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If you screw something up in the service menu, does a factory reset change all the service menu setting back to defaults along with the normal user settings?

No. And it is the quickest, and easiest way to brick your tv if you are not very careful. It will also probably void your warranty if LG finds out what you did if you need to make a service call.
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Just curious but how would you brick the TV in the service menu? What setting do I need to change to brick it? I have tried a lot of settings in there just to see if they did anything and nothing bad happened, also I've pictures of all the default settings.

I feel like this is just baseless fear mongering.
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There is another dimming function besides ASBL and that one can't be disabled. I wrote about it in post 10309.
It seems to be somewhat similar to the sony one I think.

Not sure if it would trigger in games as I've not tested it much as I use my C8 mostly for movies where only ASBL is a problem.
i can see it trigger on FIFA in SDR and its really annoying, but i aj sensitive to it, some people might not even notice

and i dont think it happens in HDR (I prefer SDR on some games)

i would pay for this to be removed but i dont see many people talk about this so it will likely never be looked into by LG
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No. And it is the quickest, and easiest way to brick your tv if you are not very careful. It will also probably void your warranty if LG finds out what you did if you need to make a service call.
Very good advice otto...some think its fear mongering but of course it's not their set.
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i can see it trigger on FIFA in SDR and its really annoying, but i aj sensitive to it, some people might not even notice



and i dont think it happens in HDR (I prefer SDR on some games)



i would pay for this to be removed but i dont see many people talk about this so it will likely never be looked into by LG


I see this same dimming while watching sports and news.
If it is implemented in last years 7 series, I don’t see it.
The annoying thing about this type dimming that it could happen almost at anytime.
I do remember the Forbes article touched on this some. Hopefully a firmware will fix.
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Yeah I remember, back then I only knew about ABL and ASBL and not this third dimming algorithm whatever we should call it...
We really need a name for it! Please can it not be a TLA?
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Very good advice otto...some think its fear mongering but of course it's not their set.
Yeah, I don't consider it fear mongering but solid advice. Not necessarily for us old AVS'rs but for those who are new and just lurk. In fact, there's a poster in another thread that that is having issues after he went into the SM (on a Samsung I think).
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No. And it is the quickest, and easiest way to brick your tv if you are not very careful. It will also probably void your warranty if LG finds out what you did if you need to make a service call.
Fair warning. I'm sure it's tempting for some to play with the settings to see what happens, and I imagine people have gotten themselves in trouble that way. I am content to just disable ASBL and call it a day (after taking reference photos of all the default settings just to be safe).
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Fair warning. I'm sure it's tempting for some to play with the settings to see what happens, and I imagine people have gotten themselves in trouble that way. I am content to just disable ASBL and call it a day (after taking reference photos of all the default settings just to be safe).

Good luck. Just be careful.
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Good luck. Just be careful.
I'd already done it when I wrote that last post, was dead easy. My harmony remote already had In-Start on it so all I had to do was Google the pin number.

Both TVs are still alive, so it's a good start!
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The only way i could get rid of it was put off Dimmer,TCP ,put HDR Module to ON and put Oledlight at 100,Contrast at 40 and enable HDR in windows.
So those are 6 things to get rid of it. But i dont use it because it doesnt look good obviously.
So,there must be another setting somewhere in the SM that gets rid of the desktop dimming??
From what I have researched and the Calibrator said, there are no other settings that will make a difference. After having it calibrated, it still happens of course, just at a much less potent degree! Turning on all that stuff will make it go away, but at that point, you might as well go and get a 500 dollar led! The accurate representation of the tv and the sources will be so off, IMO.
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So on the LG one can shut off ASBL for gaming? It won’t dim because of the HUD elements?
Im new to OLED and waiting for CES.
I’m either going to get a 2019 C9 or the Sony A9F. I feel LG give you more for your money. However I love Sonys processing.
Probably all baby steps in the new models. I am not expecting anything amazing coming thru, but ya never know
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I'd already done it when I wrote that last post, was dead easy. My harmony remote already had In-Start on it so all I had to do was Google the pin number.

Both TVs are still alive, so it's a good start!
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Hohoho! Give us a fix for the flashing macroblocks and the TLA dimming and we will be happy,isn't that so!
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ive had my 77 C8 OLED a few days now. absolutley stunning tv. i got really lucky with the panel lottery as well. its absolutely flawless i couldnt be happier







Just curious why are there so many box variations of the same model? I just got mine and it came in a white Box with black letters


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We really need a name for it! Please can it not be a TLA?

TLA? I sense some kind of joke but can't figure out what it's supposed to mean.

Also I find the term ASBL (automatic static brightness limiter) is a bit confusing, as it can also trigger during non-static content. Maybe it behaved differently on earlier oled models.
I wonder what the origin of the term is. Doing a forum search I found first mentions of ASBL in 2015.
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Further to my flashing/ flickering screen issue on my LG E8.
LG have agreed this morning to a in home repair to replace the SCREEN.
How does this work ?
I have no banding or macro blocking issues, just flickering screen mainly
on the left hand side of the screen.
When the new screen is installed am i then open to banding/ macro blocking issue's ?
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Getting a new panel of course means playing the panel lottery again, with all the issues they can have...
Just make sure to have some content ready that clearly shows your flashing/flickering in case the technician needs to confirm it.
I would also check if the new panel is really new (protective film on front and back) and not some previously returned one from another customer.
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Getting a new panel of course means playing the panel lottery again, with all the issues they can have...
Just make sure to have some content ready that clearly shows your flashing/flickering in case the technician needs to confirm it.
I would also check if the new panel is really new (protective film on front and back) and not some previously returned one from another customer.
Thanks for your reply.
Its a local repair company that's doing it, not LG.
I will check the screen is new.
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No, not that one! I meant a name for the 3rd dimming algorithm!

We had:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post56879514
ABL (automatic brightness limiter):
- dimming of the picture based on average picture level and power draw
- happens during very bright scenes
- dims instantly and un-dims instantly
- can't be disabled, but lowering Oled-Light makes it less aggressive
- the dimming time was faulty between firmwares 3.00.63 (or earlier), and 4.10.15; there was a delay before the change, making it visible.

ASBL (automatic static brightness limiter):
- dimming of the picture after being static for a certain amount of time. (90 seconds I think but not sure)
- happens gradually
- can also trigger during non static scenes with a very low average picture level
- un-dims when something bright enters the scene or there is a scene change
- can be disabled in the service menu by turning off TPC (Thermal Protection Circuit)

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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post57311098
3rd type - no name: Name needed!
- It will be activated if the TV detected the bright part of the screen is larger than a certain threshold (maybe 50% or 60%), and the content is changing,
- then after 150 seconds, TV will dim the brightness down every passing minute until it reaches 3/5ths (60%) of the original illuminance.
- It seems there is no way to disable this dimming function, and it will slowly brighten up randomly after dimming down, or after a display of mostly black content.
- On a completely static picture this doesn't happen (with ASBL disabled).
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Fair warning. I'm sure it's tempting for some to play with the settings to see what happens, and I imagine people have gotten themselves in trouble that way. I am content to just disable ASBL and call it a day (after taking reference photos of all the default settings just to be safe).
Very sensible. One of the most alarming things I've read is someone accidentally did a full reset of the TV (and potentially all records of compensation cycles) by accidentally pressing a single button on the service remote ("in-stop" - aka >>>Bad News Button<<< - do not press it!).

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Very sensible. One of the most alarming things I've read is someone accidentally did a full reset of the TV (and all records of compensation cycles) by accidentally pressing a single button on the service remote ("in-stop" - aka >>>Bad News Button<<< - do not press it!).

Well, if you get your mainboard replaced it'll also reset the comp cycle hour counter in the service menu. Not really the end of the world as the pixel refresher can be run manually any time you want. So all you really lose is the counter for the 2000 hour auto cycle.


I actually used in-stop on purpose after my panel had been replaced because why would I want it to show the old panels accumulated hours on a new panel.


I'm sure the real panel specific compensation data is stored within the panels t-con board and can't be reset.
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Dumb question(s) about the automatic compensation cycles: when do they run, how will I know they're running and can I turn my TV off - via the power button - to initiate one?

Thank you...you are all incredibly helpful
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Dumb question(s) about the automatic compensation cycles: when do they run, how will I know they're running and can I turn my TV off - via the power button - to initiate one?

Thank you...you are all incredibly helpful
There are two types.
First, the auto compensation cycle. Runs after every 4 hours of use each time you next put the TV into standby. So always put the TV into a standby and do not remove the power completely. It takes a few minutes and if it runs, you hear the "clunk" at the end. If it doesn't run, you hear the "clunk" immediately after putting the TV into standby. So that's how you know.

Second, a much more aggressive one. This can happen in two ways. Automatically after every 2000 hours of use. Or, by selecting "pixel refresher" in the TV's menus, and it will then guide you through the process.

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There are two types.
First, the auto compensation cycle. Runs after every 4 hours of use each time you next put the TV into standby. So always put the TV into a standby and do not remove the power completely. It takes a few minutes and if it runs, you hear the "clunk" at the end. If it doesn't run, you hear the "clunk" immediately after putting the TV into standby. So that's how you know.

Second, a much more aggressive one. This can happen in two ways. Automatically after every 2000 hours of use. Or, by selecting "pixel refresher" in the TV's menus, and it will then guide you through the process.

HTH
Thank you! Much appreciated. Is it recommended to run a pixel refresher ad hoc (I have about 100 hours on the set) or just to wait until the 2000 hours mark?
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TLA? I sense some kind of joke but can't figure out what it's supposed to mean.

Also I find the term ASBL (automatic static brightness limiter) is a bit confusing, as it can also trigger during non-static content. Maybe it behaved differently on earlier oled models.
I wonder what the origin of the term is. Doing a forum search I found first mentions of ASBL in 2015.
My 2013 LG plasma had ASBL too, made 3dlut calibration a bit of a nightmare as Displaycal didn't have any of the tools it has now to mitigate it, and no-one knew what it was or how to disable it. Never actually saw it occur in content though!

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