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post #8851 of 9264 Old 05-20-2020, 02:27 PM - Thread Starter
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You mentioned it was glossed over in this very thread. Just making it clear that many members who post in here have called out that very issue and asked owners if it represented what they were seeing with their own eyes. It’s usually followed with are you seeing it in everyday content.
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So... as an lurker here and now LG OLED newbie here goes... Rollin' the panel dice. Got a brand new LG 65 CX about 3 weeks ago, UK top dollar. Manufactured April 2020, Poland. I'll briefly mention how amazing the OLED is vs Panny LED 6yrs old. Right...

Watched some Blu-Rays in cinema home dark room, started to notice darker and weird colour patches in dark content on the left of screen. So dug out this thread and ran the test 5% as described top of post plus some of the torture scenes. Basically a couple of really nasty patches of dark screen plus weird purple/green tinting around them. Main point being it's noticeable in content, even ironically HDR test videos from LG on logo fades etc plus dark movie scenes.

Then... an obvious white vertical line just appeared on the TV and would not budge even after few 10's hours for auto-comp. Thin but very white line and top to bottom. So obvious even my wife said it was bad :-).

Spoke to authorised UK retailer I got it from (John Lewis) and they were brilliant. Looked at screen grabs, checked with LG, said there's obviously a problem beyond normal banding and offered replacement immediately. In fact they suggested a C9 which I've taken and just arrived (made Jan 2020, Poland).

The C9's not perfect out of box anyway, there is some vignette type fading generally to the left at 5% but a lot more gradual and doesn't catch your eye. But tinting is really good and banding low, but a bit. More to the point the bit of un-uniformity is really not noticeable in any of the same content I've been testing it against, so it looks like a keeper. And this is out of box, I understand over next hours it should improve. I'll save the functionality differences for the LG thread.

Test shots below are same pics in same conditions, except the CX was with about 100 hours on and the C9 literally out of box. The images are very much accentuated as I'm using a iPhone 11 Pro in Night Mode so it really blows up the contrast differences and does a few weird things. But I would say the colouring (on CX 5% for example) is what you see in the room, as are the shots from movies.

CX 5% with about 100 hours on
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729924&thumb=1

CX 100% tint
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729926&thumb=1

CX The Gentleman content 1
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729936&thumb=1

CX The Gentleman content 2
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729928&thumb=1

CX logo
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729930&thumb=1

CX white vertical line x2
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729932&thumb=1
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729934&thumb=1

C9 5% out of box
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729944&thumb=1

C9 100% tint
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729916&thumb=1

C9 The Gentleman content 1
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729918&thumb=1

C9 The Gentleman content 2
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Here are 5% and 10% pics of my 77C9 with 153 hours on it.

Love the size! But the screen uniformity leaves something to be desired. It has some vignetting on both sides (mostly on the right). The lowest fifth of the panel is noticeably brighter than the rest. This is most pronounced on the darkest slides (1 - 3%) and becomes less apparent as the panel gets brighter (although I think it's still just detectable at 10%).

On the other hand, the panel has no noticeable tinting (the white is almost perfect) and - while there is some banding - the edges are soft, so it's rarely detectable, even in challenging content such as the scenes in Marco Polo and The Arrival. (Banding showed up most in the scene from Mindhunters mentioned on the first page of this thread. What a torture test! Fortunately, content with such lighting is rare.)

I like having a set that rarely shows banding, and the vignetting doesn't bother me a lot, but I am concerned about that brighter bottom fifth. Just above black, the bottom part of the image can have a glow similar to an edge-lit LCD. I've had Chad B. calibrate my sets in the past (I highly recommend him!). I'm unsure what compromises such variation in luminance may necessitate during calibration.

A few years ago, the common wisdom on these threads advised that the 77" panel sizes tended to have the best uniformity. What I've read more recently suggests that the opposite is now true.

What do you think? How likely am I to get a more uniform 77-inch panel if I exchange this?

The 5% slide came out largely black when using the settings on the first page of this thread, so I boosted the OLED setting to 39 (as per Dave Katzmaier's suggested settings in his review on CNET). My iPhone 7 has exaggerated the contrast in the 5% photo significantly. NOTHING is black to the eye, although the vignetting is darker, and the bottom of the screen does appear brighter.

Give your experiences, what would you advise me to do?
hi there, you had asked me for my uniformity pics, so here they are. my panel has 512 hours on it. not sure why they dont rotate correctly but if you save to your computer you should be able to rotate. not the best uniformity but not the worse either. i do see it in content sometimes but it's so quick that its hardly distracting.
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So... as an lurker here and now LG OLED newbie here goes... Rollin' the panel dice. Got a brand new LG 65 CX about 3 weeks ago, UK top dollar. Manufactured April 2020, Poland. I'll briefly mention how amazing the OLED is vs Panny LED 6yrs old. Right...

Watched some Blu-Rays in cinema home dark room, started to notice darker and weird colour patches in dark content on the left of screen. So dug out this thread and ran the test 5% as described top of post plus some of the torture scenes. Basically a couple of really nasty patches of dark screen plus weird purple/green tinting around them. Main point being it's noticeable in content, even ironically HDR test videos from LG on logo fades etc plus dark movie scenes.

Then... an obvious white vertical line just appeared on the TV and would not budge even after few 10's hours for auto-comp. Thin but very white line and top to bottom. So obvious even my wife said it was bad :-).

Spoke to authorised UK retailer I got it from (John Lewis) and they were brilliant. Looked at screen grabs, checked with LG, said there's obviously a problem beyond normal banding and offered replacement immediately. In fact they suggested a C9 which I've taken and just arrived (made Jan 2020, Poland).

The C9's not perfect out of box anyway, there is some vignette type fading generally to the left at 5% but a lot more gradual and doesn't catch your eye. But tinting is really good and banding low, but a bit. More to the point the bit of un-uniformity is really not noticeable in any of the same content I've been testing it against, so it looks like a keeper. And this is out of box, I understand over next hours it should improve. I'll save the functionality differences for the LG thread.

Test shots below are same pics in same conditions, except the CX was with about 100 hours on and the C9 literally out of box. The images are very much accentuated as I'm using a iPhone 11 Pro in Night Mode so it really blows up the contrast differences and does a few weird things. But I would say the colouring (on CX 5% for example) is what you see in the room, as are the shots from movies.

CX 5% with about 100 hours on
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729924&thumb=1

CX 100% tint
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729926&thumb=1

CX The Gentleman content 1
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729936&thumb=1

CX The Gentleman content 2
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CX logo
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729930&thumb=1

CX white vertical line x2
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729932&thumb=1
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729934&thumb=1

C9 5% out of box
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729944&thumb=1

C9 100% tint
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729916&thumb=1

C9 The Gentleman content 1
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729918&thumb=1

C9 The Gentleman content 2
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729920&thumb=1

C9 logo
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attac...729922&thumb=1
So all of the C9 pics are out of the box shots? A lot of that should clear up hopefully. Like to see a shot or two of the same images after some auto cycles have run. Good luck!

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So all of the C9 pics are out of the box shots? A lot of that should clear up hopefully. Like to see a shot or two of the same images after some auto cycles have run. Good luck!
Yes C9 literally 2h on it last night when I took the shots after I'd hung it up, really to get a 'things can only get better' position. As I said, the C9 isn't impacting content unlike the CX. I hope so too - will let folks know if any newsworthy updates...
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Thanks for explaining what you meant. While I agree some people will look for any “defect” to obsess over, it’s understandable when someone spends a couple of grand (in my case stupidly jumping in at the high end at almost 4K) on a product to want to make sure it’s not defective...especially if they see something that’s not normal that catches their eye. I’m not going to get on anyone’s case for wanting to know if their purchase is working properly especially when there’s enough evidence to show a problem actually exists.
4k is cheap compared to what some of us paid, it's all relative (4 times that because of the 3D addiction and the FOMO prospect). Oh, and you don't need a perfectly calibrated PC or laptop monitor to pick up on visible OLED screen uniformity anomalies.
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4k is cheap compared to what some of us paid, it's all relative (4 times that because of the 3D addiction and the FOMO prospect). Oh, and you don't need a perfectly calibrated PC or laptop monitor to pick up on visible OLED screen uniformity anomalies.
True that it’s all relative. You still contemplating taking advantage of your extended warranty?

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Just skimmed through the CX vs. A8H shootout video posted on youtube a couple days ago. Their camera couldn't capture any of the near-black uniformity but the near-white was interesting. LG CX on left and Sony A8H on right. I kept the timeline in screen grabs so you can check the same time offset yourself. Maybe we need to add these snow scenes to our list.

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just skimmed through the cx vs. A8h shootout video posted on youtube a couple days ago. Their camera couldn't capture any of the near-black uniformity but the near-white was interesting. Lg cx on left and sony a8h on right. I kept the timeline in screen grabs so you can check the same time offset yourself. Maybe we need to add these snow scenes to our list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ugolfqygo
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Just skimmed through the CX vs. A8H shootout video posted on youtube a couple days ago. Their camera couldn't capture any of the near-black uniformity but the near-white was interesting. LG CX on left and Sony A8H on right. I kept the timeline in screen grabs so you can check the same time offset yourself. Maybe we need to add these snow scenes to our list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ugOlfqYGo
I’ll add it later today and ouch.

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Right so that LG CX from the demo went back to LG because of the magenta tint.

So far i've looked at six CXs and five were very uniform with virtually no tinting and or banding and one failed and had to go back to LG.
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I've seen this on three 2020 LGs so far and they have all were fixed after a compensation cycle. It won't come back. We did have a CX with magenta tinting that's visible with content and going back to LG. That problem with the GX really is disturbing. It's almost like the pixel refresh is not actually working. I've never seen that.
It looks extremely similar to my first C9 panel, adding the picture of it again here. 200 hours did nothing to it and it was visible in a lot of near dark tv scenes on Netflix.
Adding some more captures of this problem at my 65GX (made april 2020, Poland).

Shots made while watching Netflix’ The Letter for the King S01E04. First two shots between min 13-17, last two shots between min 23-26. All dark scenes. Maybe add these to the list of shame?

My shop will exchange the tv in about 2 to 3 weeks. So that’s another lottery ticket.
Btw. my wife doesn't even notice that dark spot while watching. Can you believe that??
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Adding some more captures of this problem at my 65GX (made april 2020, Poland).

Shots made while watching Netflix’ The Letter for the King S01E04. First two shots between min 13-17, last two shots between min 23-26. All dark scenes. Maybe add these to the list of shame?

My shop will exchange the tv in about 2 to 3 weeks. So that’s another lottery ticket.
Btw. my wife doesn't even notice that dark spot while watching. Can you believe that??

Yeah that looks exactly like what I was experiencing, yours seems a bit large of an area even. It's really not a fun experience constantly feeling uneasy about a darker void on the left of the screen whenever there's a dark scene.... My replacement has so far been good hopefully yours will be as well.
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Adding some more captures of this problem at my 65GX (made april 2020, Poland).

Shots made while watching Netflix’ The Letter for the King S01E04. First two shots between min 13-17, last two shots between min 23-26. All dark scenes. Maybe add these to the list of shame?

My shop will exchange the tv in about 2 to 3 weeks. So that’s another lottery ticket.
Btw. my wife doesn't even notice that dark spot while watching. Can you believe that??
Totally believe the wife thing. I’ll add these shots as well.
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Right so that LG CX from the demo went back to LG because of the magenta tint.

So far i've looked at six CXs and five were very uniform with virtually no tinting and or banding and one failed and had to go back to LG.
1/6 is still a very high defect rate for a premium TV. One has to wonder if LG performs any QC at all before boxing them up. It's a major inconvenience for customers to have to swap/return a TV - sometimes with shipping/restocking fees if purchased online. Regarding your in-house QC procedure used to reject such panels, are they judged subjectively or do you measure the degree of tint using a meter as explained earlier in this thread?

Have you looked at enough Sony A8H models yet to compare the defect rates?
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1/6 is still a very high defect rate for a premium TV. One has to wonder if LG performs any QC at all before boxing them up. It's a major inconvenience for customers to have to swap/return a TV - sometimes with shipping/restocking fees if purchased online. Regarding your in-house QC procedure used to reject such panels, are they judged subjectively or do you measure the degree of tint using a meter as explained earlier in this thread?

Have you looked at enough Sony A8H models yet to compare the defect rates?

That does puzzle me in a lot of industries they’d never get away with it. Maybe the yields are just too low if they ramp up the QC threshold and they hope most people won’t notice. I could wear that for bargain £400 TV but some people here I guess pay 10-20x that. It’s almost like they ought to grade the panels and offer high end customers a choice... I guess nobody outside of the supply chain will know overall defect stats, and people in the chain probably won’t say for confidentiality clauses I guess. Is there public data?


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1/6 is still a very high defect rate for a premium TV. One has to wonder if LG performs any QC at all before boxing them up. It's a major inconvenience for customers to have to swap/return a TV - sometimes with shipping/restocking fees if purchased online. Regarding your in-house QC procedure used to reject such panels, are they judged subjectively or do you measure the degree of tint using a meter as explained earlier in this thread?

Have you looked at enough Sony A8H models yet to compare the defect rates?
We always measure the sets but at the end of the day, you have to make a determination visually with multiple samples of content on what's acceptable or you would be sending most of the TVs back to LG since none are ever 100% perfect. I know some people say they have a perfect panel but anyone who looks at these sets every day can pick out some issue. It's just the way the technology is. I have two 55CXs, one i'm going to keep, both i consider to be a "A" panels. Virtually no tinting and incredibly bright but even on these panels i can show you some very slight tinting. It's just the way it is.

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OLED Screen Uniformity Discussion-Banding and Vignetting

I think I’m going to ask for a panel replacement and a new mainboard. I’ve had this 77 inch lg C9 since November, but it hasn’t gotten better.




I also have pretty bad pink tint at an angle that for some reason is worse with my pc hooked up to it than with Apple TV, but still there. Straight on viewing is pretty uniform.




Finally if I use gsync with either WiFi or Ethernet connection to tv, I get these random screen flashes. If I disable internet that problem goes away. Which I think is the mainboard and why I’d ask to get that replaced. I was told they were working on a firmware to fix this way back in December, but I think it’s a hardware issue affecting a minority of owners. Firmware updates have come and the issue still persists.



I already had the power supply replaced because I had really loud coil whine in dark scenes.


So essentially I’d be getting the entire tv replaced at this point with a new panel, mainboard and power supply all having issues.
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Looks like this year's entry level Panasonic near-black uniformity is similar to the LG. Same dark patch on the left that was posted here a few days ago for the CX. You can also see some vertical banding that is masked by the heavy youtube blurring and compression artifacts. Near white looks decent on this sample. See attached screenshot.

Hopefully their flagship customized panel on the HZ2000 will perform as well as last year's GZ2000.

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We always measure the sets but at the end of the day, you have to make a determination visually with multiple samples of content on what's acceptable or you would be sending most of the TVs back to LG since none are ever 100% perfect. I know some people say they have a perfect panel but anyone who looks at these sets every day can pick out some issue. It's just the way the technology is. I have two 55CXs, one i'm going to keep, both i consider to be a "A" panels. Virtually no tinting and incredibly bright but even on these panels i can show you some very slight tinting. It's just the way it is.
I think you would have a lot more people willing to pay for this pre-screening QC service done by Value Electronics if they could provide something in writing. This would keep expectations in check and prevent disappointed customers expecting perfect panels. You could also offer a binning service where unicorn panels with exceptional results could be sold for an even higher price premium.

I long for the days when a TV manufacturer would offer a factory calibration report in the box, the way $600 (cheap compared to premium TVs) computer monitors do. I attached a sample report that comes with a Dell computer monitor. Other premium monitor brands do the same. Notice how this report includes color uniformity reported in a 5x5 checkerboard pattern. This way you know exactly what you're paying for instead of relying on subjective opinions.
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expecting every unit of every model to be clean is unrealistic, sure there will be cleaner hz1000's out there and there will also be units like the one pictured above or worse. the problem has its roots in a flawed vapor deposition manufacturing process that LGD employs to manufacture the panels, until there is a change in the core manufacturing process by lgd or a new oled tech (qd oled, rgb oled), this is a problem that will refuse to go away. it just has to be accepted like DSE on Fald lcd's.
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Adding some more captures of this problem at my 65GX (made april 2020, Poland).

Shots made while watching Netflix’ The Letter for the King S01E04. First two shots between min 13-17, last two shots between min 23-26. All dark scenes. Maybe add these to the list of shame?

My shop will exchange the tv in about 2 to 3 weeks. So that’s another lottery ticket.
Btw. my wife doesn't even notice that dark spot while watching. Can you believe that??
Wow, These scenes are extremely brutal, for any tv..

I am not here to start a Plasma vs Oled discussion again, but as a Plasma owner I see these near black performance as the biggest issue with Oleds..

This is how my ST60 Plasma displays these scenes.. The dark details are smoothed out with the Plasma typical dithering and it looks quite fuzzy if you are very close to the screen, but from the typical viewing distance it really helps.

Now not everything is perfect in Plasma world either, because these scenes are so dark, that in a dark room you clearly can see the limitations of not true black levels of a Plasma TV..

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expecting every unit of every model to be clean is unrealistic, sure there will be cleaner hz1000's out there and there will also be units like the one pictured above or worse. the problem has its roots in a flawed vapor deposition manufacturing process that LGD employs to manufacture the panels, until there is a change in the core manufacturing process by lgd or a new oled tech (qd oled, rgb oled), this is a problem that will refuse to go away. it just has to be accepted like DSE on Fald lcd's.
VERY interesting.

First time I've read about a "reason" for this. (Perhaps others have touched on this and I missed it).
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I am not here to start a Plasma vs Oled discussion again, but as a Plasma owner I see these near black performance as the biggest issue with Oleds...
Yes, that is true. But you can't compare an HDR display tech to a SDR one

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Wow, These scenes are extremely brutal, for any tv..

I am not here to start a Plasma vs Oled discussion again, but as a Plasma owner I see these near black performance as the biggest issue with Oleds..

This is how my ST60 Plasma displays these scenes.. The dark details are smoothed out with the Plasma typical dithering and it looks quite fuzzy if you are very close to the screen, but from the typical viewing distance it really helps.

Now not everything is perfect in Plasma world either, because these scenes are so dark, that in a dark room you clearly can see the limitations of not true black levels of a Plasma TV..

Pictures are shot with different Iso settings
I missed your original plasma discussion. I'll have to check it out knowing it would prove an interesting read for me.
These tvs were so great with many still going strong, that they deserve a mention. This will be my turn.
The most worthy REFERENCE "standard" to measure ANY tv against. If anyone has another, please do tell!

I owned the ST50 and VT60 plasma. Great motion and black levels.
Next to the Kuro, the VT60 was the best plasma ever made. RIP.
With that tv, it reached it's pinnacle of true black levels as well as providing an unusual increase in brightness much greater than my ST50.

But for me, the brightness of the OLED obliterates any other concerns.
Up until now, the LED ruled the day and my plasma ruled the night. My OLED rules BOTH. Unreal contrast.

For me, the OLED strikes a "balance" that, until now, I never DREAMED was possible.

The ABL on plasmas was BEYOND an issue of it being aggressive or not. Unless it was a dark scene the panel was dingy dim. (Although not quite as bad with my VT60).

Yes we all have different tastes and I'm aware that my fellow plasma "brethren" are less than smitten with OLEDs after owning such awesome Panasonic plasmas. I still watch my plasma. It saved me from pulling my eyes out and has been going strong for years.

It was and STILL is my ONLY tv that has ZERO panel uniformity issues. (My LG's uniformity is in the top %, but it isn't perfect like my plasmas. I owned 4 Panasonic plasmas and NONE had uniformity issues of ANY kind. Banding, clouding, flashlighting, tinting, etc. Built like a tank too. My first one, my 2013 ST50 is still going strong! It's like an "old friend".
(How is the uniformity on YOUR ST60?)

LOVE the 3D on it too. I heard that OLED 3D was amazing too. I would think so with how bright it was. Because of plasma's superior fast smooth motion, it was the only 3D tv that didn't fatigue my eyes when watching 3D content.

In short, plasma and OLED are the ONLY tvs that made me happy and ended my endless Samsung LED nightmares.
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Adding some more captures of this problem at my 65GX (made april 2020, Poland).

Shots made while watching Netflix’️ The Letter for the King S01E04. First two shots between min 13-17, last two shots between min 23-26. All dark scenes. Maybe add these to the list of shame?

My shop will exchange the tv in about 2 to 3 weeks. So that’️s another lottery ticket.
Btw. my wife doesn't even notice that dark spot while watching. Can you believe that??
Wow, These scenes are extremely brutal, for any tv..

I am not here to start a Plasma vs Oled discussion again, but as a Plasma owner I see these near black performance as the biggest issue with Oleds..

This is how my ST60 Plasma displays these scenes.. The dark details are smoothed out with the Plasma typical dithering and it looks quite fuzzy if you are very close to the screen, but from the typical viewing distance it really helps.

Now not everything is perfect in Plasma world either, because these scenes are so dark, that in a dark room you clearly can see the limitations of not true black levels of a Plasma TV..

Pictures are shot with different Iso settings
Looks brilliant! So where can I buy a brand new plasma these days?
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Looks brilliant! So where can I buy a brand new plasma these days?
Bruce2019, Don't TELL him! I sure won't.

I can clearly tell with that smart*** attitude, he's just not READY.
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Do we have any 5% shots of the A8H yet? I’ve heard subjective reports, but no pics I don’t think.


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