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Is it known if the tinting thing is a result of (only) an outer antireflective coating, or something more intrinsic to the panel construction or design? I watch enough B&W material that I'm at least as concerned (if not more) about the tint issue as I am the banding issue.
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I recently bought a A8G and have used it for about 35 hours. What are your thoughts and is it a keeper?
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That's another good looking 2019 panel. The blotchy spots should clear up a bit more, but I'm assuming they're already not visible in regular content.

I received an A1E yesterday and it has terrible uniformity compared to my C9. Much worse tinting and banding.

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That's another good looking 2019 panel. The blotchy spots should clear up a bit more, but I'm assuming they're already not visible in regular content.

I received an A1E yesterday and it has terrible uniformity compared to my C9. Much worse tinting and banding.

Thank you! Being as I am kind of new to OLED's, how long does it usually take for a panel to stabilize and not go through many changes? I assume you were implying that possibly the blotchy spots could fade away after more hours of TV use.
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Thank you! Being as I am kind of new to OLED's, how long does it usually take for a panel to stabilize and not go through many changes? I assume you were implying that possibly the blotchy spots could fade away after more hours of TV use.
Probably after a couple of hundred hours or so you’ll know what you have.

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Is it known if the tinting thing is a result of (only) an outer antireflective coating, or something more intrinsic to the panel construction or design? I watch enough B&W material that I'm at least as concerned (if not more) about the tint issue as I am the banding issue.
I can’t be sure without searching it, but for some reason I think I remember D-Nice saying that it’s panel construction and not the coating. I could be wrong so if anyone is willing to peel off their coating so we can end the debate I’m all ears...er...eyes.

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Is it known if the tinting thing is a result of (only) an outer antireflective coating, or something more intrinsic to the panel construction or design? I watch enough B&W material that I'm at least as concerned (if not more) about the tint issue as I am the banding issue.
I'm in doubt that antireflective coating is a cause of tint. I think it's a panel lottery or may be some difference in production parties. I have 65B8PLA right now and was 55B8S owner in half of year ago. They are different definitely. 55BS had some green tint in white color and mild banding. 65B8PLA has good white color without any tint at all and banding is not existent almost.
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Seat position definitely effects tint on my 65C8.
I sit just left of centre and get a tiny bit of yellow left third, blue right third. If I sit right off centre I get the opposite.
Hardly noticeable, maybe tad more with grass in soccer and the golf Open I'm watching now.
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Did you notice a change in tint from prior to calibration?

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??? ... I can't imagine calibrating effecting panel tint (which is a physical manufacturing flaw...the adhesives drying I think I've read).
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You can't change tint by calibrating in any way...
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I'm happy with the results of my TV, there is a little bit of banding but it's not noticeable with normal usage

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About 200 hours of time in.
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I can’t be sure without searching it, but for some reason I think I remember D-Nice saying that it’s panel construction and not the coating. I could be wrong so if anyone is willing to peel off their coating so we can end the debate I’m all ears...er...eyes.
IIRC something to do with uneven evaporation when stacking the emissive layers of the OLED panel. Hopefully something fixed with jet printed OLED, although new methods will probably come with their own issues.
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Wow. My A1E went from hopeless to excellent on the banding front. I wish the tint would fade the same way!

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Wow. My A1E went from hopeless to excellent on the banding front. I wish the tint would fade the same way!
Yeah I can stomach the banding now because I barely see it...although this season of Stranger Things seems to be doing what it can to remind me that it still exists. The yellow tint I see all the time. It seemingly varies in intensity except never goes away.

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Hi guys!

As per my first post in this thread i mentioned that I on my Sony 65" AF8 could see some color uniformity issues(vignetting) on certain brighter colors like on different shades of yellow.
However i hadn't seen it on any real content until a couple of days ago watching "Breaking Bad" when i loaded up "Season 3 Episode 1 - No Más" and during the intro mexico scene where they have applied this yellow filter in the desert i noticed it quite clearly see a red tint on the left side of the picture, especially during the first 5 seconds of the episode when the camera is panning down over clouds.
It got me thinking if this was something i could live with or if I should use my warranty with the store.

Since my set is still quite new ~280h, i tought it was time to see what "Panel Refresh" could do for both banding, and perhaps this red tint as well(see 20190719_Image1.jpg), well, at least I wouldnt get any surprises after ~1y+ as per Sony's recommendation and still be on manufacturer warranty.
And you know what, I actually believe I do see an improvement to the red tint, it definitely looks more faded than before, and at that point I was leaning towards keeping the set.

However, with that said, after i had run the Panel Refresh on Friday night everything looked ok with a slight improvement to banding as well as the red tint as mentioned above(see 20190720_Image2.jpg)... BUT!
After having a Breaking Bad marathon yesterday(Saturday) i noticed this, see "20190721_Image3.jpg" while loading YouTube app!
Ironically, i loaded YouTube just to have a check for banding on the 5% grey, as I've read you should run the set for a couple of hours before one can see the real result after Panel Refresh, hence the my Breaking Bad marathon ~6h!
I mean holy s***, i thought my set was toasted and went to bed with a bad feeling that I now definetely need to RMA my set... BUT!..

Starting my tv today(Sunday) it seems like it's all gone away over the night!
I can just assume it must have run the automatic refresh and fixed this but I will have to wait until tonight and take some new photos since its impossible to get a good view on it during daylight.

But I just wanted to share how quickly things can get awkward with this banding issue..
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I am in the process of rewatching Breaking Bad on my A9G and have noticed that the desert scenes are true magenta tint torture test. I do see some slight red push on the edges, but it's no worse than expected and is tolerable. I would recommend not viewing 5% slides constantly if you don't notice banding in content, as the frequent changes in uniformity will drive you crazy.
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Yeah I can stomach the banding now because I barely see it...although this season of Stranger Things seems to be doing what it can to remind me that it still exists. The yellow tint I see all the time. It seemingly varies in intensity except never goes away.
I don't have any of the larger, lighter bands on my C9 or A1E. Only during the most challenging scenes do I faintly notice what looks like minor DSE. Can't say it bothers me at all. I have slight indistinct yellow tinting on my C9, but my A1E has similar yellow tinting flanked by magenta tinting which is noticeable in more content.

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Hi guys!

As per my first post in this thread i mentioned that I on my Sony 65" AF8 could see some color uniformity issues(vignetting) on certain brighter colors like on different shades of yellow.
However i hadn't seen it on any real content until a couple of days ago watching "Breaking Bad" when i loaded up "Season 3 Episode 1 - No Más" and during the intro mexico scene where they have applied this yellow filter in the desert i noticed it quite clearly see a red tint on the left side of the picture, especially during the first 5 seconds of the episode when the camera is panning down over clouds.
It got me thinking if this was something i could live with or if I should use my warranty with the store.
If you're noticing color uniformity that infrequently, I'd say you probably have an above average set and there's a good chance you'd end up with something worse in a swap.

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Looking through these is tempting me to go back and have a look at some grey slides and participate, but I don't think I can put myself through it again.

I'm on my 4th replacement B8 and my last one was pretty perfect in terms of uniformity but had a fair few too many dead pixels. The replacement I got last month seems to be temperamental, with some sittings not showing any bands whatsoever and overs showing but hardly ever in actual content.

I've done one manual refresh since receiving this replacement at the start of the month. I don't think I've ever given any of my previous models a lot of time to see if they would improve, is this a possibility with time? I watch atleast 4 hours a day.
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I am in the process of rewatching Breaking Bad on my A9G and have noticed that the desert scenes are true magenta tint torture test. I do see some slight red push on the edges, but it's no worse than expected and is tolerable. I would recommend not viewing 5% slides constantly if you don't notice banding in content, as the frequent changes in uniformity will drive you crazy.
Yep, hence why I shared that sand desert colored video from YouTube last week as a torture test for red tint. If you have red enough tint, it will also make your greens on grass for golf in particular where it’s lighter shades show through.
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Here is my first 55C8 after about 35 hours and 1 pixel refresher. What do you guys think, how bad is it? I dont notice it much in content but that picture looks pretty terrible. I'm running out of time to return and I don't know what to do.
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Here is my first 55C8 after about 35 hours and 1 pixel refresher. What do you guys think, how bad is it? I dont notice it much in content but that picture looks pretty terrible. I'm running out of time to return and I don't know what to do.
You really need more hours to see if the screen evens out. Between 35 and say 100 plus hours a lot can change. If you’re running out of time for a return I’d run slides to pick up the pace. Good luck!

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I bit the bullet and took the pictures. The light in the top left is a reflection I just couldn't block out, and the slight blurs are a little bit of image retention from a HUD on Rage 2.

Is this a keeper? I'm approx 150 hours into this TV, let me know.

LG B8 5% https://imgur.com/gallery/RpXxP9Q
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I am in the process of rewatching Breaking Bad on my A9G and have noticed that the desert scenes are true magenta tint torture test. I do see some slight red push on the edges, but it's no worse than expected and is tolerable. I would recommend not viewing 5% slides constantly if you don't notice banding in content, as the frequent changes in uniformity will drive you crazy.
Your absolutely right to avoid doing it to much.
I think if you've just bought your set, you would want to inspect how good/bad to avoid any nasty surprises down the road, and this before any return policy is voided.
After that you'd better of simply enjoy youe set and if you see anything in real content, then take actions i guess.
In my case above it all started with me noticing the red tint for the first time and later on that scary dark smear i got.


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If you're noticing color uniformity that infrequently, I'd say you probably have an above average set and there's a good chance you'd end up with something worse in a swap.
Yeah, I think so, but since I have no reference on what supposedly is good nor bad, this is completely subjective.
But I have decided it doesnt bother me enough to gamble on a replacement.


Lastly i just wanted to give u guys an update on that dark smear situation.
I've now confirmed that it has actually completely resolved by the "automatic panel refresh" over a night turned off.

Here are the before and after pictures.
So all is good *puh*
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I have my new a9g for 2 days now. It’s looking promising in terms of banding. I watched ep 1 season 3 of stranger things and i didn’t see any banding.... at least to the effect that i know i would have seen on my LG. There was one dark pan where i could tell i was “seeing” my bands because it wasn’t entirely uniform but i couldn’t pick out individual bands which means i don’t really notice unless i’m being critical like i am now with a new set!

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Def having the left side banding issue that’s only getting worse. 300+ hours in. What’s the best course of action, returning for a new TV set or having lg replace the panel? Thanks for the help!
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Seat position definitely effects tint on my 65C8.
I sit just left of centre and get a tiny bit of yellow left third, blue right third. If I sit right off centre I get the opposite.
Hardly noticeable, maybe tad more with grass in soccer and the golf Open I'm watching now.
Is this standard on all OLED’s? I notice the same on my new C9 and want to understand if that’s normal.
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