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post #721 of 807 Old 05-01-2018, 04:09 PM
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Their 20 hours daily usage is little bit extreme, but by knowing your own daily screen-on -time, you can estimate your own burn-ins appearing schedule by simple division. It just takes that much longer burns to appear.
20 hours 7 days a week is extreme.
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20 hours 7 days a week is extreme.
Yes... but you can calculate your own burn-in ETA by dividing their 20 daily hours by daily screen-on -hours of yours. Burn-in development takes that much longer, then.


Example 1:

In my 8 hrs/day -case estimate would be 20/8 = 2,5 times Rtings.com burn-in time. So I could expect first burns to appear about 2,5 x 5 weeks = 12,5 weeks.


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One is not yet completely degenerate AVS-screenholic and uses his OLED just modest 4 hours/day. 20/4 = 5 times Rtings.com burn-in time. First permanent artifacts to be expected to premiere in 5 x 5 weeks = 25 weeks.
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20 hours 7 days a week is extreme.
Yeah, it is. Plus, wouldnt you also have to be leaving he set on the same channels that whole time too? Whos using their costly OLED as a news or stock ticker all day? I dunno. I find this test rather extreme and really, really pushing it.

But, whatever. If someone dosent buy an OLED due to the results of this test then thats their loss. Right?
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What would you do in practice, if less than half year of use your multi-thousand €/$ -highest technology OLED would read permanently "Pornhub.com"? I would probably become ISF-uncertified chainsaw-decalibrator and do OLED very, very bad things...

OLED = for very light video display workloads only. And remember: screensavers on tight settings, boys! Or accident may happen...2 hrs panel washing every day, of course.

LCD = for real use
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What would you do in practice, if less than half year of use your multi-thousand €/$ -highest technology OLED would read permanently "Pornhub.com"? I would probably become ISF-uncertified chainsaw-decalibrator and do OLED very, very bad things...

OLED = for very light video display workloads only. And remember: screensavers on tight settings, boys! Or accident may happen...2 hrs panel washing every day, of course.

LCD = for real use
You're confessing to watching porn on your TVs? Dirty boy.
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Flesh tones and motion handling... comprehensive test signal online-database, I have heard. Of course I don´t know really anything about it, just rumours from most advanced AVS-video... eeh... calibrators.
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I think that some people are exaggerating on this probably because they prefer one tech over the other? Not saying that there aren’t real cases, My Oled have the asbl off and the pixel shift off. Not a hint of burn in , I have over 2k hours and the 85% of those hours are from my dauthers watching cartoons , Disney channel and movies.
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Not a hint of burn in , I have over 2k hours and the 85% of those hours are from my dauthers watching cartoons , Disney channel and movies.
Nice, but burn-developmentally that is as "demanding" as running 2k hours in screen saver mode on PC. I have been writing on PC-use perspective and admitted OLED suitability for non-demanding video display duties, like that of yours.
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Best buy doesn't turn off the tv's from the remote they have a main switch that cut off the current on all the displays. This doesn't allow the display to run the compensation, also the displays are on every day for around 10 hours displaying a short video loop . also the displays are in vivid mode for that long every day.

Can't never compare store usage with normal home usage.
I mapped the remote off button to a universal remote. Is this the same thing as turning off with the LG remote?
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See our LG b6 OLED after 6 months of normal viewing. Screen Shift on, Clear Panel Noise routinely utilized, Oled light 61, contrast 62, brightness 50. LG ultimately denied our repair/replacement request after 3 months of continual combat with them. I had to pay ($65) for service tech who only confirmed burn in.

MSNBC logo burned in after on 3 hrs of viewing per day over 6 months. That is not abuse. Essentially, if you watch any channel with screen logos very long they will be burned in. Burn in is actually a misnomer. The phosphors age prematurely when driven hard. (Told this by LG engineer) The effect is cumulative; its not how many hours per day but rather how many total hours pixels in a particular area are driven. Watch Fox or CNN every day for two hours for 4 months, or or 1 hour per day for 8 months, still have same burn in. The aged phosphors are not as bright; they appear darkened.
It would be prudent for those remaining skeptics with an OLED to run a red, orange, or yellow test screen found on YouTube. Perhaps you are not as fortunate as you believe.
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I do periodically (run red screens), all is well so far. No cable "news" (highly slanted opinion) garbage for me, though.
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I do periodically (run red screens), all is well so far. No cable "news" (highly slanted opinion) garbage for me, though.
Ditto. The thing is though is that we do watch a lot of hockey which has plenty of score overlays and some logos. But, commercials break that up quite a bit and we vary our content a lot. I dunno. My set only has about 2200 hours since late 2016 when I bought it so we don’t use it as much so some people here. If burn in is truly eminent on these sets than I’ll probably be onto the next thing by that time anyways. I’m still not worried though.

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Myself, PQ is not important when watching most things. I don't need to see the news channel talking heads while looking at a pretty picture. And there's two other tv's (LCD) around here for those types of viewings.

I do watch a lot of Youtube stuff on my C6...but I stream it from my Roku where the settings are very low. Netflix and Amazon, I also stream from the Roku with it's low settings.

Only when I have company over do I stream from the internal apps where the settings are tilted more towards a pretty picture.

I did encounter one issue the other day while watching Youtube with the tv now deciding to flip into HDR mode when it encounters an HDR video from the Roku. Need to spend some time and see if there are some settings to disable that.

Mostly my Oled is used for movies. Olight is always well below 50 and color below 50 as well. HDR is disabled in my player.

Shooting for 10+ years out of it...unless 3D tv's are made again...or I die.

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the BI issue has taken all the fun out of watching care free tv, I always have owned plasmas and was quite used to baby sit for BI, but I never had BI only IR in worse case scenario, which goes away by watching other contents, but OLED is not IR it is BI, I don't watch news channel that much, once that is out it is very unlikely I will have BI. it is not good for LG to advertise the BI free technology and on there hand they BI quite easily, not sure how they get away with law suit, a simple test will prove the lie.

I feel bad for people who fell for false advertising. it is hard not to fall for gorgeous picture at $3500 price. LG really sold the flawed technology.

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I have LG OLED 55B7V and it got a BURN IN. It can be only seen on red background on the screen.

I watch CNN, BBC news,... for 1 hour per day. I like to watch news, so... After 2 month got a burn in.

I live in non english speaking country so all tv stations have subtitles. After 2 months i can see some distortions like dirty screen where subtitles are. On the bottom of the screen.

It's a normal use....

I had a Pioneer Kuro for 10 years now and it never had a burn in like this oled.
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"MSNBC logo burned in after on 3 hrs of viewing per day over 6 months. That is not abuse."

"I watch CNN, BBC news,... for 1 hour per day. I like to watch news, so... After 2 month got a burn in."

I know that is just a few of the many who have specifically mentioned the news channel logos. Having read lots of pages here at AVS, it feel like it's gone from "Just don't watch CNN for 8 hours a day!" to "Don't watch CNN for more than a few hours a day, vary content" to now finally "Don't watch CNN". (just using CNN as an example).

People watch cable news channels. Lots of people (no politics, please). It's unreasonable to sell a television of all things and then ask them not to watch news channels or else ruin the picture on their set.
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the BI issue has taken all the fun out of watching care free tv, I always have owned plasmas and was quite used to baby sit for BI, but I never had BI only IR in worse case scenario, which goes away by watching other contents, but OLED is not IR it is BI, I don't watch news channel that much, once that is out it is very unlikely I will have BI. it is not good for LG to advertise the BI free technology and on there hand they BI quite easily, not sure how they get away with law suit, a simple test will prove the lie.

I feel bad for people who fell for false advertising. it is hard not to fall for gorgeous picture at $3500 price. LG really sold the flawed technology.
Thank you for this post, I was reading through here just keeping an eye on how this has been going. I am still watching a 65VT60 and a 60ST50 in my home (Panasonic plasmas), and although have no plans to replace them anytime soon, I'd be looking at OLED if I had to. I agree with you, we get IR sometimes when we play The Golf Club on the PS4, mainly just where the player stands, but it goes away fairly quickly once we do something else. To this day, and I've had these for years, 5 on the VT and 6 on the ST, we haven't had any BI at all on either set. I'm OK with IR, but BI is a deal breaker, that would drive me nuts.
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Thank you for this post, I was reading through here just keeping an eye on how this has been going. I am still watching a 65VT60 and a 60ST50 in my home (Panasonic plasmas), and although have no plans to replace them anytime soon, I'd be looking at OLED if I had to. I agree with you, we get IR sometimes when we play The Golf Club on the PS4, mainly just where the player stands, but it goes away fairly quickly once we do something else. To this day, and I've had these for years, 5 on the VT and 6 on the ST, we haven't had any BI at all on either set. I'm OK with IR, but BI is a deal breaker, that would drive me nuts.
You agree because you don't want to agree that your plasma isn't that great anymore - so why post when you have no intention of joining the club now or "anytime soon." The guy whose post you agree with owns a display that's been improved on by the C7 and C8 in regards to BI. The C8s haven't been out long enough to even know if BI is an issue and Rtings has yet to test it, even though you'd have to work hard at getting BI with a C7 based on their testing of that panel. Many of us (the VAST majority) have owned OLEDs and not suffered from burn-in. Its likelihood is overblown on this forum.

I went from a Kuro and Panny VT60 - both calibrated by DNice. Don't miss them for a second. DV and HDR look spectacular on the LG displays. If you watch a lot of movies on your plasmas - you might want to look closely - I had burn-in from the letterbox bars on my Panny. Something that you wouldn't notice was there if you didn't visit forums like this one. I babied my plasmas - don't even think about it with the LG. The only think I miss about the plasma - the room doesn't stay has warm during winter
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My old P55ST60 finally has noticeable burn in, and it's the dang ID Network logo. I'll cry if the same happens to my C7 due to my GF's viewing habits.
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You agree because you don't want to agree that your plasma isn't that great anymore - so why post when you have no intention of joining the club now or "anytime soon." The guy whose post you agree with owns a display that's been improved on by the C7 and C8 in regards to BI. The C8s haven't been out long enough to even know if BI is an issue and Rtings has yet to test it, even though you'd have to work hard at getting BI with a C7 based on their testing of that panel. Many of us (the VAST majority) have owned OLEDs and not suffered from burn-in. Its likelihood is overblown on this forum.

I went from a Kuro and Panny VT60 - both calibrated by DNice. Don't miss them for a second. DV and HDR look spectacular on the LG displays. If you watch a lot of movies on your plasmas - you might want to look closely - I had burn-in from the letterbox bars on my Panny. Something that you wouldn't notice was there if you didn't visit forums like this one. I babied my plasmas - don't even think about it with the LG. The only think I miss about the plasma - the room doesn't stay has warm during winter
Absolutely not true, I'm agreeing I have no BI and did not say anything about the picture, I'm not here to get into a plasma vs. OLED war, but evidently you are. You found an opportunity to cop an attitude and went for it. I am telling you that I have absolutely NO BI on my sets. I'm extremely picky when it comes to picture and I can assure you I have none.

If you'll look slightly to the left here, you'll see that I've been an active member of this forum for 10 years. I don't think your one extra year here makes you more of an expert on BI than me, which is exactly what you implied with this line, "Something that you wouldn't notice was there if you didn't visit forums like this one"

Your post was actually helpful in that you pointed out the new sets don't have the same issue his does. If you'd just leave the crappy attitude at the door before you post, it would be 100% useful to me.
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The first thing I would do if I was going to watch a few hours a day of any one channel with a logo is to get a service remote or app, go into SM on tv and change the comp cycle time from 4 to 0. So instead of running the comp cycle after every 4 hours of use, it will run every time you turn off tv. If that's too much, set it to 1 hour. That way, if you watch something like CNN for only 2 hours, and then turn off tv, the 7 minute comp cycle will run, instead of waiting until you watch the tv again for another 2 hours. I set mine at 1 on my E6, and have been running it like that for over a year. I set it at 1, because there are nights I may just watch a 2 hour letterbox movie and then turn off the tv. When it was set to 4, I could still see the outline of the letterbox bars the next day. By setting it to 1, I never saw the outline of those bars again, since the comp cycle would always run after turning off tv. On my EF9500, by default it's set at 2 hours. The E6 is 4 hours. I think 4 hours may be too long between cycles.
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The first thing I would do if I was going to watch a few hours a day of any one channel with a logo is to get a service remote or app, go into SM on tv and change the comp cycle time from 4 to 0. So instead of running the comp cycle after every 4 hours of use, it will run every time you turn off tv. If that's too much, set it to 1 hour. That way, if you watch something like CNN for only 2 hours, and then turn off tv, the 7 minute comp cycle will run, instead of waiting until you watch the tv again for another 2 hours. I set mine at 1 on my E6, and have been running it like that for over a year. I set it at 1, because there are nights I may just watch a 2 hour letterbox movie and then turn off the tv. When it was set to 4, I could still see the outline of the letterbox bars the next day. By setting it to 1, I never saw the outline of those bars again, since the comp cycle would always run after turning off tv. On my EF9500, by default it's set at 2 hours. The E6 is 4 hours. I think 4 hours may be too long between cycles.
Doesnt running comp cycles somewhat shorten the life of the TV though? Mine is still at the default but Im interested in changing it to 2 hours.

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Doesnt running comp cycles somewhat shorten the life of the TV though? Mine is still at the default but Im interested in changing it to 2 hours.
The rumor was the 1 hour full comp cycle would shorten the lifespan, not the 7 minute cycle. The odd part is LG sets the comp cycle differently based on model year. I believe the 2014 models it was set to 6 hours. The 2015 models to 2 hours, the 2016 models to 4 hours, and i don't know about the 2017 and 2018 models. It's the exact same 7 minute cycle on each one. My EF9500 has no issues after almost 3years at 2 hours, and I haven't noticed any problems with my 2016 models. Granted, I usually have my E6 on for 3 or 4 hours at a time, so it would have run anyway with the 4 hour default setting. Setting at 1 or 2 will guarantee it will run if all you did was watch a 2 hour movie that day.
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Absolutely not true, I'm agreeing I have no BI and did not say anything about the picture, I'm not here to get into a plasma vs. OLED war, but evidently you are. You found an opportunity to cop an attitude and went for it. I am telling you that I have absolutely NO BI on my sets. I'm extremely picky when it comes to picture and I can assure you I have none.

If you'll look slightly to the left here, you'll see that I've been an active member of this forum for 10 years. I don't think your one extra year here makes you more of an expert on BI than me, which is exactly what you implied with this line, "Something that you wouldn't notice was there if you didn't visit forums like this one"

Your post was actually helpful in that you pointed out the new sets don't have the same issue his does. If you'd just leave the crappy attitude at the door before you post, it would be 100% useful to me.
You picked a selective post from one of a handful of unfortunate members who suffered burn-in for whatever reason. Most of us have grown tired of a few members literally posting 100s of time about BI (wait for it), and you did say you had no plans to make a change so it seems as if you picked something that helped you with that choice. I get it, it took me a year before I made the jump.

I'm not here to start a plasma v OLED discussion because (having owned the best of both) I don't need to since I had the OLED set up next to the VT60 before the later went away using a splitter to view the same content. I loved my plasmas, with OLED its just a completely different experience unless you spend you time watching news and or crappy feeds. Then an older plasma and or inexpensive LED may serve those purposes better.

As for length of membership, I suspect like you I started down the enthusiasts' path long before coming to this forum, I read it for over 5 years before even joining, it was nice to lose the ads and I've been dealing with an av obsession for over 40 years My advice, don't be selective on your OLED thread reading. There are plenty of us who've come from Kuro, Panny or Samsung plasmas (sorry former LG plasma owners) and are very happy with our new displays. IMO burn-in is much less of an issue with OLED then it was with plasma. I worked hard to keep it from happening on my plasma, nice to own a display that I don't have to worry about running full screen content to help insure I offset the hours watching a letterbox movie. Even then it didn't help me with the Panny.

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With some voltage tweaking, you could get a decent black level out of some of those LG plasmas, so I'm sure they aren't seeking any pity/empathy, as I haven't seen a lot of bitching from actual owners. And coming from an LG OLED owner for over 4 years, uniformity (mostly grayscale) can suck bigtime (not just with B&W), so be mindful of the possibility going in. I've had good luck with avoiding BI.

Also, while CNN viewership may be "high," that is a relative term since their ratings are in the toilet, and even YouTube (which in itself is also a threat to cause irrevocable damage as we have seen in a few instances) channels are copping more views presently than the corporate talking heads (whose goal is not just to share you the news of the day, untainted). Not politics, just facts.
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Also, while CNN viewership may be "high," that is a relative term since their ratings are in the toilet, and even YouTube (which in itself is also a threat to cause irrevocable damage as we have seen in a few instances) channels are copping more views presently than the corporate talking heads (whose goal is not just to share you the news of the day, untainted). Not politics, just facts.
I just used CNN as an example, but there are roughly the same issues with all logos on these news channels. So you have to add all the viewers up for places like Fox, MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, etc. And also keep in mind that viewers tune in and out throughout the day to see how large the issue could potentially be, especially if people are getting these issues from only watching 2-3 hours in a day. To me that's not exactly unreasonable or out of the ordinary. And yet they have to worry about it. That should not be an issue IMO.

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The rumor was the 1 hour full comp cycle would shorten the lifespan, not the 7 minute cycle. The odd part is LG sets the comp cycle differently based on model year. I believe the 2014 models it was set to 6 hours. The 2015 models to 2 hours, the 2016 models to 4 hours, and i don't know about the 2017 and 2018 models. It's the exact same 7 minute cycle on each one. My EF9500 has no issues after almost 3years at 2 hours, and I haven't noticed any problems with my 2016 models. Granted, I usually have my E6 on for 3 or 4 hours at a time, so it would have run anyway with the 4 hour default setting. Setting at 1 or 2 will guarantee it will run if all you did was watch a 2 hour movie that day.
That’s cool. We do sometimes watch the TV for under four hours so I went ahead and changed it to run every 2 hours of use. I’ve never had any BI issues or concerns either but it can’t hurt.

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one point made here is cumulative hours, 3 hrs per day per channel BI logo in 3 months 1 hour maybe make it in 8 months LG treats both as abuse which is absurd. did tv comes with disclaimer to not watch News channel last I checked it was. not the case.
may be they should put that disclaimer only to watch movies no tv channels are allowed as they all have logo.
it is uneven burn in of phosphorus in OLEds, it is just matter of time in my opinion it will how BI, people who are lucky with no BI are lucky we can't blame people for watching tv channels. may be there is manufacturing variation which sone tv susceptible to easy BI. we don't have data to prove it.

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So, I've luckily had no issues with burn in, two years into owning a 65" LG EG9600.

Today I go to turn on the tv, and on a grey screen (HBO Go splash screen), I see the attached...

Doesn't exactly seem like burn-in, and I certainly haven't had anything on the screen in this pattern. Is this some other type of issue anyone can recognize / has experienced? For context, it is most noticeable on grey screens, and faintly on some solid color screens. Doesn't appear on an all black screen. It also happens on different HDMI inputs, and on the LG menu with no inptu on at all...
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If you take the right precautions you wont get BI,it seems that this reports comes from previous LCD owners.

You will rarely see a previous plasma owner that now own an Oled ,complaining.


I have owned plasmas since 2007 and never experienced a single burn in.
Well I am a 2 time plasma owner who never got burn in on them, but have burn in on my 2016 LG C6, with the same use scenario, nothing different. If I had to do it over again, I would not purchase an oled display, until they can get to at least 2007 plasma burn in protection levels. (Pixel Shift that works)Pioneer 6010 kuro and Maxent 5000 series plasmas.
These tv's(Lg Oled Panels) simply have a major flaw that will show up at some point unless you are determined to not see it, but ignorance is bliss, they say. So good for you.

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