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Same. All enhancements off on technicolor Expert, don't notice any real world lag issues. Playing PUBG, and doing very well.
There's definitely a difference between Technicolor and Game mode. Can immediately notice the delay when just moving around on Battlefront.
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There's definitely a difference between Technicolor and Game mode. Can immediately notice the delay when just moving around on Battlefront.
Possibly placebo effect and or you may still have some enhancements on that I do not.

Many unknown variables in regards to your experience vs mine.
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To be honest after months trying to find the settings for HDR game mode, I just started using HDR Cinema Home with TruMotion Off and it looks amazing (playing God of War now) and no input lag.

It seems TruMotion is the only thing responsible for substantially increasing input lag, probably you can play on any settings and just turn off TruMotion.

Now I don't the exact difference in input lag between HDR Cinema Home with TruMotion turned off and HDR Game Mode, but I couldn't notice any. It would be interesting if you guys try out my "solution".
You mean we switch to movie mode and we turn off the trumotion ?

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Possibly placebo effect and or you may still have some enhancements on that I do not.

Many unknown variables in regards to your experience vs mine.
Definitely not placebo - my display is professionally calibrated and I have everything off that would induce lag.

The only way to play in Technicolor with low lag is to engage PC Mode - when you do that you're playing in 8-Bit HDR which results in a significant drop in quality. Otherwise you're playing with significantly higher input lag that I can easily feel.

Everyone has different tolerance levels though and if it works for you it works for you - no sweat.
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Definitely not placebo - my display is professionally calibrated and I have everything off that would induce lag.

The only way to play in Technicolor with low lag is to engage PC Mode - when you do that you're playing in 8-Bit HDR which results in a significant drop in quality. Otherwise you're playing with significantly higher input lag that I can easily feel.

Everyone has different tolerance levels though and if it works for you it works for you - no sweat.
Yeah, true.

I tend to favor the better PQ and 40ms more (?) in input lag over the Game mode PQ.

Would be interested in seeing some more tests in regards to the input lag outside of what’s Rtings did.
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Yeah, true.

I tend to favor the better PQ and 40ms more (?) in input lag over the Game mode PQ.

Would be interested in seeing some more tests in regards to the input lag outside of what’s Rtings did.
Honestly both are near equal in regards to quality. The only thing difference is Game Mode has the stupid color slider that you can't calibrate really - you can only minimize errors there.
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My problem with the Game Mode is not that it's bad, I prefer detail to brightness, it's that it COULD keep overall brightness AND keep details, if LG decided to use the same PQ EOTF curve as Panasonic, that tries to follow the intended brightness until around 300 nits and then starts to move away from it, instead of doing it from the start. The result is that darker parts and mid-tones would be brighter, while the brightest parts would be compressed but still show detail.

The sad thing is - LG did decide to do that - on the 2018 models. Ok, so we don't get Dynamic Tone Mapping in Game Mode - fine. The sad thing is, on 2018 sets you don't even need Dynamic Tone Mapping in Game Mode (but you have that option if you want it even brighter). I'm not an engineer, but I really don't think there is anything stopping LG from implementing a different curve on 2017 sets, like they did on 2018 ones.

LG is definitely improving the Game Mode, the problem is they are doing it with each new generation, even for things that could be done on older sets too. And with people not understanding the problem, or not caring, or asking for something that LG won't (and frankly, shouldn't) do - like bringing back the "old" Game Mode - I don't think there will ever be enough pressure for them to change anything.

A new EOFT curve would be great - and they already did it with new models. If I was cynical, I would say it's because they want new models to look better. If I was a pessimist, I would say that it's because they don't care enough to dedicate resources to change anything. An optimist would say they will get around to it, eventually.

Still, even with all that said - the HDR mode is not "dim", it's just not as good as it could be. On some games, like God of War or Assassin's Creed Origins, a few in-game sliders can almost negate the issue. But you do have to fiddle with the options and use Dynamic Contrast which some people dislike (I think Medium is great for GoW or AC, while High is great for Uncharted).

My real problem is that I just can't notice the difference in input lag when using Cinema Mode (with Active HDR on - DC Low) but I keep thinking about it and blaming lag for every wrong move, so I am going crazy switching from one to another. Got my C7 for a good deal but I keep wishing I spent 500e more for a C8. It is still insanely better than any other TV I've seen, even in Game Mode - but I keep changing settings and tweaking instead of, you know, playing games. Perhaps I should just deal with it and accept that something better is always around the corner. I can imagine C9 will make HDR even better.
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LG is compressing the signal on sub 100nit scenes which are already dark to begin with. I'd say that makes it objectively dim for a lot of content.
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LG is compressing the signal on sub 100nit scenes which are already dark to begin with. I'd say that makes it objectively dim for a lot of content.

They are not compressing below 100 nits, they are compressing the entire curve. A 100 nit content will be, like, 80-90 nit, 200 will be 170-180, etc. What 2018 models seem to be doing is not compressing below 300 nits - so, 100 nits is 100, 300 nits is 300.... and then compressing everything else. Since most content (not counting the highlights) is below 300 nits, it produces a brighter overall image.

The sad part is that I think they could easily change that on 2017 models too. Then again, I'm not an engineer.
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They are not compressing below 100 nits, they are compressing the entire curve. A 100 nit content will be, like, 80-90 nit, 200 will be 170-180, etc.

Semantics. They're compressing below 100nits (and above as well) which still means game mode is dim during already dark scenes.
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Playing Spider-Man on PS4 right now and I really wish LG would update the tone curve on the 2017 models to how it is for 2018 outlined in this post.


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On the 2018 models, the approach to tone mapping is quite different. There is also a Dynamic Tone Mapping setting which is different that can be used in Game Mode.

Here's Vincent Teoh's summary of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1f...youtu.be&t=571

Go to 9:54 in the video.

Note the behaviour of the two TVs. At the same settings, the 2018 B8 is much brighter than the 2017 B7. This differential behaviour is quite readily measured, as exemplified by the attached graphs.



Spider-Man is essentially a very muted HDR game with the exception of some highlights in the 4000 nit range, which are few and far between, but because of LG's current tone mapping curve the game can be pretty dim most of the time and it almost makes me want to play in SDR mode. Switching between a mode where dynamic tone mapping is available shows a remarkable difference.



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Playing Spider-Man on PS4 right now and I really wish LG would update the tone curve on the 2017 models to how it is for 2018 outlined in this post.
Agreed, but they are most likely not going to bother with it. It's annoying because it has nothing to do with technology, it's just a tweak they could easily do. It is an artificial way to make the new sets better.

Play in Cinema Home with Active HDR (DC: Low) and deal with a slightly bigger input lag or deal with a dimmer image. It still looks better than SDR.
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Agreed, but they are most likely not going to bother with it. It's annoying because it has nothing to do with technology, it's just a tweak they could easily do. It is an artificial way to make the new sets better.
They'll probably implement it via patch once the 2019 models are on the market and the 2018 sets no longer constitute their "flagship series". An infuriating, consumer-unfriendly practice for sure.


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Play in Cinema Home with Active HDR (DC: Low) and deal with a slightly bigger input lag or deal with a dimmer image. It still looks better than SDR.
That's exactly what I'm doing. Game looks fantastic in CH - and plays great as well, though I would be lying if I didn't notice the increased input lag. Game Mode just feels so incredible tight and immediate in direct comparison. Oh well ...

By the way, anybody found a good in-game Brightness setting. Unlike basically every other game Spider-Man doesn't have a logo for proper adjustment. Curious omission.
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I'm picking up a PS4 Pro this week, and I have a B7. I'm assuming there's still no ideal solution to the dim game mode with HDR or no fix from LG?

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I'm picking up a PS4 Pro this week, and I have a B7. I'm assuming there's still no ideal solution to the dim game mode with HDR or no fix from LG?
not directly, but plenty of convo here:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-...-hdr-dv.73304/
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not directly, but plenty of convo here:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-...-hdr-dv.73304/

Thanks for the link. I don't have any complaints about my One X experience on my calibrated 65" B7 but gonna read it anyway in case I learn something! Been playing too much Black Ops 4 the last couple weeks but that's gonna change tomorrow when Red Dead 2 comes out.

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not directly, but plenty of convo here:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lg-...-hdr-dv.73304/
Thank you, appreciate it.
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Does someone have maye actual/updated settings or does everyone using the one from the link? I dont like those that much. Im also thinking about to downgrade the FW back so the gamemode gets brighter...

Red dead redemption 2 is out and i wonder about the TV settings as well the ingame HDR settings. I like it brighter the de picture in the gamemode and the DC high settings ist taking away the quality.
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Does someone have maye actual/updated settings or does everyone using the one from the link? I dont like those that much. Im also thinking about to downgrade the FW back so the gamemode gets brighter...

Red dead redemption 2 is out and i wonder about the TV settings as well the ingame HDR settings. I like it brighter the de picture in the gamemode and the DC high settings ist taking away the quality.
are you on a 2016 model? if so LG fixed this in the most recent firmware to boost HDR game mode back to original brightness levels.
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are you on a 2016 model? if so LG fixed this in the most recent firmware to boost HDR game mode back to original brightness levels.
Yes, i have the 65E6 so a 2016 modell. Ehm, are you sure because i dont see no fix. Its dark as hell. I also still have the FW 5.30 (forgot to mention European version)
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are you on a 2016 model? if so LG fixed this in the most recent firmware to boost HDR game mode back to original brightness levels.
Yes, i have the 65E6 so a 2016 modell. Ehm, are you sure because i dont see no fix. Its dark as hell. I also still have the FW 5.30 (forgot to mention European version)
Yeah even the Europe ones were updated. Check the lg website for whatever country you are in.

It’s talked about in this thread
https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-...art-6.2097705/
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I still find that dynamic contrast set at medium is required to match the non game hdr modes on the newer e6 firmware. It looks absolutely fine with this setting though


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Yeah even the Europe ones were updated. Check the lg website for whatever country you are in.

It’s talked about in this thread
https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-...art-6.2097705/
Could you give me a hint on wich page i should go in this thread, then there are 277 sites!!!

I never heard something about a fix... But if there is one i would be happy even if i doubt it then as i know the usa and maybe UK has one but not the german region.

Edit: Im reading trough the sites Update came in July this year and its not possible to download and update trough the TV. I have to make it manual.

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I'm picking up a PS4 Pro this week, and I have a B7. I'm assuming there's still no ideal solution to the dim game mode with HDR or no fix from LG?
Unfortunately not. The best options are either to play in 'Game Mode' with 'Dynamic Contrast' set to medium which provides a decent enough bright picture while retaining relative accurate colors or switching to 'Cinema Home Mode', enabling dynamic tone-mapping (via 'Dynamic Contrast' set to low) while simultaneously switching off all additional settings and dealing with the increased (+40ms) input lag.
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I'm picking up a PS4 Pro this week, and I have a B7. I'm assuming there's still no ideal solution to the dim game mode with HDR or no fix from LG?
Unfortunately not. The best options are either to play in 'Game Mode' with 'Dynamic Contrast' set to medium which provides a decent enough bright picture while retaining relative accurate colors or switching to 'Cinema Home Mode', enabling dynamic tone-mapping (via 'Dynamic Contrast' set to low) while simultaneously switching off all additional settings and dealing with the increased (+40ms) input lag.
Again this only applies to 2017 models. 3016 and 2018 are fine now.
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Again this only applies to 2017 models. 3016 and 2018 are fine now.


I have e6 2016 model

I hv updated to the lastest update 5.30.30

So the game mode hdr is fine and fixed , what setting you guys recommend for my case ?


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Again this only applies to 2017 models. 3016 and 2018 are fine now.


I have e6 2016 model

I hv updated to the lastest update 5.30.30

So the game mode hdr is fine and fixed , what setting you guys recommend for my case ?


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As long as that’s the update from July timeframe then you’re good. Just reset to default hdr game mode and turn off the extra processing stuff.
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Again this only applies to 2017 models. 3016 and 2018 are fine now.

Yeah, and since he specifically mentioned owning a B7...
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I have e6 2016 model

I hv updated to the lastest update 5.30.30

So the game mode hdr is fine and fixed , what setting you guys recommend for my case ?


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Can anybody please confirm that the Game HDR brightness on 5.30.30 is the same as 04.30.95 if not better?

Because my E6 are still on 04.30.95 which the latest firmware back when HDR Game mode was good and brighter.

I'm not willing to update and then I go to downgrade process again because it was stressful to me.

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Can anybody please confirm that the Game HDR brightness on 5.30.30 is the same as 04.30.95 if not better?

Because my E6 are still on 04.30.95 which the latest firmware back when HDR Game mode was good and brighter.

I'm not willing to update and then I go to downgrade process again because it was stressful to me.
5.30.30 is whatever i latest in USA fixed HDR game mode. It's now as bright as it was before LG turned it down last year. You will want the latest firmware to get your HDR game mode back.
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