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Great but that just leads to confusion. Different TV models may get different firmware versions. C8-E8 only please as this is an owners thread.


Fair enough... but the problem of lip sync is widely reported on the C8 models.

I’m simply looking for input from fellow 2018 owners about lip sync from external devices over ARC. If anyone can provide provide a recommendation of a sound solution with no lag, it would be greatly appreciated.


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I’m using a B8 so I had 4.10.06, and am now on 4.10.07.

I can feed Dolby Digital 5.1 to the soundbar no problem and without delay from all the internal apps. The problem exists only when Dolby 5.1 is coming from an external device, into the TV, then out through ARC to the Sonos soundbar.



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My lip sync issue was from an external device a tv cable box when sending Dolby digital to C8. All internal apps Dolby digital was fine. After firmware update all okay but clearly B8 and C8 firmware are different. Maybe next firmware update for B8 will fix lip sync?
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I received another 77C8 today to see if the buzzing from the PSU was any quieter than my current one...it wasnt. So that’s 2 new TVs and an additional PSU which all exhibit the exact same noise problem. Those of you who don’t hear yours, or genuinely don’t buzz, are very lucky LOL.

I’m keeping my original set as the new one also had a bit of banding. I’ve got an uplift number with my original one as well from LG so I’ve got three months to decide what I want to do.


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Anyone else have Black Ops 4 on the xbox one? I had to turn off HDR for this game because it was awful!! Even at in game brightness of 0 it's still extremely washed out! All other games are fine so I'm assuming it's in need of a fix on the game level. Cant believe how bad it is!
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Are you in Europe by any chance? I have a C8 and still get the "no new firmware" message here.

I got the "04.10.06" update yoday but didn't update
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I received another 77C8 today to see if the buzzing from the PSU was any quieter than my current one...it wasnt. So that’s 2 new TVs and an additional PSU which all exhibit the exact same noise problem. Those of you who don’t hear yours, or genuinely don’t buzz, are very lucky LOL.

I’m keeping my original set as the new one also had a bit of banding. I’ve got an uplift number with my original one as well from LG so I’ve got three months to decide what I want to do.


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It’s super common, I went through 4 new in box 77c8 and only one of them was silent. And the one I hAve now that they swapped power supply is way better but still makes some noise on the dimmest of scenes but it’s pretty rare. I had one that was so loud it sounded like the tap was running in the kitchen. What do you think you are going to do? I’ve thought about trying another psu but Im waiting hoping LG fix the issue first on the power supply.
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I honestly don’t know what to do. I was looking at the E8 but they are so expensive and I don’t like them aesthetically-wise. But this buzzing really is ridiculous. My return period ends middle of January next year so I’ve plenty of time. I don’t suppose though the new models will be out till Spring.

If yours is only rarely heard then stick with it. Do you hear it in the fireworks screensaver you get when using the built in Youtube app? That’s always a good test for me. How the hell the PSU passed the design stage, let alone QC is beyond me!


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Anyone else have Black Ops 4 on the xbox one? I had to turn off HDR for this game because it was awful!! Even at in game brightness of 0 it's still extremely washed out! All other games are fine so I'm assuming it's in need of a fix on the game level. Cant believe how bad it is!
did you calibrate your xbox through its own settings menu? display menu 4k? i know there is a setting on either xbox or tv, thinking it might be gamma or black settings. i don't know why but turning it to high leaves blacks like bright grey but on low they are black
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I honestly don’t know what to do. I was looking at the E8 but they are so expensive and I don’t like them aesthetically-wise. But this buzzing really is ridiculous. My return period ends middle of January next year so I’ve plenty of time. I don’t suppose though the new models will be out till Spring.

If yours is only rarely heard then stick with it. Do you hear it in the fireworks screensaver you get when using the built in Youtube app? That’s always a good test for me. How the hell the PSU passed the design stage, let alone QC is beyond me!


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Yeah I get it there but it’s not super loud.
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Yeah I get it there but it’s not super loud.


I would definitely stick with yours. How come you didn’t keep the silent one? And was it really silent or just quiet compared to your other ones?


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I would definitely stick with yours. How come you didn’t keep the silent one? And was it really silent or just quiet compared to your other ones?


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It was silent never heard a sound from it. It had the 25% window issue on the panel. If I knew it was going to be so hard to get another silent one I would have waited 7 weeks for a replacement panel.
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It was silent never heard a sound from it. It had the 25% window issue on the panel. If I knew it was going to be so hard to get another silent one I would have waited 7 weeks for a replacement panel.


It grinds my gears knowing there are silent ones out there and I’ve had 3 noisy buggers! Am gonna hang tight for a bit and see what’s what. If the worst comes to the worst I will have to get the E8. The problem with that one is I can’t put my bias lighting behind it as, I believe, it can only be mounted straight on to a wall

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It grinds my gears knowing there are silent ones out there and I’ve had 3 noisy buggers! Am gonna hang tight for a bit and see what’s what. If the worst comes to the worst I will have to get the E8. The problem with that one is I can’t put my bias lighting behind it as, I believe, it can only be mounted straight on to a wall

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They don’t make the E8 in a 77. Would you drop to a 65? Yeah my panel is amazing. Hear is a 5% slide of my panel.
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Anyone else have Black Ops 4 on the xbox one? I had to turn off HDR for this game because it was awful!! Even at in game brightness of 0 it's still extremely washed out! All other games are fine so I'm assuming it's in need of a fix on the game level. Cant believe how bad it is!
did you calibrate your xbox through its own settings menu? display menu 4k? i know there is a setting on either xbox or tv, thinking it might be gamma or black settings. i don't know why but turning it to high leaves blacks like bright grey but on low they are black
The black levels are set correctly. All other hdr games look marvelous! Gears 4 battlefront 2 Destiny 2. This game is so far off I can set the in game brightness to 0 and it it still too washed out! I swear it's broken! I have to turn off HDR to play it. Then it looks great but not HDR great!
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They don’t make the E8 in a 77. Would you drop to a 65? Yeah my panel is amazing. Hear is a 5% slide of my panel.
Damn. That might be the best one I have seen.
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They don’t make the E8 in a 77. Would you drop to a 65? Yeah my panel is amazing. Hear is a 5% slide of my panel.


Nice. Mine is a good one too fortunately.

Sorry yes I meant the W8 in 77” not the E, you’re right.


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hi guys

i've been following this thread on & off so apologies if this has been covered already but what has been the consensus on the 2018 LG models wrt their weaknesses in previous years models ie Shadow details/black crush, motion & panel lottery?

any big negatives to this year's model that will make y'all suggest to hold off another year?
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hi guys

i've been following this thread on & off so apologies if this has been covered already but what has been the consensus on the 2018 LG models wrt their weaknesses in previous years models ie Shadow details/black crush, motion & panel lottery?

any big negatives to this year's model that will make y'all suggest to hold off another year?
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hi guys

i've been following this thread on & off so apologies if this has been covered already but what has been the consensus on the 2018 LG models wrt their weaknesses in previous years models ie Shadow details/black crush, motion & panel lottery?

any big negatives to this year's model that will make y'all suggest to hold off another year?

Brightness uniformity, black crush.
But you can increase Luminance by 10 to get more shadow detail.
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Brightness uniformity, black crush.
But you can increase Luminance by 10 to get more shadow detail.
so black crush is still an issue?
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so black crush is still an issue?

It's also a panel lottery. My old panel had no black crush at all then I got it replaced and the new one has a much darker low end and some black crush which I can only rectify by increasing brightness which induces black glow though.
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It's also a panel lottery. My old panel had no black crush at all then I got it replaced and the new one has a much darker low end and some black crush which I can only rectify by increasing brightness which induces black glow though.

I only get it about right when i put it to gamma 1.9 and brightness 51 and Luminance IRE 5 to + 20. Then i can see 18 barely flash, but 17 not flashing at all. (Contrast 81 and Oled light 45)
So 18 and 19 flash( because of luminance increase),but are much darker than 20-25.
20 is much brighter than 19,like there are steps missing?


Putting the brightness higher than 51 causes the light to leak on the right side on a near black 0% slide, while the left side stays dark.

Should i keep it on gamma 1.9 or put it on 2.2 with even more crush?
Because 1.9 doesnt look washed out or anything i believe. Thats why i ask,to be sure.
1.9 seems to look more natural with color and skintones etc.

Is my setting of 1.9 good because my zero black offset is just different/wrong?

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I don't know, I never use gamma 1.9. I think it creates a washed out look and makes near-black scenes terrible looking. But like I said every panel is different especially at the near-black levels so comparing settings is kinda pointless.


Messing around with 5% IRE can make the gradation worse, like you said 18 and 19 being much darker than 20. So I'd rather take a bit of black crush. You can also try to increase 2-point low a few clicks and see how far you can raise it without creating black glow which I think works better than messing with 20-point IRE 5.


I think the way LGs calibration controls work at the low end is just bad. For me it's not that much of an issue since I mostly watch movies using my PC where I can basically do what increasing brightness on the TV does but without lifting black.
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I usually don't say anything until I have had time to get some meters and a reference pattern generator on a display. This is my first OLED, it is a 55C8.
I will say that this display is moving around more than any type display I have worked with before in the early aging process. I am going to wait until it has 200 hours( and maybe more if it is still moving around ) on it before I dig hard in to it.
Some of the things you are chasing your tails about on the the black levels, just give it some time if your under 200 hours. I think it will take that long for stabilization and early aging.

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I don't know, I never use gamma 1.9. I think it creates a washed out look and makes near-black scenes terrible looking. But like I said every panel is different especially at the near-black levels so comparing settings is kinda pointless.


Messing around with 5% IRE can make the gradation worse, like you said 18 and 19 being much darker than 20. So I'd rather take a bit of black crush. You can also try to increase 2-point low a few clicks and see how far you can raise it without creating black glow which I think works better than messing with 20-point IRE 5.


I think the way LGs calibration controls work at the low end is just bad. For me it's not that much of an issue since I mostly watch movies using my PC where I can basically do what increasing brightness on the TV does but without lifting black.

i played with it a bit more and now i can raise brightness with 2.2 to 53 without glowing or leaking light. And luminance only +5. And i can see 17 now. Weird,because before it didnt work. BT.1886 also works well with brightness 51 and Lum. +20

I will play with the 2-point low as you suggested.
Thanks.


I also watch everything on my PC mostly.
But how do i increase brightness on my PC without raising black then?
I have AMD Radeon settings. I have to play with that brightness slider there then?
Or whatelse are my options with my videocard? R9 290


EDIT: o my god man!you fixed my tv! Thanks!
When i increase 2-point RGB with 12,then i can get 17 to slightly flash!
No more crushed blacks!
Also: The whole image seems to look better?
So the factory settings from my tv where just way off? Or how should i see this?
And are there some sort of negative side effects to increasing 2-point low rgb?
And you're right. 1.9 does look washed out compared to 2.2

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See if this helps you. It is a little different from display manufacture to the other, but at least you can see what it is.
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I'm getting all confused now since LG changed HDR Technicolor default settings from warm 2 to warm 1 now. Is warm 1 more accurate and that's why.

They messed up. Change it to Warm2
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It's also a panel lottery. My old panel had no black crush at all then I got it replaced and the new one has a much darker low end and some black crush which I can only rectify by increasing brightness which induces black glow though.
Oh I will be playing the Lottery this week
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