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This was helpful information for me also. But while I was able to download the HTML manual, and unzip it, when I try to open the userguide,html with Safari or Chrome on my Mac, it gives me a page to select the language (English, etc.), but nothing happens when I click English. I think that's my language. Maybe they're trying to tell me something?

Anyone else having this issue? I know you can also access the user guide directly from the LG website, but it would be nice to keep a direct link on my desktop.
Try accessing this file directly: atsc/Apps/u_enga/index.html
I've just redownloaded it and unzipped it in a new directory and I did not have problems. After selecting English it brought me to the above page.


What you want is basically the "Tour of settings" section (atsc/Apps/u_enga/settings.html)




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Hi all, I just purchased my 55C8 this past week and I've been having issues with SOE appearing in 24P and 25P footage even with TruMotion turned off. I see it in all movies and TV shows.

I tend to notice it more in evenly lit or darker scenes. It's not as bad as having TruMotion turned on, but I most definitely notice it and it drives me nuts.

I originally had a B8 which had awful gray uniformity. So I upgraded hoping that the C8 might fix the issue. Has anyone else experienced this? Anyone know if there's a way around this? I've tried everything in the user accessible menus.

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Try accessing this file directly: atsc/Apps/u_enga/index.html
I've just redownloaded it and unzipped it in a new directory and I did not have problems. After selecting English it brought me to the above page.

Still not happening. None of the files I open in the unzipped folder allow me to do anything but open the file. I don't know, maybe it's a Mac issue. I'll just access it directly from the LG site I guess. It works fine then.

Anyway, a sincere thanks for your help.
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You have the link on that forums discussion?
Ooooh, it was on avforums and hifi-forum, I´ll look closer tomorrow to find the concrete postings.

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Its just so frustrating that dimming. What were they thinking?Lets ruin their experience.
You are absoluteley right. I also have a C7 and a B6, both do NOT show that behaviour at all. Only my C8. The problem is not the ABL itself, it is that annoying 1s delay. Imo this can not be intended. But I am scared a little to do this service menu thing and void the warranty (do I realy???). Does someone know, if LG can somehow "track" this, if there was service menu access, even if it did´nt break anything?
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And if there is an issue - because more than a few of us do not have this problem - I have no doubt LG will address it quickly. They have a solid history of delivering meaningful firmware updates over the last few years. Stay off this thread Chris, I'm not ready for a 77" yet
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I thing it is enough to set the "HDR Module" to on (instead of "normal") . The other two settings you don´t need. In different forums I have read three independent confirmations, that it turns off the delayed dimming and undimming. My only problem: I am not sure to what extend I threaten my warranty. Will I void the warranty only by entering service menu, even if I do not brick anything? Does anybody know?
You only void your warranty if you screw something up (which is VERY easy to do in the SM) and need to call for service. Otherwise, they have no way of knowing that you were messing in an area where you shouldn't be.
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I thing it is enough to set the "HDR Module" to on (instead of "normal") . The other two settings you don´t need. In different forums I have read three independent confirmations, that it turns off the delayed dimming and undimming. My only problem: I am not sure to what extend I threaten my warranty. Will I void the warranty only by entering service menu, even if I do not brick anything? Does anybody know?
When you say "HDR Module" are you referring to the HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color Setting? I know Cnet and Rtings say to leave it On [for inputs connected to 4K HDR sources] but what about a blu ray player that can play back both regular HD and UHD HDR discs? Does the on setting automatically adjust to the Disc/Input? So that colors are adjusted automatically on the TV?


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When you say "HDR Module" are you referring to the HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color Setting? I know Cnet and Rtings say to leave it On [for inputs connected to 4K HDR sources] but what about a blu ray player that can play back both regular HD and UHD HDR discs? Does the on setting automatically adjust to the Disc/Input? So that colors are adjusted automatically on the TV?


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No, it's a changeable setting in the service menu.
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Anyone else having this issue? I know you can also access the user guide directly from the LG website, but it would be nice to keep a direct link on my desktop.
Works fine for me (Win10/Chrome), although I'm prefer the content in PDF format.
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Although I am not experiencing the dimming issue, I hope LG fixes this as this seems to be affecting a lot of new owners...if it was deliberate then shame on LG, they should have known that this would be distracting.
As someone who's about to acquire the C8, what would I be losing if I choose not to upgrade the firmware? That is, using it out of the box. Have there been any significant improvements? Is it possible to download an older version of the firmware that doesn't have the dimming issue?

I was thinking of the getting the A8F and using it without updating the firmware, but there'd be no Dolby Vision. Speaking of which, is Dolby Vision really worth the hassle? I've heard it sometimes results in crushed or raised blacks with Netflix. How much of an improvement is it over standard HDR-10?

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^I didn't see any change tbh...if you wanna play safe don't update it. As far as DV, to me HDR10 has improved to the point where I barely see a difference, I wouldn't let DV stop you from making the purchase, hope this helps.
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As someone who's about to acquire the C8, what would I be losing if I choose not to upgrade the firmware? That is, using it out of the box. Have there been any significant improvements? Is it possible to download an older version of the firmware that doesn't have the dimming issue?

I was thinking of the getting the A8F and using it without updating the firmware, but there'd be no Dolby Vision. Speaking of which, is Dolby Vision really worth the hassle? I've heard it sometimes results in crushed or raised blacks with Netflix. How much of an improvement is it over standard HDR-10?

A well respected calibrator and video specialist - DNice - who is fortunate to have all of the Sony's (A1E, A8F and A9F) and the LG C8 in his home has said that a well authored HDR10 disk looks as good as one encoded with DV. I'd buy the display that you want to get, I picked the C8 because I didn't feel the A8F was worth the extra $ for what it suppose to do better (not much IMO). In the end its your TV, get what you want and enjoy. Can't go wrong either way. Sony will fix the DV problem, just like LG will address the dimming problems - if either display has them. That seems to be the source of debate among owners of both.

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A well respected calibrator and video specialist - DNice - who is fortunate to have all of the Sony's (A1E, A8F and A9F) and the LG C8 in his home has said that a well authored HDR10 disk looks as good as one encoded with DV. I'd buy the display that you want to get, I picked the C8 because I didn't feel the A8F was worth the extra $ for what it suppose to do better (not much IMO). In the end its your TV, get what you want and enjoy. Can't go wrong either way. Sony will fix the DV problem, just like LG will address the dimming problems - if either display has them. That seems to be the source of debate among owners of both.
Good to know. They're available for the same price for me, but I do like the LG's static logo luminance feature. I bet it's useful for dimming just the HUDs in games.

There are no issues out of the box with the LG C8, right? I don't plan to ever upgrade the firmware after buying it.

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^I didn't see any change tbh...if you wanna play safe don't update it. As far as DV, to me HDR10 has improved to the point where I barely see a difference, I wouldn't let DV stop you from making the purchase, hope this helps.
Thank you! I was a bit worried about the dimming issue popping up with HUDs in games. But at this point, since the C8 doesn't have any issues out of the box, I don't plan on upgrading the firmware for a very long time (if ever).


Were there any issues with Dolby Vision when the set first launched? I vaguely remember something about raised blacks that were later fixed by firmware?

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Good to know. They're available for the same price for me, but I do like the LG's static logo luminance feature. I bet it's useful for dimming just the HUDs in games.

There are no issues out of the box with the LG C8, right? I don't plan to ever upgrade the firmware after buying it.

Unfortunately the logo dimming feature doesn't work when using any mode with low input lag like the game preset or pc-mode, which is really a shame as it would be most useful for dimming game huds.
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What tends to be the most color accurate mode on lg tv's (for sdr on the c8)? i'll be helping setting up a friend's lg c8 this weekend and it's the first time i'll be using a lg tv menu since i bought a goldstar tube tv in 1990.
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^yeah because 28 years later "goldstar" will be using the same menu...you can search the thread for your answer. If you, yourself are not buying this set remember that this is an OWNERS thread, you've been warned on the Sony threads...don't troll this thread.
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Unfortunately the logo dimming feature doesn't work when using any mode with low input lag like the game preset or pc-mode, which is really a shame as it would be most useful for dimming game huds.
That's alright, I guess, I'm cool with using the ISF Expert mode for gaming.
I'll be playing mostly singleplayer games and I can deal with 50 ms of input lag. My current LG LCD is around the same anyway.

I'll be happy to be able to play without worrying about bright HUD elements (like the map in Spider-Man or the flashing red 'WANTED' alert in Red Dead Redemption 2). How effective is it though? Does it make a considerable difference? This might be one of the deciding factors for me when choosing the LG over the Sony.


By the way, people often compare motion handling between the Sony and LG; if I turn off de-judder and de-blur and frame interpolation, this comparison would be moot for me, right? I don't like the motion to be manipulated in any way by the device and I plan on leaving all those options at 0.

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^yeah because 28 years later "goldstar" will be using the same menu...you can search the thread for your answer. If you, yourself are not buying this set remember that this is an OWNERS thread.
problem is if i create a separate new thread for such a question, the mod merges the question in the owners thread, so i thought i ask here. 80% viewing of his will be sdr he doesnt have access to much hdr content, what mode works best..upon reading some pages back (and also posing the question on another forum) , the clue i get is using isf or teknicolor? but i hear teknicolor though having fine tuned colors also has more low ire problems (banding/blocking in low ire content)? what do you use in sdr?
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^technicolor for both hdr/sdr.
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problem is if i create a separate new thread for such a question, the mod merges the question in the owners thread, so i thought i ask here. 80% viewing of his will be sdr he doesnt have access to much hdr content, what mode works best..upon reading some pages back (and also posing the question on another forum) , the clue i get is using isf or teknicolor? but i hear teknicolor though having fine tuned colors also has more low ire problems (banding/blocking in low ire content)? what do you use in sdr?


To be fair, it shouldn’t need to be asked again...it’s asked every single damn day in here! I wish people would stop answering it and just say ‘do a search’. It seems half of this thread is the same stuff being asked and answered all the time. It’s a shame!


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By the way, people often compare motion handling between the Sony and LG; if I turn off de-judder and de-blur and frame interpolation, this comparison would be moot for me, right? I don't like the motion to be manipulated in any way by the device and I plan on leaving all those options at 0.
I'm in the same boat, I turn tru motion off, I don't use any motion interpolation on my Sony as well.
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Cool LG B8/C8 - 24P content has SOE with TruMotion off

Hi all - I recently purchased an LG B8 and then exchanged it for a C8. On both displays, I turned TruMotion off. When I play 24P or 25P content, the content has a slight soap opera effect applied.

Does anyone know if there is a user accessible way of fully disabling this? As much as I love the image quality, I am thinking about returning it and going back to my plasma.

If there isn't a user accessible way to fix this, is there anything else I can do?

Thanks!
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Hi all - I recently purchased an LG B8 and then exchanged it for a C8. On both displays, I turned TruMotion off. When I play 24P or 25P content, the content has a slight soap opera effect applied.

Does anyone know if there is a user accessible way of fully disabling this? As much as I love the image quality, I am thinking about returning it and going back to my plasma.

If there isn't a user accessible way to fix this, is there anything else I can do?

Thanks!
I believe what you are seeing is the Judder Free 24p feature. Try to set Real Cinema to OFF in the Picture Options Menu inside the Picture Mode and see if this helps you get the desired look.
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I'll be happy to be able to play without worrying about bright HUD elements (like the map in Spider-Man or the flashing red 'WANTED' alert in Red Dead Redemption 2). How effective is it though?
Not very, unfortunately. It's been discussed several times before on this thread, just like all the "what are the best settings?" questions as mentioned recently.

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In that case, you should definitely see it in action if possible before buying.
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That's alright, I guess, I'm cool with using the ISF Expert mode for gaming.
I'll be playing mostly singleplayer games and I can deal with 50 ms of input lag. My current LG LCD is around the same anyway.

I'll be happy to be able to play without worrying about bright HUD elements (like the map in Spider-Man or the flashing red 'WANTED' alert in Red Dead Redemption 2). How effective is it though? Does it make a considerable difference? This might be one of the deciding factors for me when choosing the LG over the Sony.


By the way, people often compare motion handling between the Sony and LG; if I turn off de-judder and de-blur and frame interpolation, this comparison would be moot for me, right? I don't like the motion to be manipulated in any way by the device and I plan on leaving all those options at 0.
My 2 cents, at the exact same price - I would buy the Sony for the better motion handling and upscaling. The C8's motion handling is good, but the Sony's is a hair better from what reviewers have said. The upscaling is also better on the Sony. But I primarily use the TV to watch TV and movies.

If you're using it to play games, the input lag might be more important which the C8 is better at. It also has a brighter HDR10 game mode so the C8 might be the best choice if you're an avid gamer.

The newest firmware for the C8 did fix a very annoying motion judder bug on slow pans for 24fps content (movies) - it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens it annoys me since the motion is very choppy. This bug was fixed in the 4.x firmware for the USA, was not fixed in the previous 3.x firmwares for the USA. It also fixed a lip sync issue I believe for people with sound bars.

BTW- I should add the motion judder bug I'm talking about occurs when all motion interpolation is turned off.

I haven't been able to test the newest 4.10.06 firmware that was just released - seems most are saying it doesn't fix the dimming problem?
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I believe what you are seeing is the Judder Free 24p feature. Try to set Real Cinema to OFF in the Picture Options Menu inside the Picture Mode and see if this helps you get the desired look.
Thanks for the tip. I'll confirm when I get home tonight, but I believe that Real Cinema is disabled when in Dolby Vision mode.
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