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Fair enough, but I'm a lot more optimistic. It's not present on the 2017 models. It's not present on the B8, so we know it's not the panel since they share physical panels. And careful calibration does mitigate the issue. I haven't any reason to believe LG will "struggle". They've fixed the brightness fluctuation as of .15/.20 firmware and to be honest I wasn't expecting it to be fixed before xmas. We will see of course. I wouldn't advise anyone buy any TV between so-called "Black Friday" and the January sales anyway, that's a period when prices shoot up. So they can wait if they like

Sadly, the B8 may also be affected.


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Not too familiar with the Dish Hopper (I have Directv), but is there a resolution setting in the Hopper? If so, what do you have it set on? Are you letting the Hopper do the upscaling, or letting the C8 do the upscaling?
The Hopper has resolution settings. I have it set on 4K, !080p, 1080i
The other setting is 720p which looks even worse.
The C8 is upscaling a 1080i source as indicated by double clicking the upper left corner of the screen with the magic remote cursor.
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^I've watched a few movies now with warm 1 on technicolor hdr/sdr and it's starting to grow on me.
I know technicolor default is warm1 in sdr.

Does technicolor hdr default to warm1 now, or did you have to change it?
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^yes it defaulted to warm 1 in technicolor hdr.
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^ warm1 is the default wb in technicolor expert for both hdr and sdr.


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Soooo...our situation may be different but I was able to fix the HDMI pairing issues I was having last week with the new Yamaha TSR-7850 and the 65" C8.



The simple solution for us at this point was to use the HDMI ARC 2 TV in/out and connect it to the Yamaha receiver on it's HDMI ARC2 connection. The PS4 Pro and the DirecTv set top box go into the Yamaha's HDMI (non ARC) inputs. We also then connected the Optical out from the TV to the Yamaha receiver.


The BIG KEY I was missing was that we turned off all of the HDMI control settings on the Receiver and TV. (this was causing all sorts of confusion in our household with the PS4 turning on and off.) This enabled us to view and hear the Amazon app content thru the TV and the Receiver. The "handshake" issues are gone and if I want to hear content thru the receiver, I simply mute the LG speakers. Granted sound is coming from the optical cable but for DirecTv content this is fine for us.



This is a good thing for us because when my wife just wants to watch and hear things she simply uses the LG Magic remote and has access to everything with the sound coming from the TV speakers. She is not an audio/videophile so this is a non-issue in our setup.


Now on to messing with the picture settings!


So far we have not encountered any issues with the second 65" C8. The first one, as mentioned a couple weeks ago was a bust with an area of the screen that was a "Black Dot" about the size of an eraser and then the next day the TV would not turn on. Easy swap out at Costco.


One MINOR issue for our family is on the Fiji film clip.....there are some dimming issues but I still need to do some setting up to see if there is anything that is "preset" that I might need to turn on or off.


Thanks to everyone for the informative posts. This is our first OLED TV and so far it has been amazing! No macro issues or other quirks but will be on the look out for them.
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I watch in a dark environment all the time and I havent seen squatola wrong with this set. Trust me when I say I'm as anal as they come. I find every little flaw with everything and this set is undoubtedly the best set I've ever owned.

wow!
all of that being said, would you mind answering whether or not you've come across the stuttering issue?
i believe i've read that it rears its head during pan shots and other sorts of movements. sports show up well over cable?

this (movement) is the one that concerns me more than others, tbh.
i'm about as anal as they come, as well.
seeing something like stuttering/motion issues would drive me insane.
really the only reason i'd consider the a8f or the a9f.
from what i've read motion is less of an issue. when it's not being changed into clayface/soap effect as a consequence of the solution, anyway.



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I watch in a dark environment all the time and I havent seen squatola wrong with this set. Trust me when I say I'm as anal as they come. I find every little flaw with everything and this set is undoubtedly the best set I've ever owned.

Ok just a thought. I checked your previous posts and you mentioned needing to bump up brightness a lot to make near-black details visible. Is that still the case? Because like I said multiple times already, increasing brightness to a certain point completely fixes the near-black flashing problem but not everyone can do that without also raising pure black.
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Sadly, the B8 may also be affected.

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ok cool, thanks for the info. Not really cool, but the more models affected the more focus on it for LG.
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Now on to messing with the picture settings!


One MINOR issue for our family is on the Fiji film clip.....there are some dimming issues but I still need to do some setting up to see if there is anything that is "preset" that I might need to turn on or off.


Thanks to everyone for the informative posts. This is our first OLED TV and so far it has been amazing! No macro issues or other quirks but will be on the look out for them.
The brightness fluctuations you see on that Fiji film clip is the known issue. It seems to be much improved in the 4.10.15 firmware which will hopefully be rolled out to you guys soon. Tweaking picture settings won't help so save your time on that one
edit: checking back, the first mention of 4.10.15 was Jrocker23 only on Thursday.
Then yesterday, we heard about the Euro 4.10.20 firmware. This must be a record! I have the latter.
No changelog for EITHER of them yet.



Glad you got your other issue sorted !
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I watch in a dark environment all the time and I havent seen squatola wrong with this set. Trust me when I say I'm as anal as they come. I find every little flaw with everything and this set is undoubtedly the best set I've ever owned.

Ok just a thought. I checked your previous posts and you mentioned needing to bump up brightness a lot to make near-black details visible. Is that still the case? Because like I said multiple times already, increasing brightness to a certain point completely fixes the near-black flashing problem but not everyone can do that without also raising pure black.
I did raise 5 ire to +8. Also to the previous poster in regards to motion I dont see anything wrong with motion. Then again I never owned a plasma either.
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I watch in a dark environment all the time and I havent seen squatola wrong with this set. Trust me when I say I'm as anal as they come. I find every little flaw with everything and this set is undoubtedly the best set I've ever owned.
Ok just a thought. I checked your previous posts and you mentioned needing to bump up brightness a lot to make near-black details visible. Is that still the case? Because like I said multiple times already, increasing brightness to a certain point completely fixes the near-black flashing problem but not everyone can do that without also raising pure black.
I did raise 5 ire to +8. Also to the previous poster in regards to motion I dont see anything wrong with motion. Then again I never owned a plasma either.
Did you raise R G B or the luminance?
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Did you raise R G B or the luminance?
I think that's the same thing, isn't it? To raise the luminance of only the 5% level, you would have increase each of R, G and B by the same amount.

If you raise Brightness, you are raising the entire range from 0-100%.

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I did raise 5 ire to +8. Also to the previous poster in regards to motion I dont see anything wrong with motion. Then again I never owned a plasma either.

If you raised 5ire like that, that's likely why you don't see the flashing macroblocks. If you raise near black brightness past a certain point, the flashing doesn't happen. If you were interested in testing for this issue, you should use eg technicolor at all default settings.
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After having had a C7 for about 18 months I upgraded got the C8 and gave the 'old' set to my parents.

Today I put up my third C8 as the first had a horrible bright half of the screen when viewed in a dimly lit room.

The second needed a brightness of 65 to get the flashing bars right and had some banding.

The third I just installed had banding that is visible at 40% gray in daylight with OLED light on 15. Plus I had to turn the brightness up to 72 on this set...

What the hell is wrong with LG?

Oh and also, all three had a curve or multiple curves in the screen.

Really done with this crappy TV.
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^it could be that's it's a bit cooler...but the pq seems a bit more natural. I need to watch more content to really see if I'll keep it at that, but so far my go to movies look good at warm 1.
I have always preferrd the more natural look on broadcast TV and a lot of movies. The sunburn or pumpkin look on faces is just not my style. When I say natural it is real easy. Look at your Flesh color and then set your display to look closer to that, than the other way.

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The Hopper has resolution settings. I have it set on 4K, !080p, 1080i
The other setting is 720p which looks even worse.
The C8 is upscaling a 1080i source as indicated by double clicking the upper left corner of the screen with the magic remote cursor.
I think what Smitty was suggesting was to set the Hopper to output native and that the Display is capable of all resolutions, if it has that setting available. I have Directv and that's the way mine is set and it seems to work the best for picture quality. NOT FOR CHANNEL SURFING.
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The brightness fluctuations you see on that Fiji film clip is the known issue. It seems to be much improved in the 4.10.15 firmware which will hopefully be rolled out to you guys soon. Tweaking picture settings won't help so save your time on that one
edit: checking back, the first mention of 4.10.15 was Jrocker23 only on Thursday.
Then yesterday, we heard about the Euro 4.10.20 firmware. This must be a record! I have the latter.
No changelog for EITHER of them yet.



Glad you got your other issue sorted !
Thank you kind sir!!!

I wasn’t certain if the Fiji clip was what everyone was talking about. Cant wait for the firmware roll out here in the states.

The HDMI issue was a pain but after picking up a ton of info here, I was able to get things functioning four our use.
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This is what dolby now called "display-led" decoding.
You need a special newer dolby vision-capable 4k player which can use dolby's special Sony cut-down profile. This is "player-led" decoding. Here the two streams from the disc are combined in the player, and the player sends the single fat dolby vision video stream to the TV.
I've never seen a Dolby reference to player versus display led. Given the circumstances I assumed OPPO coined those terms.
Profile 5 (P5) is not "Sony cut-down" and has nothing to do with Sony beyond the fact that they decided to use it exclusively. At this time every other DV display accepts multiple profiles including P5 and P7 (e.g. LG 2016 onward). There are rumors (spread by Vudu) that this may change if Sony forces every source to send P5.

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If you raised 5ire like that, that's likely why you don't see the flashing macroblocks. If you raise near black brightness past a certain point, the flashing doesn't happen. If you were interested in testing for this issue, you should use eg technicolor at all default settings.

From what I can tell raising IRE5 doesn't help at all, which is weird. I could raise it to 50 and still see the same crap in the handmaids tale clip. Raising 2-point low RGB by 4 or 5 clicks solves the problem, but makes the gradation worse.
So processing wise 2-point and 20-point controls apparently do very different things. I assume it has to do with 2-point low affecting absolute black just like brightness does while IRE5 doesn't.
Which brings me to the theory again that the problem has to do with sub-pixels having a problem when going from pure-black to displaying a very low luminance.
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I've never seen a Dolby reference to player versus display led. Given the circumstances I assumed OPPO coined those terms.
I read it in some of the more technical threads here on AVS. Don't know where it came from originally but I have no reason to think it was Oppo, they weren't mentioned at the time.

Oh and of course I know it isn't really called "Sony cut-down", that should have been obvious but in case it wasn't: it's a gentle humourous dig at Sony's fiasco last year and to clarify that Sony TVs can't display the "full fat" profile. If you have a TV at the moment which can do dolby vision, the difference is made by whether it is a Sony TV or a non-Sony TV.

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I am in the market for an upgrade and have been considering this display.
Watching College Game Day on ESPN via D* on my B6 and it is simply stunning.
Why would I even consider anything other than the 77” LG Oled.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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There is really nothing else to consider except the 75" Z9D, Z9F, or Q9FN. Most feel the OLED is king
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I think what Smitty was suggesting was to set the Hopper to output native and that the Display is capable of all resolutions, if it has that setting available. I have Directv and that's the way mine is set and it seems to work the best for picture quality. NOT FOR CHANNEL SURFING.
Yeah. What he said.
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I read it in some of the more technical threads here on AVS. Don't know where it came from originally but I have no reason to think it was Oppo, they weren't mentioned at the time.
The only place I've ever seen it is in the OPPO 203/205 Dolby Vision Processing setting which has three choices: Auto/TV-led/Player-led.
Or in a reference to the OPPO 203/205 DV processing setting. Or now post July-2018 after OPPO released their P5 update.

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So Dolby didn't invent anything new for Sony, they just screwed up by not making sure players all supported profile 5 TVs before having Sony release a TV that didn't support profile 4 as well as 5.
Dolby explicitly doesn't specify Profile requirements. It's left to the vendor and Sony deliberately choose to ignore the BDA requirement for P7.
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Quick question, does the entire screen or just the static logo dim when that option is selected in settings? Originally thought it was just the logo, but seems, when viewing, it's the entire screen?
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yeah,that what i was saying to you before But my mind keeps switching because everyone had different opinions about it the last weeks. So maybe i just need to try this for a few weeks and then switch back to warm2 to see how thats feels then.
I have always been torn between warm1 and warm2 in all modes. Just wish LG would offer something in between, would be perfect for me.
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