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thats the best news i heard in this entire thread lol. if they can get 900 nits of of the set and sonys even beefier processor my c7 will be boxed up in a heartbeat lol
I thought 900 Nits were already delivered on the 2017s.

If not, getting to peak HDR output of 900 Nits in 2018 is merely delivering what LG promised for 2017:
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I thought 900 Nits were already delivered on the 2017s.

If not, getting to peak HDR output of 900 Nits in 2018 is merely delivering what LG promised for 2017:
was promised but we merely got 700.. alittle higher if you got a cherry sample ... ideallly id like 1k nit being alot of movies are mastered in it
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was promised but we merely got 700.. alittle higher if you got a cherry sample ... ideallly id like 1k nit being alot of movies are mastered in it
well if that's true, I think 900 Nits peak HDR brightness for highlights is the least we should expect for the 2018 models...
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No HDMI 2.1, no go for me...
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Unless you have a B6, the 2016 series holds its own especially when accounting for a lost feature (that I won't mention again) for which films are still being released.
Would you trade a G6 for a banding free Oled B6? I think it all summarize on how good is the uniformity of the panel.

for me a person that gets a banding free Oled is the real winner.
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Not with over 100 3D titles and not when I've seen G6s that are also practically banding free (though rare). I don't understand why anyone needs to settle if they're willing to pay. Further, there was no 77" B6 available. If they can make a low-end B6 banding-free, what is the holdup on a $20k panel?
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Natural fluid motion?

So, no 2018 TV can display motion as naturally and fluidly as plasma?
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was promised but we merely got 700.. alittle higher if you got a cherry sample ... ideallly id like 1k nit being alot of movies are mastered in it
Well, it was promised when using a 1% or 2% window in Vivid mode, so inaccurate colors. When using a 10% window for standard measurements with an accurate preset, it is nowhere close to that of course. I didn't measure a 1% window in vivid because that would be playing the specs game with them, but they might be correct using their methodology.

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A few thoughts on this running thread --

 Would like to see W7 panel only with no visible speaker.
 Also wanted: 1000+ nitts, a headphone jack
 HDMI 2.1 or 120fps is a 'want' item not a 'need' item. I for one don’t want or need it, as I don’t want my movies to look like soap opera.
 Sony A1E is out of the question for me due to lack of a perpendicular stand and wall-mounting it is a pain.

Final verdict: Keep my 5-y.o. Panasonic Plasma and buy a 65" C7 for $1k in a few years.
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I agree. Keeping the ZT65 Panny for now.
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Welp... now I've got to decide whether to get a C7 to sit on for a while and just move it over to a bedroom set in a year, OR, put up with something like a TCL P series until 2019.

And since I ain't giving up gaming any decade soon, HDMI 2.1 is actually a relevant problem for me. Ugh -_-

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I thought 900 Nits were already delivered on the 2017s.

If not, getting to peak HDR output of 900 Nits in 2018 is merely delivering what LG promised for 2017:
900nits was dynamic mode only. After Calibration, the d65 for hdr was only like 650-700.
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A few thoughts on this running thread --

 Would like to see W7 panel only with no visible speaker.
 Also wanted: 1000+ nitts, a headphone jack
 HDMI 2.1 or 120fps is a 'want' item not a 'need' item. I for one don’t want or need it, as I don’t want my movies to look like soap opera.
 Sony A1E is out of the question for me due to lack of a perpendicular stand and wall-mounting it is a pain.

Final verdict: Keep my 5-y.o. Panasonic Plasma and buy a 65" C7 for $1k in a few years.
120fps has been confirmed . id love to see a 1000 nits as well. as for the a1e. we have no idea if the 2018 sony oleds will keep the same stand design
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On IFA Berlin 2017 in Sep, Philips presented their new 2018 OLED models. These had higher nits than previously presented: 900nits:
The Philips 65OLED973 has a 2017 panel and is not a really a 2018 OLED TV. It´s the renamed 65POS9602 which was pushed back from an expected launch in autumn 2017 to January 2018. 1000nits was only vivid mode and with 1-3% window, around 700nits calibrated. It was a clear statement by LG at CES 2017 in contrast to the wrong claims from Samsung with their QLED series.
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oh i'd love to have this feature =)

but it's minimize upgrade costs.

why wouldn't consumers want this? the hassle of shipping TVs back and forth? i was talking about a modular slot that you can remove and plug in vs. shipping the entire TV back to mfr.


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Samsung used to offer "brain transplants" for a number of models actually.

I'm sure they sold almost zero of them.

This is not a feature consumers actually want.

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oh i'd love to have this feature =)

but it's minimize upgrade costs.

why wouldn't consumers want this? the hassle of shipping TVs back and forth? i was talking about a modular slot that you can remove and plug in vs. shipping the entire TV back to mfr.
Making it modular costs more than not doing so.

99.99% of people would never upgrade and want the cheapest possible option.

So modular upgrades are not worth it for most products.
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120fps has been confirmed . id love to see a 1000 nits as well. as for the a1e. we have no idea if the 2018 sony oleds will keep the same stand design
120fps would require hdmi 2.1. The bandwidth in hdmi 2.0x is not enough to deliver true 120fps @ 4k. Displayport is on option of course, which I would prefer as a PC user, but I doubt it...
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Thought you said no hardware yet, Xbox X is a great hdmi2.1 UHD bluray player as well, but needs a tv, so there is your hardware.
Hardware as in TV's which is what this sub-forum is all about.

What good are sources with nothing to watch it on??

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Here goes the "all models offer the same picture quality" experiment. Look at B Series processor. Too bad
Guess we will wait to see how that pans out, have to get the units in the hands of calibrators.........
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Thought you said no hardware yet, Xbox X is a great hdmi2.1 UHD bluray player as well, but needs a tv, so there is your hardware.
Xbox One X is HDMI 2.1 because it has VRR. That is the only part of HDMI 2.1 it has.

The Marantz SR6012 I just ordered supports eARC. That makes it HDMI 2.1 as well, although again, not in a particularly useful way given what I think most people want is all the HDMI 2.1 features.

Also the Xbox One X has some color conversion issues from what I saw that makes it not a very good UHD player in fact. Sounds like it converts everything to RGB internally then back to YUV before sending it over HDMI and does part of the conversion wrong (or at least inaccurately).
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i really wished TV makers would HDMI inputs modular like a slot-based solution some of the premium AVRs have. then you can swap out HDMI 2.0 with HDMI 2.1 input modules... voila! problem solved.

of course... that will never happen... because they dont want you to keep TVs that long! hahaha.

in reality majority of consumers upgrade when their current one dies or has issues (planned obsolescence)

also, i did not see this anywhere... but 2018 TVs are still 10bit panels right?

do you guys think 12bit panels will ever arrive? that would really blow things up in terms of HDR.
The processor has to support the signal bandwidth, so the HDMI ports are part of the video processor. So unless you want to make the entire electronics replaceable, then you can't make HDMI upgradable.

Would it be better to back to analog video that didn't change for 50 years? Didn't have to worry at all about something better coming out next year that your TV couldn't do.

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like i said, it's all planned obsolescence

it is technically possible to engineer something to take into account all those variables. there's not just an affordable/profitable way to do so.


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The processor has to support the signal bandwidth, so the HDMI ports are part of the video processor. So unless you want to make the entire electronics replaceable, then you can't make HDMI upgradable.

Would it be better to back to analog video that didn't change for 50 years? Didn't have to worry at all about something better coming out next year that your TV couldn't do.

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I should of clarified uncompressed eARC

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eARC is the new HDMI 2.1 37Mbps over the never used ethernet wires (Since those could do 100Mbps ethernet, doing 37Mbps audio is no problem) and has it's own negotiation protocol that does not use CEC (so eARC will work perfectly even with CEC disabled).

ARC is about 1Mbps (maybe 1.5 or 2 in some cases) and uses CEC for negotiation. HDMI 2.1 of course still supports ARC. eARC is a totally new independent feature.

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Less banding, please.
What is banding?

I've just tuned into oled tvs. I have a 4ish year old sony r550 lcd and absolutely have the ghosting and off angle picture dropout.

I've heard that oleds don't have these problems at all. Would you guys recommend forking over the $ for one of these in 2018 or some other full array local dimming lcd?

What benefit would hdmi2.1 bring if Im not interested in atmos?
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like i said, it's all planned obsolescence

it is technically possible to engineer something to take into account all those variables. there's not just an affordable/profitable way to do so.
True you can design something flexible enough to be upgraded to just about anything. I had a dialup modem made like that (It was not cheap). It started as a 33.6, then a free firmware update made it 56k X2, then another upgrade made it V.90. It was built using a fast DSP and lots of memory (for the time) rather than a dedicated modem chip design and could simply be programmed to do just about anything that could be imagined to go over a phone line. It also cost 3 or 4 times as much as your average modem at the time. It did have some other unusual features to help make it worth the money though. Same model is still made and for sale today, some 20 years later. I guess there was nothing left to improve on.

So yes it can be done.

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I want a 88" Old for the larger screen because the wall my tv is 14'. I do not want the 88" for 8k which is just hype but have a feeling the only way I am going to get a screen larger than 77" is to get a 8k tv. When I move into a house in a few years I already got the ok from the WIFE to build a dedicated theater which I got a budget of $250,000. Hopefully I can have it done for less but I am going all out. The big tv will go in the living room.
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i haven't kept up lately.

isn't it true that there are still some modular slot-based AV components (separates or integrated amps) still in service today?

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True you can design something flexible enough to be upgraded to just about anything. I had a dialup modem made like that (It was not cheap). It started as a 33.6, then a free firmware update made it 56k X2, then another upgrade made it V.90. It was built using a fast DSP and lots of memory (for the time) rather than a dedicated modem chip design and could simply be programmed to do just about anything that could be imagined to go over a phone line. It also cost 3 or 4 times as much as your average modem at the time. It did have some other unusual features to help make it worth the money though. Same model is still made and for sale today, some 20 years later. I guess there was nothing left to improve on.

So yes it can be done.

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also, do you guys think 12bit panels will ever arrive?

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