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The time has come, need to find a new TV, 55"

It's been about 11 years since my last upgrade, so I figured it is time.

Since I do not upgrade often, I want to buy something that will last and carry through the years. Much like my Panasonic 720p plasma did. It still runs and works, so while I hate dumping it, it's time.

So, this is where is am at. OLED vs LED. Samsung vs LG. I am willing to spend the premium for OLED, but I started reading about the banding issues, etc so I am rethinking it.

I have an Nvidia shield, so the whole smart TV thing is a non issue. I don't game either.

I need a TV for TV, sports (hockey and football) and movies.

It is in the family room, so there are Windows to the side of it, so I need something good with sun glare. Other Than that, I am wide open to any brand or technology.

There are hundreds of TV's and models, so without making myself crazy, hearing from the people with the know is surely going to give me the push in the direction I need.
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I am in the exact same position. I have a 42" Panny 8UK I bought 11 years ago that I am looking to replace. After doing my research, I now have a 55" LG C7 OLED in the cart and am psyching myself up to pull the trigger....
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You're posting on the OLED forum, so I assume you want someone to suggest getting one of the 55" OLEDs. I suggest getting a 55" OLED.
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I am in the exact same position. I have a 42" Panny 8UK I bought 11 years ago that I am looking to replace. After doing my research, I now have a 55" LG C7 OLED in the cart and am psyching myself up to pull the trigger....
So is the whole banding issues not as big a deal as it seems? Guess if it was, they couldn't sell units.

Also, is the difference between c7, e7, etc just that bases, speakers etc, otherwise they are all the same?
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the shelf life of oled is doubtful. some claim that the shelf life is not as good as led lcd's. the blue subpixel is prone to aging and dimming faster. you said you dont upgrade often and you are upgrading after 10 years. to ride you over for a long time, i would probably not suggest an oled. get a sony x900e or a higher model from sony x series led lcd's if you're willing to spend more.
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So is the whole banding issues not as big a deal as it seems? Guess if it was, they couldn't sell units.

Also, is the difference between c7, e7, etc just that bases, speakers etc, otherwise they are all the same?
Seems to me that any banding won't be an issue during most real-world viewing and may indeed improve with time anyway. I am going to do my very best to NOT look for problems with this set (unlike last time). Perfect is the enemy of the good and all that.

My understanding is that the panels are all the same between B7, C7, E7, etc. And I'm not enough of an audiophile to care about the modest sound improvement the E7 delivers.
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Every tv has issues to some extent, no tv is perfect. Some issues bother some , some don't even notice them or bother them. Any tv can last 5-10-15 years etc. Or it can last 1 month, no matter tech or brand. It's electronics. Coming from plasma Oled is the best upgrade in my view.
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Much like my Panasonic 720p plasma did. It still runs and works, so while I hate dumping it, it's time.
Is it really time though?


I myself have been following OLED tech for like 10 years now and even then I still haven't hopped on the "OLED bandwagon" simply because the combination of eARC, 120Hz input @ 4k 4:4:4, and variable refresh rate (three technologies that pre-existing content can see benefit from), is just too much for me to pass up.

Maybe it's just me and my heavy use of computers and HTPCs, but it seems a poor time to upgrade after a whopping 11 years when HDMI 2.1 will bring way more upgrades than HDMI so-called "2.0" ever did (I mean, even HDMI 1.4 could do 4k 24Hz 10bit 4:4:4 and/or 4k 60Hz 8bit 4:2:0).


(HDMI 2.1 also includes support for standardized dynamic HDR which I guess would be nice for longevity, but as mentioned I'm more excited about the technologies that I can take advantage of yesterday)

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the shelf life of oled is doubtful. some claim that the shelf life is not as good as led lcd's. the blue subpixel is prone to aging and dimming faster. you said you dont upgrade often and you are upgrading after 10 years. to ride you over for a long time, i would probably not suggest an oled. get a sony x900e or a higher model from sony x series led lcd's if you're willing to spend more.
Why would any of the subpixels age faster given they are all white? I wouldn't have thought the color filter on the subpixels would care about age.

Probably true of RGB OLEDs like the ones on phones made by Samsung, but not the LG panels made for TVs which are WRGB with all white OLEDs, not RGB OLEDs.

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You're posting on the OLED forum, so I assume you want someone to suggest getting one of the 55" OLEDs. I suggest getting a 55" OLED.
Well actually it is the OLED and flat screen in general forum.

I got that confused too since it makes no sense to have it set up the way it is, but well that is the way it is set up currently on avsforum.
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You're posting on the OLED forum, so I assume you want someone to suggest getting one of the 55" OLEDs. I suggest getting a 55" OLED.
OLED and general, so while Wondering about OLED, the general to me is all other tv types. So reality is I don't need OLED if there is a better option.
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the shelf life of oled is doubtful. some claim that the shelf life is not as good as led lcd's. the blue subpixel is prone to aging and dimming faster. you said you dont upgrade often and you are upgrading after 10 years. to ride you over for a long time, i would probably not suggest an oled. get a sony x900e or a higher model from sony x series led lcd's if you're willing to spend more.
X900e looks to be on sale this weekend. As I noted in the original post, I don't need OLED, just looking to step up my tv game.

A plus for the Sony is the low reflections as I know some units are bad at this.
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the shelf life of oled is doubtful. some claim that the shelf life is not as good as led lcd's. the blue subpixel is prone to aging and dimming faster. you said you dont upgrade often and you are upgrading after 10 years. to ride you over for a long time, i would probably not suggest an oled. get a sony x900e or a higher model from sony x series led lcd's if you're willing to spend more.

You are correct the blue subpixel is prone to aging and dimming...which is why LG doesn't use a blue subpixel, they use a white subpixel
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So much drama over a display?

I mean I get it but there must be 2000 threads on these displays.

11 or 12 years with same display? Really? You don’t have a master bedroom you can move the dinosaur into?

These displays are so inexpensive with current sales prices what’s to think about?

The only thing I’d be thinking is why am I buying a 55 instead of 65?

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So much drama over a display?

I mean I get it but there must be 2000 threads on these displays.

11 or 12 years with same display? Really? You don’t have a master bedroom you can move the dinosaur into?

These displays are so inexpensive with current sales prices what’s to think about?

The only thing I’d be thinking is why am I buying a 55 instead of 65?

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So inexpensive? Some of us live in a different world.

My first TV was a 1983, 19" Sony Trinitron CRT. Kept it until late 2007. (I admit that I didn't use it much. It certainly was not the heart of a HT setup.)
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So much drama over a display?

I mean I get it but there must be 2000 threads on these displays.

11 or 12 years with same display? Really? You don’t have a master bedroom you can move the dinosaur into?

These displays are so inexpensive with current sales prices what’s to think about?

The only thing I’d be thinking is why am I buying a 55 instead of 65?

OLED

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55 vs 65? Easy, space, where it is going I only have room for 55"
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So inexpensive? Some of us live in a different world.

My first TV was a 1983, 19" Sony Trinitron CRT. Kept it until late 2007. (I admit that I didn't use it much. It certainly was not the heart of a HT setup.)
Yeah, I agree, there are inexpensive displays out there, but once past say 1k, you have to start thinking about it more.

The Sony on sale is intriguing, I am curious what the 500$ extra for the OLED is buying me. Honest question, sell me on it. I was thinking OLED till the x900 popped up on my radar.
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So inexpensive? Some of us live in a different world.

My first TV was a 1983, 19" Sony Trinitron CRT. Kept it until late 2007. (I admit that I didn't use it much. It certainly was not the heart of a HT setup.)
The best display in the world is available for $1500. And that’s Best Buy price. $1500 for a top tier world class display.

It wasn’t too long ago top displays were $5K and up.

OLED has hit it’s stride price wise. You think they’ll be $500 soon? These guys need to make a profit too or sink and back to LCD. So yeah, $1500 for world class displays is inexpensive to where we were just three years ago. It’s amazing now price wise. Really.

Where to put a 65? How about wall mounting it.

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The best display in the world is available for $1500. And that’s Best Buy price. $1500 for a top tier world class display.

It wasn’t too long ago top displays were $5K and up.

OLED has hit it’s stride price wise. You think they’ll be $500 soon? These guys need to make a profit too or sink and back to LCD. So yeah, $1500 for world class displays is inexpensive to where we were just three years ago. It’s amazing now price wise. Really.

Where to put a 65? How about wall mounting it.

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Everything is relative, as Lord Byron said while being chased out of England for incest with his half-sister.

Yeah, $1500 is a pretty good price for a 55" OLED display. (If memory serves, it's about the same as a 55" B6 on Black Friday 2016.) That's why I got an OLED55B7A a couple of weeks ago. (At Target, of all places. $1600, less their 5%.) Even though I've had a Samsung 49" KS8000 for only about 15 months.

It's a bargain that I expect many people cannot afford.
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Why would any of the subpixels age faster given they are all white? I wouldn't have thought the color filter on the subpixels would care about age.

Probably true of RGB OLEDs like the ones on phones made by Samsung, but not the LG panels made for TVs which are WRGB with all white OLEDs, not RGB OLEDs.
Because the color filters employed by LG within the "woled" setup dont have the same efficiency. the efficiency of the red, green, blue color filters is different. the less efficient a color filter is, the more current it would need to generate light output and driving it with more current over time will shorten its lifespan. it is the red color filter actually that is lowest in terms of efficiency.
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Gonna go look at the e900 and the LG try to decide.

I assume both will look awesome. As to why one would be better, who knows.
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The LG really is an amazing looking unit
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Mine is coming on Tuesday. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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