Originally Posted by 256k
Do not use those settings, are not meassured and by using black level high you're killing all the image detail, you're mixing video levels, HDR must be used with black level low, i made a post that is in this forum where you can find the correct settings for HDR game for 2016/17, measured with tools, not by eye
It is true that I've done this measurement process by eye. In history I've calibrated plenty of sets with equipment (i1+hcfr). I know very well what properly calibrated image looks like and that's what my eyes are adjusted to. I have not yet calibrated HDR spaces and what I've read from it the whole process of calibrating HDR can be kind of a hassle and standards are still forming their place.
On top of that it's a widely known issue that this particular Game HDR mode is considered too dim, or even broken by most people. Not just people coming from the "vivid" mode, but even the enthusiast crowd. I've tried out "calibrated" recommendations, I've tried to live with black level forced to "Low" (cause I know that's what you should use by logic). End result never changes. Blacks and dark tones gets crushed way more in comparison to to any other picture-mode on the TV. This clearly gives away that the TV is for some reason handling the black-level/brightness signal wrong only on this particular mode. Setting black level to high instantly relieves the issue and makes the image look similar to other modes (which are black level=low). I know it defies logic, but there have been bugs like this before.
It's also widely know that the Technicolor Expert -mode is about as close to calibrated set out of the box setting as one can get.
Setting it up like I described makes these modes display the image almost in 1:1 similarity. Open up any scene and start swapping between game<->technicolor. It looks just alike. It's comfortable. It's good. It just feels right to me.
As opposed comparing HDR Game, Black Level on Low to Movie/Technicolor on their default. With bare eye you can see in a second that all the black detail is instantly way darker than any other mode. You don't need equipment to see that it's just wrong.
I know it sounds bonkers and that's why I suggested to try it out before judging.
For me it seems like firmware bug:
HDMI 1 PS4: HDR Game mode, Black Level: High = Same black level handling as every other image mode gives on "Black Level: Low"
HDMI 1 PS4: HDR Game mode, Black Level: Low = Does not look similar to any other picture-mode on the TV. Bugged setting which handles the signal wrong and crushes your blacks.
I won't bet my life on this, but this might be something someone want's to try if they feel the same way as I do.
Originally Posted by guitarguy316
Yeah but are you making these changes BEFORE or AFTER adjusting in-game HDR sliders? COD, Ubisoft games, etc have black and white level HDR sliders.
I don't have any of those games. RE7 had somewhat similar sliders I think. Didn't seem to alleviate the problem by much. Matching the squares on brightness calibration was a no go. I read it's just better to go with a solid 700-800 setting.