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I've got a Q9FN which is absolutely perfect in uniformity, with no DSE, banding, tint or whatever.

I'm thinking of buying an OLED next, probably a B8 if I can find it cheap.

Reading this thread it seems like banding and uniformity issues are worst with OLEDs than LEDs? Is that so? I thought it was the other way around.

I'm extremely happy that I got an excellent panel with the Q9FN, so I'm hesitant to play the lottery again.

How common are these uniformity issues with OLEDs? Do all of them have banding and tint to some degree?

I do watch sports from time to time, and my panel is 100% perfect for that.

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has anyone posted 5% near black on the C9 or A9G yet? if so can someone provide links. Thank you.

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I would keep that. The line on the top and bottom is just from watching letter box movies. That will go away once the tv runs a cycle.
Thank you. I ran the pixel refresher 3 times, but made no difference. Had the tv for 7 days now. When is the cycle expected to happen?
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Thank you. I ran the pixel refresher 3 times, but made no difference. Had the tv for 7 days now. When is the cycle expected to happen?
Every 4 hours of use after you turn off the tv it will run.
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Mine has about the same amount of tinting as yours does but I don’t notice it all that often. My banding is significantly better than my first panel. To me banding is the big issue since it’s much more visible.
Does the tinting improve? Some say it has but I believe they might have just gotten used to it or some have said in certain angles it is less noticeable. I have until mid June to exchange/return the set so I'm still debating.
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Does the tinting improve? Some say it has but I believe they might have just gotten used to it or some have said in certain angles it is less noticeable. I have until mid June to exchange/return the set so I'm still debating.
IMO tinting is what it is. You just either notice it less or stop paying attention to it if it's minimal. Banding definitely can change over time (usually for the better).
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Does the tinting improve? Some say it has but I believe they might have just gotten used to it or some have said in certain angles it is less noticeable. I have until mid June to exchange/return the set so I'm still debating.
I checked mine when it arrived and didn't have any. After 2 weeks it had. Since then it's about the same.

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has anyone posted 5% near black on the C9 or A9G yet? if so can someone provide links. Thank you.
That is my c9
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I would keep that. The line on the top and bottom is just from watching letter box movies. That will go away once the tv runs a cycle.
On a scale of 1 to 5, with 5 being absolutely. May i ask how sure you are that those horizontal lines on top and bottom will go away after 200hours cycle?

If it doesn’t I should contact the Retailer for a replacement soon.

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That is my c9
Thanks, that looks pretty good. How many panel hours on that picture? Has it gotten better. I assume your happy with your set.

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That is my c9
Thanks, that looks pretty good. How many panel hours on that picture? Has it gotten better. I assume your happy with your set.
This is my second c9, the first one was brighter around 800 nits but i had a round blob whivh i could see in content.
This one is around 720 nits calibrated and i cant see anything when watching content
Also my 100 percent white is perfect, no tint.
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This is my second c9, the first one was brighter around 800 nits but i had a round blob whivh i could see in content.
This one is around 720 nits calibrated and i cant see anything when watching content
Also my 100 percent white is perfect, no tint.
Keep it. I’m assuming it has low hours so the image you posted as your banding stands now should/could improve. No apparent tinting is big. I will not pull out my wallet for an upgrade until I can be guaranteed that tinting will be minimal or zero.

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That is my c9
Thanks, that looks pretty good. How many panel hours on that picture? Has it gotten better. I assume your happy with your set.
This is my second c9, the first one was brighter around 800 nits but i had a round blob whivh i could see in content.
This one is around 720 nits calibrated and i cant see anything when watching content
Also my 100 percent white is perfect, no tint.
Let me see that clean 100% white 🤔
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That is my c9
I must not understand how OLED works. To me that looks awful.

It doesn't affect picture quality in dark scenes having that uniformity?

I don't understand. If it looks that terrible IMO, then why are people saying it's good???

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I don't understand. If it looks that terrible IMO, then why are people saying it's good???
Because it can be waaay worse

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That is my c9
Thanks, that looks pretty good. How many panel hours on that picture? Has it gotten better. I assume your happy with your set.
This is my second c9, the first one was brighter around 800 nits but i had a round blob whivh i could see in content.
This one is around 720 nits calibrated and i cant see anything when watching content
Also my 100 percent white is perfect, no tint.
C9, 20 hours

Let me see that clean 100% white 🤔
C9, 20 hours https://imgur.com/a/5GVUwP6
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LG C8 screen uniformity

In the process of returning an LG C8 55", the second set I've tried. First one had a bright stuck pixel, or possibly several, the size of a pinhead, that could be seen in almost any scene at 15' away. Returned the next day after a manual pixel refresh did nothing. Sent it back before I knew of any uniformity issues, but certainly nothing noticeable like the second C8. Besides the very annoying stuck pixel(s) the picture was impressive, so I went for another one.

Just over 200 hours on this second set (no gaming, no news channel, streaming is main content) noticed very early some picture quality issues, but wanted to let it settle, as advised here and other places. The uniformity issues never changed enough to notice from coming out of the box. Tested on all inputs with multiple sources (including B-Ray disc) and internal apps with no change. Followed the settings from the first post in a dark room for the second set:

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First three pictures of factory pattern IRE 5, 10, and 15 respectively pretty clearly shows uniformity issues to me, with black/dark cloudiness in the upper right corner. Also has that strange circle/bug artifact at the bottom (but not seen in content,) right of center, and there's a faint one in the same position but left of center, maybe lost in the lighter part of the screen during a picture. Almost looks like something from manufacturing? There's some banding in there which I don't seem to notice in nearly any content, but the uniformity issues may be hiding it.

The brightness in the lower left creates weird artifacts at 50 brightness in normal viewing like pictured in the the last two photos (Dark Knight, 6:22 and 6:33.) Notice the "double ladder" of brighter pixels in the left side of the letterbox, this goes all the way up the screen to the top. In addition there is noticeable noise in darker scenes in this corner, and dark scenes can show some stage lighting (?) from the left side of the screen as well. Meanwhile, very limited definition of shadows in the upper right, and increasing brightness has the obvious effect of washing out the rest of the screen.

I fell like I'm crazy to go for a third but that picture I saw on the first one (minus stuck pixel) and on a friend's C8 (such depth in the picture compared to LCD) makes me want to spin the wheel...
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I went to see John Wick today and at one point during a dark scene I caught myself thinking "wow this screen looks pretty clean" and realized "duh what are you expecting? Jail bars?"
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Hi Toto & All,
Here are some picks of my 2nd C9. The near black banding is almost non-existent but, The white and near white still have Magenta tint on right side, smaller section left of center and smaller section left edge. What makes it worse is in-between the magenta is cyan. and it is noticeable in some content with lighter images eg, Black and white, Light gray sky or walls and snow. Tried turning color all the way down, but has no effect on tinting. Seems to me this would mess up any calibration attempt. Sometimes I don't notice it but other times it jumps out like a sore thumb. If I had any confidence that the tinting would fade or smooth out over time I would definitely keep it. As of now I'm leaning toward another swap. Has anybody ever had the tinting fade over time?


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I feel like my yellow tint subsided a bit over time, but then again it seems to vary so I don’t know for sure. I’d keep that C9 the way near black looks. The tinting is a bummer. Good luck!

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Hi Toto & All,
Here are some picks of my 2nd C9. The near black banding is almost non-existent [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG] but, The white and near white still have Magenta tint on right side, smaller section left of center and smaller section left edge. What makes it worse is in-between the magenta is cyan. and it is noticeable in some content with lighter images eg, Black and white, Light gray sky or walls and snow. Tried turning color all the way down, but has no effect on tinting. Seems to me this would mess up any calibration attempt. Sometimes I don't notice it but other times it jumps out like a sore thumb. If I had any confidence that the tinting would fade or smooth out over time I would definitely keep it. As of now I'm leaning toward another swap. Has anybody ever had the tinting fade over time?


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That right side seems like a lot of tint even on the 10% gray.
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I recently ran a manual pixel refresh (after about 1250 hours) and two new dark bands developed. Should I be worried? (I've probably used the TV for 15 hours so far since the manual refresh). Is it normal for a band to follow as the camera pans?

I've read somewhere that with 50-100 hours of use, newly developed bands from the manual refresh should fade, but just wanted to get everyones thoughts and insight.

Also is it normal to develop horizontal bands with use as well (Skinny Lines)?
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I recently ran a manual pixel refresh (after about 1250 hours) and two new dark bands developed. Should I be worried? (I've probably used the TV for 15 hours so far since the manual refresh). Is it normal for a band to follow as the camera pans?
Only be worried if the bands are still there after a week or so. Resist the temptation to run another manual pixel refresh.

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I've read somewhere that with 50-100 hours of use, newly developed bands from the manual refresh should fade, but just wanted to get everyones thoughts and insight.

Also is it normal to develop horizontal bands with use as well (Skinny Lines)?
difficult to say, not normally, but please post a pic using the settings in the first post for more people to judge that one.

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So how many hours/cycles should I wait until before being concerned with uniformity? Just setup a 65C8 yesterday and the far left quarter of the screen is much darker than the rest at 5%. I scored it from the $999 Walmart clearance sale, so I can with deal it to a certain degree given that my only other option is to return it and pay significantly more elsewhere. Sounds like LG won't do jack for this warranty wise, but I may pickup the Square Trade extended warranty from Costco.
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I would wait 100 hours (run slides if you want to do it quickly). Especially for things like blobs a lot of times those go away once the set has enough hours on it. The bands will typically lessen a bit over the first 100-200 hours but they rarely go away completely. If you have a band that REALLY sticks out early on it's likely not to improve enough to go away for example.

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Question Please can anyone let me know what you think of my panel - see photo.

Please can anyone let me know what you think of my panel - see photo.
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Looks very good. Any tinting in near White to 100% white?
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