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canali12 11-26-2017 11:28 AM

new oled b7 owner...is pro calibration & ext warranty suggested?
 
hi guys...
this thread was just edited to include ext waranty.

just bought my first tv in over 10 yrs...hasta la vista to my true but loyal
hitachi 51'' rear projection tv (she was a good workhorse all these yrs...bless her)

just bought an LG Oled 65'' B7.
a few questions
is it necessary to pay for the services of a professional calibrator?

also..guy trying to sell me cdn$469 pkg for 3 yr extended warranty on the oled.
a waste of money?

wxman 11-26-2017 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55202762)
hi guys...

i'm about to buy my first tv in 10 yrs: an LG Oled 65'' B7.
is it necessary to pay for the services of a professional calibrator?

the place i'm buying it from (visions electronics in canada) doesn't
have a 'geek squad' like Best Buy does.

Essential? No. However, it will improve the PQ. The most critical setting to get right with OLED is brightness. You can do that with any "calibration" disc such as Spears and Munsil, Disney WOW, etc. If your brightness is set too high, you lose that punch that OLED offers.

canali12 11-26-2017 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wxman (Post 55203042)
Essential? No. However, it will improve the PQ. The most critical setting to get right with OLED is brightness. You can do that with any "calibration" disc such as Spears and Munsil, Disney WOW, etc. If your brightness is set too high, you lose that punch that OLED offers.

thanks...but i no longer have a separate cd player (only on my laptop;)...
so i presume i can't use any calibration 'disc' (?)

wxman 11-26-2017 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55203096)
thanks...but i no longer have a separate cd player (only on my laptop;)...
so i presume i can't use any calibration 'disc' (?)

Do you have a blu ray player?

canali12 11-26-2017 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wxman (Post 55203500)
Do you have a blu ray player?

no..but my bud has one..guess i could borrow his

canali12 11-26-2017 05:18 PM

just left the store...having my lg oled 65'' b7 delivered soon.
guy tried to sell me a cdn$469 3 yr warranty...a waste of money?
i usually keep my tv along time (rear projection was 11 yrs) but who knows this time around.

lockdown571 11-26-2017 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55204850)
just left the store...having my lg oled 65'' b7 delivered soon.
guy tried to sell me a cdn$469 3 yr warranty...a waste of money?
i usually keep my tv along time (rear projection was 11 yrs) but who knows this time around.

I generally think warranty extensions on electronics are a giant waste of money. Devices like these tend to fail either shortly out of the box (because you got a defective model) or way out beyond three years. Just my 2 cents.

Ph8te 11-26-2017 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55204850)
just left the store...having my lg oled 65'' b7 delivered soon.

guy tried to sell me a cdn$469 3 yr warranty...a waste of money?

i usually keep my tv along time (rear projection was 11 yrs) but who knows this time around.



I’m guessing you bought from BB. Not sure if the warranty is the same as in US, but B.B. Geek Squad warranty is the only one that covers IR/BI. What it comes down to is how much is peace of mind worth to you? EWs are a personal decision. Some swear by them, others never get them. If it makes you feel comfortable then usually people are ok paying for them depending on what is covered.

canali12 11-26-2017 08:57 PM

no it was at visions electronics...i'm researching pro certified calibrators now in vancouver bc

tokerblue 11-26-2017 09:07 PM

I had my LG B6 OLED calibrated earlier this year after I used the RTings settings and the difference was not subtle. The major improvement is the greyscale adjustment. Your image will look more 3D when it is set accurately. A calibration also takes your particular set and lighting into consideration.

I re-watched an episode of Black Sails that I had watched the day before the calibration and the details that I could see on their clothing was incredible. Even my wife, who never really notices things like this mentioned how good everything looks.

I would never buy another nice TV and not have it calibrate.

Ph8te 11-26-2017 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55206272)
no it was at visions electronics...i'm researching pro certified calibrators now in vancouver bc



Ok, I’d ask what exactly it covers (especially things like IR/BI. If they say yes, then ask them to show where it says that (aka in writing). Otherwise if it’s available to you, the SquareTrade warranty may fit better price wise. It’s a ”standard” EW that doesn’t cover IR/BI, but is cheaper than most.

lsorensen 11-26-2017 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55206272)
no it was at visions electronics...i'm researching pro certified calibrators now in vancouver bc

Well at least with visions, if you end up not needing the warranty, the cost turns into a store credit (that can be used for up to 50% of a purchase), which is why I decided to get the warranty when I bought there.

lsorensen 11-26-2017 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ph8te (Post 55206332)
Ok, I’d ask what exactly it covers (especially things like IR/BI. If they say yes, then ask them to show where it says that (aka in writing). Otherwise if it’s available to you, the SquareTrade warranty may fit better price wise. It’s a ”standard” EW that doesn’t cover IR/BI, but is cheaper than most.

Based on what I have read lately, squaretrade is useless now. If they can't fix your TV they offer you a replacement TV that is a complete joke compared to your OLED TV. They used to just refund your purchase cost, but apparently they don't want to do that anymore.

Ph8te 11-26-2017 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lsorensen (Post 55206396)
Based on what I have read lately, squaretrade is useless now. If they can't fix your TV they offer you a replacement TV that is a complete joke compared to your OLED TV. They used to just refund your purchase cost, but apparently they don't want to do that anymore.



The few stories (on here) I have seen have all been resolved to the satisfaction of the warranty holder. Most every company will try to lowball you. If you stick with it however and know your TVs worth, you should be fine.

canali12 11-26-2017 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ph8te (Post 55206332)
Ok, I’d ask what exactly it covers (especially things like IR/BI. If they say yes, then ask them to show where it says that (aka in writing). Otherwise if it’s available to you, the SquareTrade warranty may fit better price wise. It’s a ”standard” EW that doesn’t cover IR/BI, but is cheaper than most.

sorry to sound naive,...what is EW?

no1special 11-26-2017 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55203096)
thanks...but i no longer have a separate cd player (only on my laptop;)...
so i presume i can't use any calibration 'disc' (?)

My suggestion is to use the free calibration patterns available at the link below, first, then after optimizing the TV yourself, decide if you're happy with it or want to pursue further calibration. Since you don't have a disc player, you can download the MP4 files, extract them to a USB flash drive, and just plug that directly into the TV. Be sure to download and read the PDF manual, too. ISF Expert Dark Room should be the most accurate setting so start with that. Turn off all enhancements. Your primary concerns should be Contrast and Brightness. The rest, like Color, Tint, Sharpness can be left at default.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...libration.html

Ph8te 11-27-2017 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55206520)
sorry to sound naive,...what is EW?



Extended Warranty.

BillP 11-27-2017 09:54 AM

Remember to wait until after at least 100 hours of using your new TV before calibrating it.

dave1812dave 11-27-2017 10:17 AM

My personal opinion is a resounding "no". Why? Because after making a number of settings changes to my 55" B7, it looks fab on great content such as DV 4K Netflix content, and I set things the way I like. It's not like I'm a film maker and need a super-accurately calibrated monitor. Having done my share of photo editing on a calibrated wide-gamut (beautiful!) monitor, I'm pretty good at seeing and adjusting color. I'm so picky, I'm one of those here that returned my 65" OLED, rather than accept color issues like "pee stains" and a magenta cast to white screens. Color issues bug the heck out of me.

tivoboy 11-30-2017 12:46 PM

Can't one get easy access to some test patterns with the youtube app, or via the mobile to tv connection? Seems the history of having a BR player (or today UHD player) for even some inputs isn't necessary anymore. some calibration glasses/filters are probably always in order though.

no1special 12-01-2017 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tivoboy (Post 55232900)
Can't one get easy access to some test patterns with the youtube app, or via the mobile to tv connection? Seems the history of having a BR player (or today UHD player) for even some inputs isn't necessary anymore. some calibration glasses/filters are probably always in order though.

I have found that the calibration test patterns found on youtube may not be completely reliable. For example, the few brightness patterns I found on youtube don't pass below black signals. This may be the youtube apps I've used (a few on different devices) or it could be the patterns themselves.

A great choice for free calibration test patterns for basic optimization is the free AVD HD 709 calibration patterns found here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...libration.html

Just download the MP4 files, place on a USB flash drive, and plug into the TV. Simple. No glasses/filters needed. Apparently the traditional blue filter and these patterns won't work well with new OLED TVs that have a wider color gamut. Best bet is to choose one of the ISF Expert picture modes, and leave color and tint at default settings.

Test Ickles 12-01-2017 07:45 AM

Use the money from not buying an EW and spent it on a calibration. Calibration essential, EW a waste of money.

solaris72 12-01-2017 08:04 AM

I just got my TV (Sony A1E) yesterday and if i do the calibration after 100 hours and for some reason if reset the TV for something, the calibration that the technician do will go away? How that work? Sorry if its bad question.

canali12 12-01-2017 09:17 AM

thanks for all the imput.
i've decided to go with pro services, paying cdn$400 for
richard stokes of 'finely tune technologies'
located out of west vancouver.
http://www.finelytuned.ca/

Richard was referred to me by the highly regarded michael chen
when i emailed michael about trying to find an equally competent local person in my area.
my friend had his pioneer kuro plasma tv calibrated by michael when he first got it yrs ago:
the process was over 4 hrs long and he says was money very well spent.
he also suggested that these top tier guys might have equipment and software (let alone experience)
that some of the other mid tier companies might not.

sure it's not cheap: but my tv ain't cheap either esp in terms of the image she can produce when calibrated at her best.

Test Ickles 12-01-2017 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by solaris72 (Post 55237520)
I just got my TV (Sony A1E) yesterday and if i do the calibration after 100 hours and for some reason if reset the TV for something, the calibration that the technician do will go away? How that work? Sorry if its bad question.

Write down all your settings in case.

alettiere 12-01-2017 03:14 PM

It's not essential. Many people dial in settings that people suggest and they're more than satisfied. Although copying someone else's settings is not a "calibration" - it's just simply a subjective view of what looks "good" to your eyes. Honestly, that's really all that matters.

Calibration is for those of us who want to get the absolute maximum PQ potential from our TVs and are usually people (myself included) who are sticklers for wanting things to look accurate - especially when it comes to the director's intentions. There are some great professional calibrators out there, but you can also do it yourself with a meter and software. It sounds intimidating, but there are plenty of YouTube videos that walk you through the process - particularly with Calman.

Test Ickles 12-02-2017 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55238112)
thanks for all the imput.
i've decided to go with pro services, paying cdn$400 for
richard stokes of 'finely tune technologies'
located out of west vancouver.
http://www.finelytuned.ca/

Richard was referred to me by the highly regarded michael chen
when i emailed michael about trying to find an equally competent local person in my area.
my friend had his pioneer kuro plasma tv calibrated by michael when he first got it yrs ago:
the process was over 4 hrs long and he says was money very well spent.
he also suggested that these top tier guys might have equipment and software (let alone experience)
that some of the other mid tier companies might not.

sure it's not cheap: but my tv ain't cheap either esp in terms of the image she can produce when calibrated at her best.

Good job. You should also be getting an HDR and Dolby Vision calibration as well.

canali12 12-02-2017 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Test Ickles (Post 55244632)
Good job. You should also be getting an HDR and Dolby Vision calibration as well.

in his email to me he said that his price includes ''both a HD SDR and UHD HDR ISF calibration on the LG OLED display.''

MagicMan3 12-20-2017 10:07 AM

I've had Michael Chen calibrate a couple tv's for me and he does a great job. One I get my b7 setup and male sure it's a keeper I'll have him do this as well

tanis38 12-20-2017 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by canali12 (Post 55203570)
no..but my bud has one..guess i could borrow his


In my opinion, to get the most out of a 4K OLED screen, you need to feed it 4k UHD Bluray movies. Streaming 4k is great and will look very nice, but it will still have more compression than playing it off a UHD disc. The best content you will see on your TV will come from disc (and games).


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