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Since this is bothering me, i'll repost what I've posted in another thread

Does anyone know for sure that they have seen a tint in a completely white room where there are no outside reflections or lights? These camera shots are just not good enough to diagnose any kind of issue with a display. Even the banding, the only shots I've seen are on grey screens but unknown what the capture device settings are, and some very bad clearly defective screens showing almost white screens with bands.

I can see very faint bands in my set, but was never able to take a reasonably good shot in a theater setting in the evening, and never see it in any content even when I am looking for it.
Anyone able to capture their banding issue in content?
I can see it (yellow tint) in complete darkness but seating position is important. Also it seems to change from day to day. I say seems because I don’t know for sure it’s mind tricks.

I agree that getting a picture that shows exactly what I’m seeing is not easy. That’s why even the most amazing pics I see here that make me drool I’d have to see for myself playing content in a completely dark room.

I’m not saying people who post amazingly uniform panels are being disingenuous either. Just want to see the unicorn with my own eyes.
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I can see it (yellow tint) in complete darkness but seating position is important. Also it seems to change from day to day. I say seems because I don’t know for sure it’s mind tricks.

I agree that getting a picture that shows exactly what I’m seeing is not easy. That’s why even the most amazing pics I see here that make me drool I’d have to see for myself playing content in a completely dark room.

I’m not saying people who post amazingly uniform panels are being disingenuous either. Just want to see the unicorn with my own eyes.
The problem is that your tint may still be a reflection of something from the light emitted from the TV - this is why I am saying you really need to view in a white room with white light. Not saying there is no tint - but only that what you see may be influenced by many things that you don't take into account. You see the issue I am having with these reports.

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The problem is that your tint may still be a reflection of something from the light emitted from the TV - this is why I am saying you really need to view in a white room with white light. Not saying there is no tint - but only that what you see may be influenced by many things that you don't take into account. You see the issue I am having with these reports.
I don’t think it’s a reflection. I’ve had OLEDs and plasma TVs and only until I jumped on the OLED bandwagon has yellow tint been an issue. I wish it was as simple as a weird reflection.
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I don’t think it’s a reflection. I’ve had OLEDs and plasma TVs and only until I jumped on the OLED bandwagon has yellow tint been an issue. I wish it was as simple as a weird reflection.
Yeah, the tint is definitely not due to any kind of environmental factor, it is a defect of the 65"+ LG OLED panels. The 55" in same dark or well lit room at same location exhibited no tint issues. Every one has tint on the same left half of the TV in varying width.
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Not on my G6s (that I've noticed).
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Not on my G6s (that I've noticed).
2017 OLED 65"+ panels have this tint issue.

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^^^Not all of them, I don't see it all on my e6 or c7.
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Light: 100/50/35/20 ISF Mode (5%)

You are very lucky. That’s one of the cleanest ones I’ve ever seen.


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You set the picture mode to ISF Dark when you posted the 100% white slide, correct?

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Can you link to these posts (sorry I'm a lazy browser). I also do not think it's the AR coating based on some measurements I've done and I can probably dream up some ways of testing various theories. One thing I have noticed is in measuring the effect is that the WP shifts visually agree with the measurements on all white screens but I have a very hard time picking them out in mixed B/W video.
Sorry for the late replies. Don't have much time for this forum during the work week.

I posted some of my ideas a few pages back in this same thread here.

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Tinting on the other hand I believe is due to the anti-reflective filter they use on the screen. Every set I've ever looked at has this to one extent or another. The Sony's less than the LGs, I believe, although the panel is the same, they have different anti-reflective filters. (This is what was "implied" to me by a knowledgeable source, but I have not way to verify it). For most, calibration will help make it less or not visible with content while on others, it's a problem.
I hope they fix all this on next year's sets.
Can you provide a link to any TV where localized tinting was verified to be caused by an AR filter? I'm not aware of any such examples. Both on CRT and Plasma, localized color tints could be fixed or reduced by adjusting voltages or re-orienting the TV (in case of magnetic fields on CRT). AR filters played no role. Uneven application of AR filters did cause some streaking/DSE type effect in some cases but it was color neutral.

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I didn't realize that these LG panels had a color filter on them. That absolutely could be the cause, and could explain how, depending on the sample, you can see multiple colors. On both of my samples I saw a bias towards yellow, red/magenta, green, and blue/cyan- depending on what part of the screen I was looking at. A slight misalignment would block some subpixels while exposing others, but which subpixels are blocked would change as you move across the screen, resulting in the color shift.
It's what I told you weeks ago (see the link in my reply to zoyd above). Yet you kept arguing with me about AR layers on the TV.

I think the reason you're usually seeing the yellowing on the left of the 65" models and on the top of the 55" models is due to the way they are cut from the mother glass. The orientation/position of the cuts and amount of "scrap" disposed at the edges (where they can hide uniformity issues) likely plays a large role.

The color filters and emitter stack design has a lot of drawbacks when it comes to viewing angles. Any of the colors that are deeper in the stack are going to see a larger drop in intensity compared to closer colors as you move off angle. LG realized the same thing and that's why they sandwiched the other colors in between two blue emitters to reduce the effect (otherwise blue would drop out very quickly off angle from just bottom layer).

In the attached diagram, you can see the the structure of each sub-pixel. The reflective cathode would be on the top, transparent anode and color filter on the bottom.

These layers are evaporated onto the substrate so it's also possible that uneven deposition will also cause uneven color temperature across the panel surface. If the native color of these "white" stacks varies across the panel, that would also contribute to the localized tints we're seeing, even if the color filters were perfect.
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You set the picture mode to ISF Dark when you posted the 100% white slide, correct?

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Contrast 80. Brightness 51 . OLED Light 30
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Contrast 80. Brightness 51 . OLED Light 30
The display is ina Blacked out Cave
Nice, enjoy your tint free unicorn of a panel

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^^^its not as uncommon as you might think it is to have a tint free set.
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^^^its not as uncommon as you might think it is to have a tint free set.
I have tried 5 sets so far, each having a different month's build date and all have yellow or pink tint. I think most if not all have this tint issue and you really have to be lucky to get a tint free 65" B, C, E7

Most people don't notice the tint or don't care but most that notice seem to have similar experiences and have shared their frustration in this thread.


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Thats what this thread is for, with your amount of exchanges I can see your point of view, but trust me we are all picky on here, so at least in my case it's not that I don't care about it, it's that it's not their. Now banding that's a different story.
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Thats what this thread is for, with your amount of exchanges I can see your point of view, but trust me we are all picky on here, so at least in my case it's not that I don't care about it, it's that it's not their. Now banding that's a different story.
Sure, I believe you but I still think you're lucky to get the tint free set like one other poster here but majority have this issue I think. It's the same with the new phone screens LG is making which have the same exact tint issues.

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On any set, regardless of tech, anyone will be lucky with a uniform screen.
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On any set, regardless of tech, anyone will be lucky with a uniform screen.
I agree but this keeps coming up and it bugs me because there’s a difference between a not quite uniform screen and bands that pop up during content. My 500M had blotchy blacks. The difference was that it never showed in content and if I wanted to see it (I was not obsessed over it in any way. ) I had to be in a pitch black room and my eyes would need to adjust to it before it became apparent.

What we are getting on these OLED panels is unacceptable to me.

*Note: I see the awesomeness in this new tech as well.

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^^^agreed, trust me I wish LG could find a way to fix banding, but it's a problem they cannot seem to solve, it seemed like the 6 series took a big step forward but this year it's almost as bad as the 2015s.
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At least they should make the banding horizontal... not vertical

Most panning in tv and movies is left to right horizontal ... not vertical

If the banding was horizontal it would be so much less evident to our psyche

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Please guys, help me evaluate if i need a pannel replacement (B7 - 55``).
I got this half moon design vignetting / banding on the first picture, it only apears in near black slides (5% and 10%) on the lower left corner.
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About the tinting, I see people quoting they only see it on white screens or when looking for it, but then I must have a different issue, since on mine it is very easy to see. The left 5cm has a different tone and even brightness. Been playing a lot of Destiny 2 the last days and on the main screen this is already clear. Left part is yellowish. Sometimes a large white text pops up for example when entering a new area and the leftmost characters are clearly quite a bit more bright. Let alone viewing black and white content, which looks like someone pissed all over the screen. Strange things is, I dont see it at all on blue content or other colors except white, brownish and light grey. Mind this is visible when sitting right in the middle. If I move to the left quite a bit it goes away and it also is less visible when I stand up. It is a LOT more visible btw when viewing the tv from a large distance (large living space here). So I wonder if mine is a lot worse than others.
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If the tinting is visible on a 100% test pattern , then chances are big that it will also be visible in normal content.
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Been doing some more checks, seems the left 10 percent has a yellow cast fading out from edge to center, then it is about 50 percent uniform white and the last 40 percent is also yellowish but quite evenly, so not getting worse at the edge. This is seen easily on a 100 percent white screen. Guess I will need to send it back after all, even though banding is not that bad.
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If the tinting is visible on a 100% test pattern , then chances are big that it will also be visible in normal content.
Yeah same as banding. If you see it on a slide you’ll eventually see it on something else.

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Yeah same as banding. If you see it on a slide you’ll eventually see it on something else.
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Please guys, help me evaluate if i need a pannel replacement (B7 - 55``).
I got this half moon design vignetting / banding on the first picture, it only apears in near black slides (5% and 10%) on the lower left corner.
I forgot to mention my settings:
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I forgot to mention my settings:
ISF-dark config
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Uniformly-wise it looks par for the course, except for that lower corner. Others have posted similar issues. I wouldn’t keep it because of the weird corner issue.
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Please guys, help me evaluate if i need a pannel replacement (B7 - 55``).
I got this half moon design vignetting / banding on the first picture, it only apears in near black slides (5% and 10%) on the lower left corner.
I forgot to mention my settings:
ISF-dark config
oled 35
Contrast 80
Brightness 50
Since Sony settings are very different

What is the scale lg uses?

Oled light max 50?
Contrast max 100?
Brightness max 50?

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Since Sony settings are very different

What is the scale lg uses?

Oled light max 50?
Contrast max 100?
Brightness max 50?
Lg scale is 0-100 for for all settings.
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