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I'm confused now.

Has Oppo already implemented their version of DV support for the 203 via firmware?

If not, do we know when and/or why?

Also, am I the only owner in US who hasn't received the Sony DV firmware update yet?
I keep checking my firmware status and it remains xxxxx70, not xxxx75. I've searched for firmware updates
On the troubleshooting menu and it says " no update available"?

Every time I check I also get locked into the "Home" guide on the remote.
It won't let me exit now, even when I hit "Return" or the "Home" buttons on the remote

What am I doing wrong so I can easily exit the "Home" guide?
If you go into the guide directly, there is no way to exit except to select and HDMI input. As far as the DV update, Sony is just really slow distributing it but it will come.

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I think it's pretty well established that the MediaTek SoC can't process both the DV base layer and enhancement layer simultaneously, so Dolby created a "modified enhancement layer" that could be processed, then put the onus on the players to convert the UHD output accordingly. I don't think Sony was ever a fan of DV (does Sony Pictures even release in the format?) and guess Dolby felt the need to accommodate Sony to make the DV format viable commercially. I suspect a lot of the maneuvering is over the creation / master side of things more so than the display side. At CES it was announced Sony will incorporate a stronger SoC, MediaTek5598 so maybe in 2018 things will be better. Doesn't help us with current gen sets unfortunately.

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So how do you know that "the MediaTek SoC can't process both the DV base layer and enhancement layer simultaneously." Did Sony tell you this or was it published some where? Speculating and or guessing is probably a waste of time. We may find out at some point that this method is better for DV overall. I don't think we will ever know what really happened but we will have to wait and see.
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Also, am I the only owner in US who hasn't received the Sony DV firmware update yet?
My TV has also not updated automatically nor finds a new software version. I'm not surprised -- The last firmware update took many weeks before arriving on my TV also.

It's good that firmware updates roll out automatically and it's safest to roll them out very slowly across the customer base. If someone really wants or needs the update now, then use the manual USB firmware update process. Otherwise, remain patient and it will eventually arrive.

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I think it's pretty well established that the MediaTek SoC can't process both the DV base layer and enhancement layer simultaneously, so Dolby created a "modified enhancement layer" that could be processed, then put the onus on the players to convert the UHD output accordingly. I don't think Sony was ever a fan of DV (does Sony Pictures even release in the format?) and guess Dolby felt the need to accommodate Sony to make the DV format viable commercially. I suspect a lot of the maneuvering is over the creation / master side of things more so than the display side. At CES it was announced Sony will incorporate a stronger SoC, MediaTek5598 so maybe in 2018 things will be better. Doesn't help us with current gen sets unfortunately.
The mediatek has NOTHING to do with it. The mediatek is involved when using apps, but has nothing to do with processing HDMI inputs. Those are done by the X1 Extreme only. Of course when playing internal apps, the mediatek can do some of the work and the X1 Extreme can do the rest of the work.

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Then please explain how LG Oppo Marantz And other big manufacturers have implemented Dolby vision into their products yet Sony was too weak with their processor to fully exploit the Dolby vision software.
I made a 5k plus purchase on a TV to make full use of DV as promised by Sony. Yet what do we get? A TV that only allows DV to be used with the built in apps. This is not why I purchased this TV as I’m sure many other owners feel the same way. Basically Sony dumped the responsibility into the laps of other manufacturers to make DV work with their TV.
People with Yamaha products are just fine. Oppo is working on their fix now, apple TV already did the fix. Everyone will follow suite I am sure. Yes you can blame Sony, but why are all these other devises hooked up thru HDMI working just fine. 2 sided street here. In the end, I bet within 2 months everything will be compliant with Sony's version of DV....
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My TV has also not updated automatically nor finds a new software version. I'm not surprised -- The last firmware update took many weeks before arriving on my TV also.

It's good that firmware updates roll out automatically and it's safest to roll them out very slowly across the customer base. If someone really wants or needs the update now, then use the manual USB firmware update process. Otherwise, remain patient and it will eventually arrive.
My TV also did not get update. Looks like Sony is stopped pushing this firmware? It has never been this late for last three updates. My TV generally get an update within a week of its release. I am not in hurry, so waiting...
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My TV has also not updated automatically nor finds a new software version. I'm not surprised -- The last firmware update took many weeks before arriving on my TV also.

It's good that firmware updates roll out automatically and it's safest to roll them out very slowly across the customer base. If someone really wants or needs the update now, then use the manual USB firmware update process. Otherwise, remain patient and it will eventually arrive.
My TV also did not get update. Looks like Sony is stopped pushing this firmware? It has never been this late for last three updates. My TV generally get an update within a week of its release. I am not in hurry, so waiting...
I don't understand; why not take 20 min and do the usb update and start enjoying this now
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It is one of the numbers at the bottom of the service menu.

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Is there a way to check hours used on the A1E?
Press DISPLAY 5 VOL+ ON in quick order. Scroll to "Self Diagnosis History", bottom left are 3 #'s, first is total TV hours.

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Press DISPLAY 5 VOL+ ON in quick order. Scroll to "Self Diagnosis History", bottom left are 3 #'s, first is total TV hours.
Got it, thanks.... 121hrs here... for pro calibration is best to wait for 200 hrs, correct?

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Got it, thanks.... 121hrs here... for pro calibration is best to wait for 200 hrs, correct?
Most people say yes.
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Got the toy in today and got it set up. Gonna double check all my settings and inputs and then enjoy some content.

It showed up with 250+ hours on it (according to the trick in the post above), which was Value Electronics breaking it in before the calibration. What a well designed and sturdy tv. I was worried about the kickstand, but no more, it's a lovely flat panel.
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Used jrref's recommendation for DV mode, by mapping over the Custom mode SDR white balance settings (my Day mode) with Expert 2. Altered Carbon and Bright look great.
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Used jrref's recommendation for DV mode, by mapping over the Custom mode SDR white balance settings (my Day mode) with Expert 2. Altered Carbon and Bright look great.

I assume VE loaded the DV firmware for you before delivery? I was hoping for that but was about a month early.

Good to hear you have Netflix dialed in. Are those DV shows?

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Used jrref's recommendation for DV mode, by mapping over the Custom mode SDR white balance settings (my Day mode) with Expert 2. Altered Carbon and Bright look great.
So you are watching Altered Carbon in DV with Expert 2? I would think that would make it even darker, no? Did you make any other white balance changes?

This is a good opportunity for me to ask a question about color settings as I have just been so disappointed with HDR and DV. Note: I do think that regular 4k stuff has looked stunning so I know the set is quite capable.

I watch Netflix via ATV4K. Does anyone know what is the best/most advantageous way to set up the color range settings (ycbcr, RGB High, RGB low) and how should the A1E be set to receive the signal (auto, I assume).
I have seen a lot written about this with older model ATV and there were a lot of conflicting thoughts.

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Used jrref's recommendation for DV mode, by mapping over the Custom mode SDR white balance settings (my Day mode) with Expert 2. Altered Carbon and Bright look great.
Would you mind if I ask what they set brightness to with Custom?

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I assume VE loaded the DV firmware for you before delivery? I was hoping for that but was about a month early.

Good to hear you have Netflix dialed in. Are those DV shows?

Using Sony app or ATV?
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So you are watching Altered Carbon in DV with Expert 2? I would think that would make it even darker, no? Did you make any other white balance changes?

This is a good opportunity for me to ask a question about color settings as I have just been so disappointed with HDR and DV. Note: I do think that regular 4k stuff has looked stunning so I know the set is quite capable.

I watch Netflix via ATV4K. Does anyone know what is the best/most advantageous way to set up the color range settings (ycbcr, RGB High, RGB low) and how should the A1E be set to receive the signal (auto, I assume).
I have seen a lot written about this with older model ATV and there were a lot of conflicting thoughts.
Yes, in SDR my Custom (Bright Room) mode is calibrated with Expert 2, Cinema Pro SDR and HDR use the Expert 1 white balance settings. Since jrref has looked at both and found the use of Expert 2 in DV mode with the Custom Mode Bright Room white balance settings mapped over looks very good, I went with that.

I use Auto, it should detect ycbcr or RGB and act accordingly.

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Thanks, I've been using 40, may bump it up a bit. I finally have enough hours on my set to do a full calibration.

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[QUOTE=gadgtfreek;55697460]Yes, they loaded the newest FW, and they are DV shows.



Yes, in SDR my Custom (Bright Room) mode is calibrated with Expert 2, Cinema Pro SDR and HDR use the Expert 1 white balance settings. Since jrref has looked at both and found the use of Expert 2 in DV mode with the Custom Mode Bright Room white balance settings mapped over looks very good, I went with that.

I use Auto, it should detect ycbcr or RGB and act accordingly.


Is it possible to list out all of the settings you use in Custom? I understand if its too painful. I've just been so frustrated with HDR/DV and I am really hoping I can come up with some settings that can make the set sing.

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Yes, in SDR my Custom (Bright Room) mode is calibrated with Expert 2, Cinema Pro SDR and HDR use the Expert 1 white balance settings. Since jrref has looked at both and found the use of Expert 2 in DV mode with the Custom Mode Bright Room white balance settings mapped over looks very good, I went with that.

I use Auto, it should detect ycbcr or RGB and act accordingly.


Is it possible to list out all of the settings you use in Custom? I understand if its too painful. I've just been so frustrated with HDR/DV and I am really hoping I can come up with some settings that can make the set sing.
Out of respect to the calibrators, and knowing panel variation, I do not generally release all the 2pt and 10pt white balance work they do. I have never seen it work well from an accuracy standpoint, and I did spend some coin in the process. It is also is their livelihood.

With this display and the cost you spent to obtain it, Id encourage anyone to hire one of the well-known traveling calibrators that are on AVS. You are looking around $400 up front and then smaller touchup fees. Keeping in mind OLED's will drift over time and need re-cal. I like buying the set calibrated at VE, and then hiring Chad B for a touchup 12 months or so down the road.
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Out of respect to the calibrators, and knowing panel variation, I do not generally release all the 2pt and 10pt white balance work they do. I have never seen it work well from an accuracy standpoint, and I did spend some coin in the process. It is also is their livelihood.

With this display and the cost you spent to obtain it, Id encourage anyone to hire one of the well-known traveling calibrators that are on AVS. You are looking around $400 up front and then smaller touchup fees. Keeping in mind OLED's will drift over time and need re-cal. I like buying the set calibrated at VE, and then hiring Chad B for a touchup 12 months or so down the road.
I agree with this 100%, sadly it still amazes me that even on this forum people will give you **** for saying that (it's happened to me).

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I agree with this 100%, sadly it still amazes me that even on this forum people will give you **** for saying that (it's happened to me).
Yeah, I mean I am not going to argue about it and don't want to sound like an arse, but I know several calibrators man and they work their butts off. Plus I paid X for it, just don't think it is fair to give it away.

All that being said, I've tried plenty of settings from other's in the past like that, and then checked with my own meter, never had any luck...

So I just avoid it. My concern is we give settings away and it starts costing pro calibrators their jobs and we lose availability. Trust me, with this HDR and DV stuff and signal generators, it is not a hobby I want to get into anymore...

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That's actually a feature that made the A1E more attractive to me over the LG models, the fact that the SDR calibration maps over to HDR/DV.

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That's actually a feature that made the A1E more attractive to me over the LG models, the fact that the SDR calibration maps over to HDR/DV.
Exactly. I did a simple 2pt SDR on my 940E with my C6 HDR model, and Chad found it to be very close. If you buy an LG, whole different story LOL.

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So you are watching Altered Carbon in DV with Expert 2? I would think that would make it even darker, no? Did you make any other white balance changes?

This is a good opportunity for me to ask a question about color settings as I have just been so disappointed with HDR and DV. Note: I do think that regular 4k stuff has looked stunning so I know the set is quite capable.

I watch Netflix via ATV4K. Does anyone know what is the best/most advantageous way to set up the color range settings (ycbcr, RGB High, RGB low) and how should the A1E be set to receive the signal (auto, I assume).
I have seen a lot written about this with older model ATV and there were a lot of conflicting thoughts.
There is definitely something up with your settings if you don't think Altered Carbon looks great in DV. The only way I could describe it as being too dark would be if you were watching it in a very bright room. Any kind of light control and the show looks fantastic. I'm running it in Cinema Pro with expert 1 I believe with the black level set to 51.

As for the colors, as has been said, it will vary from panel to panel. I think there is a general consensus though that an adjustment of blue and red gain is needed. Take each back a few notches and you should have a good starting point. Adjusting the bias by eye is never a good idea, so I recommend leaving those settings alone.

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How does the Netflix built in app playing DV like Altered Carbon compare with the same title playing from the ATV?

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There is definitely something up with your settings if you don't think Altered Carbon looks great in DV. The only way I could describe it as being too dark would be if you were watching it in a very bright room. Any kind of light control and the show looks fantastic. I'm running it in Cinema Pro with expert 1 I believe with the black level set to 51.

As for the colors, as has been said, it will vary from panel to panel. I think there is a general consensus though that an adjustment of blue and red gain is needed. Take each back a few notches and you should have a good starting point. Adjusting the bias by eye is never a good idea, so I recommend leaving those settings alone.

I do watch in dark room, usually. I have it in Cinema Pro and Expert 1 as well. I"m not sure how far you are in the show but somewhere around the 3rd or 4th episode there is a party and outside the house there are glowing orange trees (night scene). With 4k-SDR, the trees are bright and vivid. With DV on the whole image darkens, including the trees. Perhaps it is the 2pt or 10pt settings that need professional adjustment. Could it be that significant?

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How does the Netflix built in app playing DV like Altered Carbon compare with the same title playing from the ATV?
I'm only familiar with Altered Carbon through the internal app. I do not yet have an ATV 4k.

I have noticed that DV on the whole seems brighter than HDR10.

Altered Carbon was made with HDR in mind, so I look at the picture as a whole, not just certain scenes. I am sure it looks nice in 4K SDR, but as someone who has finished the series, there hasn't been a time I thought the picture didn't look fantastic in DV. HDR is more than just bright and vivid. It also adjusts the depth of the image as a whole.
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I don't understand; why not take 20 min and do the usb update and start enjoying this now
That's true, I downloaded it in USB very first day, then I saw folks complaining about DV & black flashes. Also I don't have any DV content and not subbed to Netflix. My UHD player X800 doesn't support DV. Right there is no reason to upgrade. And bit worried about black flashes some the users have and Sony support ack that is an issue. Anyways I will keep reading this thread for updates.
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