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It has its own thread and pretty much a waste of money right now.
I want a 88" Old for the larger screen because the wall my tv is 14'. I do not want the 88" for 8k which is just hype but have a feeling the only way I am going to get a screen larger than 77" is to get a 8k tv. When I move into a house in a few years I already got the ok from the WIFE to build a dedicated theater which I got a budget of $250,000. Hopefully I can have it done for less but I am going all out. The big tv will go in the living room.
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When I move into a house in a few years I already got the ok from the WIFE to build a dedicated theater
I suggest also looking at the few "laser" projectors for your install for big screen size. For the budget, you can likely do both the TV and projector.
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I want a 88" Old for the larger screen because the wall my tv is 14'. I do not want the 88" for 8k which is just hype but have a feeling the only way I am going to get a screen larger than 77" is to get a 8k tv.
There's always the 100Z9D - not an OLED, but the second best thing, and it's still 4K. A few years is a long time to keep settling for a screen that isn't large enough for your needs.

The 88" LG OLED is a CES demonstration - note the lack of a consumer model number. And it might only come out late 2018 or even 2019; 8K is crippled without HDMI 2.1. Of course it had to be 8K, will any less get noticed at the CES?

Meanwhile, the main takeaway for most consumers will be the 77C8. Based on the usual price difference between C/E/G/W models, it's likely to get a reasonable price (I'd put the over/under at $7,999) and by the end of the year start dipping close to that $5,000 dream number.
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There's always the 100Z9D - not an OLED, but the second best thing, and it's still 4K. A few years is a long time to keep settling for a screen that isn't large enough for your needs.

The 88" LG OLED is a CES demonstration - note the lack of a consumer model number. And it might only come out late 2018 or even 2019; 8K is crippled without HDMI 2.1. Of course it had to be 8K, will any less get noticed at the CES?

Meanwhile, the main takeaway for most consumers will be the 77C8. Based on the usual price difference between C/E/G/W models, it's likely to get a reasonable price (I'd put the over/under at $7,999) and by the end of the year start dipping close to that $5,000 dream number.
Thankfully I can be patient because I currently have an E6 65” in my living room and kuro 110fd in the bedroom.
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But there is no content that supports HDMI 2.1 so why the disappointment? We are getting eARC, that's important.

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But there is no content that supports HDMI 2.1 so why the disappointment? We are getting eARC, that's important.
I believe you need 2.1 for eARC but I could be wrong. If so that?s the only benefit of 2.1 for right now I believe?

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It has its own thread and pretty much a waste of money right now.
I want a 88" Old for the larger screen because the wall my tv is 14'. I do not want the 88" for 8k which is just hype but have a feeling the only way I am going to get a screen larger than 77" is to get a 8k tv. When I move into a house in a few years I already got the ok from the WIFE to build a dedicated theater which I got a budget of $250,000. Hopefully I can have it done for less but I am going all out. The big tv will go in the living room.
Well size is different then! Dumb question I have I?m assuming since it?s an 8K tv is the HDMI 2.1 their to support it when the time comes and does it have HDR10 and Dolby Vision support?

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Big—though hardly surprising—news at CES 2018: LG OLED TVs are even better than last year!

https://www.avsforum.com/lg-oled-tvs-ces-2018/
exactly,Scott
...and 2019 models will be better than 2018...2020 models will be better than 2019. and 2021 models will be better than 2020...etc etc ....otherwise why buy new.

i just got an LG Oled B7 65'' to replace my 14 yr old rear projection and so far am loving it...
and last wkend bought an apple 4k tv box, too.

maybe in 5-6 yrs when hdmi 2.1 is tweaked, refined with all the supporting players then i'll upgrade at that point.
then a 77'' will be a perfect replacement for my 65''
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With regards to “no consumer content”. It should be noted that PC video games can be run at 120fps
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If you bought an LG OLED TV in 2017, buyer's remorse probably won't be an issue.
And if you're waiting for a final round of price drops on a 2017 OLED TV, perhaps timed for the Super Bowl, potential buyer's remorse is not a good reason to wait for the new versions, IMO.
LG's 2017 OLED TVs are our all-time favorites for high-end buyers, and the company's 2018 models look to continue that trend with a lineup, and feature set, that's mostly the same.
The top-end set for 2018, the W8 series, retains the ultra-thin "wallpaper" design that debuted last year, and the step-down E8 series is similar to last year's E7 design, albeit with a slightly slimmer sound bar. The less-expensive series, C8 and B8, keep the more standard-looking, while still super-thin, design.
2018 LG OLED TV Lineup

Series Style Sizes (inches) Shipping Processor W8 Wallpaper 77, 65 June A9 E8 Picture on glass 65, 55 June A9 C8 Blade-slim 77, 65, 55 March A9 B8 Blade-slim 65, 55 June A7
New for 2018: Processing, high frame rate, voice control

LG's 2018 OLED TVs have mostly the same picture-affecting features as last year, including perfect black levels, similar light output and color gamut/color volume capabilities, and compatibility with all three major HDR formats. For audio all of the series above continue to support Dolby Atmos, just like most of the 2017 sets, and none of them have HDMI 2.1.
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Agreed...i believe the hobbit movies were at 120fps...and made me sick.
Hobbit movies were at 48 fps.
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Agreed...i believe the hobbit movies were at 120fps...and made me sick.
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I believe you need 2.1 for eARC but I could be wrong. If so that?s the only benefit of 2.1 for right now I believe?
eARC was defined in 2.1 spec, but it can be integrated in 2.0 hardware via a firmware upgrade because it doesn't require the increased bandwidth that 2.1 offers.

Only stuff that requires more than 18Gbps cannot be implemented. Stuff like 8K 120Hz 12bit HDR... and there's even specs for 10K
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The big news to me is the 77” C Series. If that starts at a more reasonable MSRP than the 77” G from last year there’s a chance at near $5K street pricing by the end of 2018.
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Why are people disappointed that there's no HDMI2.1?

HDTVtest said that there's 0% chance we'll see a TV with HDMI2.1 in 2018 as there's no hardware built yet up to spec.
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I believe you need 2.1 for eARC but I could be wrong. If so that?s the only benefit of 2.1 for right now I believe?
Since a lot of people are asking this question, I think many are missing who the audience for HDMI 2.1 (VFR) is, and it's mostly people who play video games, especially those who hate frame-tearing and have to struggle with poor implementations of vsync+triple buffering (or the lack thereof). This is what VFR in HDMI 2.1 would change and it would be huge for those that use HTPCs (such as myself).

In terms of consumer content, the Xbox One X already implemented HDMI 2.1 and is a "ready" device. Remember, the display is one of the first things that has to change in order to encourage adoption, as otherwise, it's a chicken and the egg dilemma.

I for one, was really looking forward to the 2018 model as it was the only reason I didn't upgrade in 2017 (I want VFR from HDMI 2.1). I figured if nVidia didn't upgrade their current drivers to allow VFR compatibility with their current cards (HDMI mentioned vaguely that some features could be upgraded via software) that I would simply be in line for an 1180/2080 that will release in 2018 as well (I'm coming from a 980) which should have HDMI 2.1 by default. The last piece of this puzzle is the AVR, which would also need to accept/passthrough HDMI 2.1 but wasn't critical since there are workarounds (although not the ideal).

So now I'm disappointed like many others. If another manufacturer (Panasonic or Sony) includes HDMI 2.1, then that would be a huge advantage for them (for people like me who care) and I would definitely just purchase one of those sets. FWIW, the Panasonic started being carried in Canada by Visions.

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Yep either get a 2017 model on the cheap or wait another year. I have a feeling that Sony won?t be getting 2.1 this year either.
This is the alternative. My dilemma is that I don't feel like upgrading the AVR just to replace it in another year and redo a whole lot of setting up. The lack of HDMI 2.1 is a real drag (for me).
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Why are people disappointed that there's no HDMI2.1?

HDTVtest said that there's 0% chance we'll see a TV with HDMI2.1 in 2018 as there's no hardware built yet up to spec.

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If another manufacturer (Panasonic or Sony) includes HDMI 2.1, then that would be a huge advantage for them (for people like me who care) and I would definitely just purchase one of those sets.
While I certainly hope this will happen, as I'm always a fan of competition, I sincerely doubt it. TVs go through the same production pipeline like phones. And that pipeline is usually 12-18 months.

Most of the TV manufacturers launch their new line of TVs in the first half of the year, which means most of them probably had a finished spec sheet in Q3 2017, which was before the spec was finalized and before 2.1 chips were even available.
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Xbox X is.
Xbox X is not a TV.
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But there is no content that supports HDMI 2.1 so why the disappointment? We are getting eARC, that's important.
There is, computers, to a lesser extent consoles.
Of course 2.1 specs have only just been finalized; LG could have still installed a capable chip based on prelim specs and promised a firmware upgrade to 2.1.

And to anyone saying 1080p is enough, 4K is a gimmick... it's your content that is the weak link. Old film scans just aren't high-detail content, whatever res they're scanned in. The lenses weren't quite as good, the film stock was just plain terrible. Even modern film doesn't entirely support 4K outside of IMAX. It's only with very recent, all-digital productions made with 5K+ cameras that 4K pays off.

On digitally rendered content, on the other hand, the difference is dramatic. It's not comparable, it's not something you have to look for, it's like taking off a pair of glasses you dug out of the ground and used to watch through for some weird reason. And it's such even on aging content, which is easily rendered at 120+ fps. For newer content, 2.1 bandwidth is required just to do HDR at 60.

And we need 120 fps. Actually, according to this, we need 1K+, but 120 is closer to what we could settle for. The higher the resolution, the higher the framerate required to visually resolve it in motion. Even for SD, 24 frames were lacking. 2K needs 120+ to resolve with moderate motion, and each next doubling of the resolution calls for twice the framerate.
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Xbox X is not a TV.
Thought you said no hardware yet, Xbox X is a great hdmi2.1 UHD bluray player as well, but needs a tv, so there is your hardware.
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Typo? eARC?

Available HDMI 2.1 eARC capable AVR, like the Marantz SR7012, are ready to be certified for HDMI 2.1 eARC when the related HDMI 2.1 compliance tests are finalized.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-hi...l#post54807336

"eARC (Enhanced Audio Return Channel) supports the transmission of 3D audio from your TV apps with a single HDMI connection for the simplest setup. This feature will be enabled via a future firmware update."
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Current 7-series LG TVs already send Atmos out via regular ARC, using a compressed Dolby Digital Plus stream.

eARC would enable bitstream passthrough of uncompressed Atmos tracks.

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Okay, so this year is gonna be quite uneventful in terms of really useful new TV tech.
No HDMI 2.1, no re-introduction of 3D with OLED (I won't renounce my 3D BD library, for me the effect represents better value than the current HDR), no further expanded color gamut (the current OLEDs still don't even cover DCI fully), no higher peak luminance with OLED.
So for me it's gonna be another year with my beloved ZT60 plasma TV.
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While I certainly hope this will happen, as I'm always a fan of competition, I sincerely doubt it. TVs go through the same production pipeline like phones. And that pipeline is usually 12-18 months.

Most of the TV manufacturers launch their new line of TVs in the first half of the year, which means most of them probably had a finished spec sheet in Q3 2017, which was before the spec was finalized and before 2.1 chips were even available.
Sadly, that seems to be the reality, one can still hope though.

I wasn't expecting full HDMI 2.1 compliance (e.g. for the things that require higher bandwidth) but I was expecting some of the features to become available since they would've have some guidance towards what needed to be in place (or at the very least, a planned firmware update), but this doesn't seem to be in the cards for LG sets (at least so far as they've disclosed).

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Sadly, that seems to be the reality, one can still hope though.

I wasn't expecting full HDMI 2.1 compliance (e.g. for the things that require higher bandwidth) but I was expecting some of the features to become available since they would've have some guidance towards what needed to be in place (or at the very least, a planned firmware update), but this doesn't seem to be in the cards for LG sets (at least so far as they've disclosed).
Ya I was hoping for hdr10+ and eARC to be added maybe they will announce it during their keynote

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If I did not have a C7 already I would look at the C8 hard just for the improved processing/upscaling as I watch a lot of cable tv content. To me the motion/upscaling is by far my C7s biggest flaw.

But since I have a virtually band free/color blotch free/ vignetting free 65C7 there is no pull at all to sell it for an 18.

Lack of HDMI 2.1 is no surprise. Frankly if it shows up on 19 sets I would be a little surprised.
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i really wished TV makers would HDMI inputs modular like a slot-based solution some of the premium AVRs have. then you can swap out HDMI 2.0 with HDMI 2.1 input modules... voila! problem solved.

of course... that will never happen... because they dont want you to keep TVs that long! hahaha.

in reality majority of consumers upgrade when their current one dies or has issues (planned obsolescence)

also, i did not see this anywhere... but 2018 TVs are still 10bit panels right?

do you guys think 12bit panels will ever arrive? that would really blow things up in terms of HDR.

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I thought eARC was being added ? but how comprehensive it will work, both internal Apps and other sources remain to be seen.
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I should of clarified uncompressed eARC

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Darn shame the wallpaper still has those speakers vs a smaller breakout box.

It makes me wonder if maybe most of that bar is the breakout box and it needs to be big. "screw it.. we might as well put speakers on this..."

I was dreaming of a 77" wallpaper.. but not with that darn bar. It is to big to hide.

Maybe i'll take the year off? (i'll been buying 1 or 2 oleds ever year since the ef9500...)

argh! the E7 65" is to darn small!

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But there is no content that supports HDMI 2.1 so why the disappointment? We are getting eARC, that's important.
I'm really looking forward to 2.1 - i'm sick of changing from RBG, 8, Full to 10bit, Ycbcr422 limited when i need to play an HDR game on the PC.
2.1 will give me RGB 10bit and full... wooo.. of course this is minor issue

VFR would be nice too.. but i don't really care much about VFR on a TV. Vsync doesn't bug me when i'm using a controller. That said, it would be cool to have. VFR and a high frame rate using a mouse.. that is big deal.

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