewhere?
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Then please explain how LG Oppo Marantz And other big manufacturers have implemented Dolby vision into their products yet Sony was too weak with their processor to fully exploit the Dolby vision software.
I made a 5k plus purchase on a TV to make full use of DV as promised by Sony. Yet what do we get? A TV that only allows DV to be used with the built in apps. This is not why I purchased this TV as I’m sure many other owners feel the same way. Basically Sony dumped the responsibility into the laps of other manufacturers to make DV work with their TV.

I’m actullay surprised there’s not been a class action suit started over this ordeal!
It already works over HDMI with the Apple 4k tv box. Sony also has their own UHD Blu Ray player coming out that will also support Dolby Vision. So it seems to me that the problem isn't Sony, who's seemingly using the newest version of the profile, but that it lies with Dolby, who appears to have **** the bed in terms of providing the updated profile to ALL manufacturers in a timely manner.

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Then please explain how LG Oppo Marantz And other big manufacturers have implemented Dolby vision into their products yet Sony was too weak with their processor to fully exploit the Dolby vision software.
I made a 5k plus purchase on a TV to make full use of DV as promised by Sony. Yet what do we get? A TV that only allows DV to be used with the built in apps. This is not why I purchased this TV as I’m sure many other owners feel the same way. Basically Sony dumped the responsibility into the laps of other manufacturers to make DV work with their TV.

I’m actullay surprised there’s not been a class action suit started over this ordeal!
On the player side (like Oppo) there wasn't really that much to do (there may be more now though). Seems it didn't take Apple more than a few days to get DV working with Sony from the Apply TV 4k, so can't be that hard. For AVRs there really is nothing to do, just recognize and pass the data without touching it, so Marantz didn't really have to do anything. On the TV side it is a lot more complicated and there is a lot to do mapping the data using the changing metadata based on the capabilities of the display. Given HDMI 2.0 wasn't supposed to support passing dynamic metadata, DV was doing something non standard and weird. I get the impression that the implementation done on the Sony actually solves that by making the source device add the metadata into the image stream when talking to a DV capable display rather than passing the metadata outside the image data and having the display device have to merge them together.

As for class action lawsuits, the only people to win in those are the lawyers involved, so most people are fortunately sensible enough to not get involved in those.

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Not sure if the problem with the Oppo is the same as the Sony ie related to the MediaTek chipset, ATV likely doesn't have that limitation hence easier to implement...but I may be talking bollocks

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Then please explain how LG Oppo Marantz And other big manufacturers have implemented Dolby vision into their products yet Sony was too weak with their processor to fully exploit the Dolby vision software.
If the X1E processor is "too weak" then please explain how Dolby Vision is working with the internal apps.

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I'm confused now.

Has Oppo already implemented their version of DV support for the 203 via firmware?

If not, do we know when and/or why?

Also, am I the only owner in US who hasn't received the Sony DV firmware update yet?
I keep checking my firmware status and it remains xxxxx70, not xxxx75. I've searched for firmware updates
On the troubleshooting menu and it says " no update available"?

Every time I check I also get locked into the "Home" guide on the remote.
It won't let me exit now, even when I hit "Return" or the "Home" buttons on the remote

What am I doing wrong so I can easily exit the "Home" guide?

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I think it's pretty well established that the MediaTek SoC can't process both the DV base layer and enhancement layer simultaneously, so Dolby created a "modified enhancement layer" that could be processed, then put the onus on the players to convert the UHD output accordingly. I don't think Sony was ever a fan of DV (does Sony Pictures even release in the format?) and guess Dolby felt the need to accommodate Sony to make the DV format viable commercially. I suspect a lot of the maneuvering is over the creation / master side of things more so than the display side. At CES it was announced Sony will incorporate a stronger SoC, MediaTek5598 so maybe in 2018 things will be better. Doesn't help us with current gen sets unfortunately.

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