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post #11191 of 22963 Old 01-06-2019, 06:23 AM
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Appreciate it. It’s a brand new panel so I know there’s some break-in, but wasn’t expecting to encounter this with OLED. I had some success in SDR with lowering brightness and increasing OLED light, but from reading that seems to maybe not be the right adjustment. Haven’t tried it with HDR yet. I will see if I can find some test patterns to work through. All of my testing is in a dark room, and a full 0 IRE screen is perfectly black. I am partial to very deep blacks so I can deal with a little bit of crush to maintain that deep contrast - just a preference. Really just trying to rule out any major defects as the uniformity and banding is otherwise pretty good on this particular panel so far.
There is panel variation but you should find it settles over the first 200 hours, and the brightness setting (such as >50) that you now need to see the dark detail will reduce over time. So re-do it every few weeks until it's settled.

Also, some great free HDR10 test patterns in this thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...terns-set.html
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I had so many questions and y'all were so helpful I thought I would follow-up with my BB experience.

After hearing so many conflicting reports on sports and motion on the C8, I decided to drive an hour to a BB and ask the salesman to show me sports and he kindly obliged, via the native YouTube app connected to the BB WiFi. It was horrible - worse than I could have imagined. I asked him to change a few of the settings described here and he couldn't find them in the menu.

Yesterday, I gathered my TiVo Bolt and drove an hour past that BB to a Magnolia. I told them the above and they kindly hooked my DVR up to a C8. We watched some football, hockey and Big Bang Theory from the DVR. The Magnolia guys were great in making setting changes that I recommended (thanks to you guys) and indeed, the C8 will handle anything thrown at it!

The settings for sports made Big Bang Theory look slightly janky but I think I could find a happy medium with help here (I'd personally prefer to find one picture mode for all, since I switch alot between sports and other shows (and don't want to also switch picture mode with each channel change).

I'm in. We shall see what CES brings but there WILL be a 77" C-series hanging in my house soon.

Thanks for encouraging me to look again after first BB experience!
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I had so many questions and y'all were so helpful I thought I would follow-up with my BB experience.



After hearing so many conflicting reports on sports and motion on the C8, I decided to drive an hour to a BB and ask the salesman to show me sports and he kindly obliged, via the native YouTube app connected to the BB WiFi. It was horrible - worse than I could have imagined. I asked him to change a few of the settings described here and he couldn't find them in the menu.



Yesterday, I gathered my TiVo Bolt and drove an hour past that BB to a Magnolia. I told them the above and they kindly hooked my DVR up to a C8. We watched some football, hockey and Big Bang Theory from the DVR. The Magnolia guys were great in making setting changes that I recommended (thanks to you guys) and indeed, the C8 will handle anything thrown at it!



The settings for sports made Big Bang Theory look slightly janky but I think I could find a happy medium with help here (I'd personally prefer to find one picture mode for all, since I switch alot between sports and other shows (and don't want to also switch picture mode with each channel change).



I'm in. We shall see what CES brings but there WILL be a 77" C-series hanging in my house soon.



Thanks for encouraging me to look again after first BB experience!


I have a 77” C8 and it replaced a Chad b calibrated JVC 750 (120” screen) and it don’t miss the projector at all! Properly dialed in, picture quality is fantastic! I’m sure you’ll be delighted. If money’s no object, go for the new 2019 (and you can wait a bit), but the 2018’s should be meaningfully less expensive and very nearly as good.


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Has anyone on east coast in USA received the 4.10.25 update?


I am still on 4.10.15 and was wondering what improvements the new FW brings. My set is actually working pretty damn good right now. I do seem to have issue when reconnecting BT headphones..quite often I have to remove device and re-pair them. Annoying but not huge.


I did download the new firmware off their Korean site but haven't installed it yet. Cannot find much info on what fixes it brings other than full compatibility with the HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) HDR format which is mainly used in UK afaik.


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To confirm, are most peoples C8 frames on this thread perfectly straight?
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Mine is bent...... These screens are flexible to a degree, you can bend them. Not to mention imagine how hard it is to keep something true, from side to side, top to bottom, and diagonal that is this thin. Frankly, that is impossible.
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To confirm, are most peoples C8 frames on this thread perfectly straight?
I searched the thread and almost no one has brought up this issue here. Some random ones for the older B7/C7 are the ones that come up most often.

I'd say my bottom frame bows in about 1/8" in the center. The top curves slightly as well, but not as much. The plastic screen reflections are wavy as a result of these I think.
On the fence on whether to exchange, picture quality is fine and vertical banding is acceptable. Worried about getting a worse panel, but perfect frame on the next one.
Mine is straight. No bends that I can see

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Appreciate it. It’s a brand new panel so I know there’s some break-in, but wasn’t expecting to encounter this with OLED. I had some success in SDR with lowering brightness and increasing OLED light, but from reading that seems to maybe not be the right adjustment. Haven’t tried it with HDR yet. I will see if I can find some test patterns to work through. All of my testing is in a dark room, and a full 0 IRE screen is perfectly black. I am partial to very deep blacks so I can deal with a little bit of crush to maintain that deep contrast - just a preference. Really just trying to rule out any major defects as the uniformity and banding is otherwise pretty good on this particular panel so far.
For HDR10 test patterns, I used the same patterns that "mrtickleuk" noted in his post above. It took awhile to download all the patterns but you could just download the "black level" patterns first and load them on a USB thumb drive. I suggest using the non Google option for downloading as Google Drives locked up frequently for me. For SDR, I used the AVS HD709 test patterns found here:
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Please report back with your brightness settings once you are able to set up and test the black level patterns. Others have reported that it can take as many as 400 hours for the panel to settle and the brightness setting should come down if you are starting with something more than 50.

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No need to apologize for taking so much effort to be as informative and concise as you can be. Very interesting stuff.
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Mine is bent...... These screens are flexible to a degree, you can bend them. Not to mention imagine how hard it is to keep something true, from side to side, top to bottom, and diagonal that is this thin. Frankly, that is impossible.
I think because it's so thin other than the base and that they want you to lay it down and then lift it back up after you've attached the bass we were terrified stop bending the screen I'm so terrified of even wiping it with a microfiber anyting it's that thin but if it's just slightly mild event it's it's it's on this base for a while unless you've mounted it it'll probably find his bearings

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You made me curious. Using an 8' long straight edge (I have handy from years of home remodeling construction) I checked, There is no warp or bend on my 77" or 65" C8s frames. Using a lengthy level they seem perfectly perpendicular to the stand as well.

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Mine is bent...... These screens are flexible to a degree, you can bend them. Not to mention imagine how hard it is to keep something true, from side to side, top to bottom, and diagonal that is this thin. Frankly, that is impossible.

I still remember when the first LG OLEDs came out and the guy at BB fisted a panel and said it is flexible and versatile and one cannot do that with a plasma or LCD, so yes they can bend. With that said I am not going to that to my C8. You can try it in the store if you desire!
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I still remember when the first LG OLEDs came out and the guy at BB fisted a panel and said it is flexible and versatile and one cannot do that with a plasma or LCD, so yes they can bend. With that said I am not going to that to my C8. You can try it in the store if you desire!
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I think because it's so thin other than the base and that they want you to lay it down and then lift it back up after you've attached the bass we were terrified stop bending the screen I'm so terrified of even wiping it with a microfiber anyting it's that thin but if it's just slightly mild event it's it's it's on this base for a while unless you've mounted it it'll probably find his bearings.

It certainly takes two to assemble and move the 65" and especially 77" models. They can however be assembled to the stand while upright. Remove from the packing upright having one hold the panel stable while another attaches the two pieces of the stand together and leaving it on the floor. Then together lift the panel onto the stand; it will sit into its proper position on the stand as one person holds it steady and the other person screws the stand to the back of the panel. Then together move the assembled TV to is new place of honor. Voila. No risk of bending.

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It certainly takes two to assemble and move the 65" and especially 77" models. They can however be assembled to the stand while upright. Remove from the packing upright having one hold the panel stable while another attaches the two pieces of the stand together and leaving it on the floor. Then together lift the panel onto the stand; it will sit into its proper position on the stand as one person holds it steady and the other person screws the stand to the back of the panel. Then together move the assembled TV to is new place of honor. Voila. No risk of bending.

Yep. I watched the guys unpack and assemble my C8 and while they were quick about it, they were very careful assembling the base (the C8 sits on a media console) and then placing it on the console. I already had the cables in place and attached to my devices so there was minimal movement as well connecting it.

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To confirm, are most peoples C8 frames on this thread perfectly straight?
I searched the thread and almost no one has brought up this issue here. Some random ones for the older B7/C7 are the ones that come up most often.

I'd say my bottom frame bows in about 1/8" in the center. The top curves slightly as well, but not as much. The plastic screen reflections are wavy as a result of these I think.
On the fence on whether to exchange, picture quality is fine and vertical banding is acceptable. Worried about getting a worse panel, but perfect frame on the next one.
Mine has a couple of slight bows on the bottom of the panel that I only notice with daylight is shining a reflection from behind. Otherwise I don't notice it at all. So it's not a concern to me.
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Mine has a couple of slight bows on the bottom of the panel that I only notice with daylight is shining a reflection from behind. Otherwise I don't notice it at all. So it's not a concern to me.
Similar thing on my set on the right side bottom. The blinds opposite my screen when daylight is shining are slightly warped when appearing as a reflection at the bottom of my screen. But it is not noticeable on content, even when lettering is scrolling across the bottom of the screen. Even if you get right up to the screen, the lettering is sharp and not distorted at all.

And my panel looks straight. The way reflections work, it only takes a very slight warp or bow or whatever for it to distort a reflection to a large degree.
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Mine has a couple of slight bows on the bottom of the panel that I only notice with daylight is shining a reflection from behind. Otherwise I don't notice it at all. So it's not a concern to me.
Similar thing on my set on the right side bottom. The blinds opposite my screen when daylight is shining are slightly warped when appearing as a reflection at the bottom of my screen. But it is not noticeable on content, even when lettering is scrolling across the bottom of the screen. Even if you get right up to the screen, the lettering is sharp and not distorted at all.

And my panel looks straight. The way reflections work, it only takes a very slight warp or bow or whatever for it to distort a reflection to a large degree.
Might not be the panel that is warped but the way the AR filter was applied.
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Just purchased a C8 a few weeks ago, just have a quick question. When i first the tv, i was tweaking the settings to my liking. When i would change the color temperature, it would change immediately. Two days ago i was tweaking the picture a little more but this time when i adjust the color temperature it had no immediate results, it looked as if it gradually changes over a 30sec period. While in sports mode i tried to adjust the temperature slider and it wasnt doing anything. All the rest of the settings: oled light, brightness etc. Have an immediate result, its just the temperature settings thats doing this. Could i have changed a setting to cause this? Is this normal with certain content? Im going do a factory rest to see if that help but if anyone knows anything please let me know, thanks
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^^ Several people have remarked on this. I have experienced it a couple of times making adjustments. Don't know why it occurs but it seems the A9 gets bogged down with too many changes. The last time I made adjustments I didn't see a difference with the changes until I did a manual hard pixel refresh. Afterwards the changes were obvious.

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Similar thing on my set on the right side bottom. The blinds opposite my screen when daylight is shining are slightly warped when appearing as a reflection at the bottom of my screen. But it is not noticeable on content, even when lettering is scrolling across the bottom of the screen. Even if you get right up to the screen, the lettering is sharp and not distorted at all.

And my panel looks straight. The way reflections work, it only takes a very slight warp or bow or whatever for it to distort a reflection to a large degree.
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Might not be the panel that is warped but the way the AR filter was applied.
Thanks for bring that up. After looking down the bottom edge of the panel it does look to have a slight bow to it. As Smitty pointed out when playing content it is not noticeable.

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Sorry if the below have already been answered, but this is a very long thread and moves very quickly.

I haven't had a professional calibration and am just adjusting the basics in the picture settings based on rtings.com recommendations and had a couple of questions - including some about the processing features that are on by default and whether I should disable them. I thought a general rule was to turn off all processing to maintain the original image, but would like some clarification as the descriptions provided in the menu are pretty vague:

1. Should Sharpness be set to 0 in all picture modes (including HDR and DV)? What about Game modes?
2. Noise Reduction and MPEG Noise Reduction?
3. Super Resolution - I'm not even sure what this does?

Also, when copying an a picture setting to All Inputs, it seems to only copy the basic setting on the front screen but not the stuff in Expert Options and Picture Options - is there a way to copy those as well?

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I do seem to have issue when reconnecting BT headphones..quite often I have to remove device and re-pair them. Annoying but not huge.

Someone a few days ago, maybe it was you, posted about using a Bluetooth transmitter for connecting to the AVR with wireless headphones. That post inspired me to get <a href="https://www.amazon.com/TaoTronics-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Receiver-Wireless/dp/B01KO1JNCA/ref=dp_ob_title_ce">this</a> delivered within the last hour and it is working great. I am using the included usb charging cable from the front of the Denon AVR and the included audio cable from the AVR headphone jack to the transmitter. Because I use ARC without any CEC problems from the C8 I have not opted to use the toslink connection from the AVR to transmitter. So I haven't experimented yet to see if using the toslink at all would cause any unwanted issues with ARC. I need ARC because I only use the C8's internal streaming apps like NF and AP without problems at all. But using the toslink from the AVR to the TX may allow for using the Bluetooth headphones without canceling out the use of external speakers for others to still hear like using the AVR headphone jack does. I'm alone most time so it's not a concern for me.


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On another note, the best quality streaming content I've seen is the new Bird House on Netflix..amazing quality but still it looks better when streamed through my ATV rather than the native app.

I watched Bird Box last night on NF. Beautiful PQ, but I've never seen Bullock's skin have so many blemishes before. She must have always been photographed with soft lenses, until this production with 4k Red lens cameras, eh? The movie itself was pretty pointless I thought. It never addressed what the threat was. It seems to me the only point was how much people depend on each other under duress for survival. Full 180 from say the Revenant which stressed individual perseverance under duress for survival.



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No! That's not how interlacing works.
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I'm not sure what the OP meant but while ambiguous it's not uncommon to use FPS for progressive frames/second and interlaced fields/second -- context is supposed to disambiguate.
Historically in the US there were reasons to choose 720p over 1080i (540p+540P) but good cinematography helps with motion artifacts from low frame rates -- progressive (24 frames/sec) or interlaced (60 fields/sec -> 30 frames/sec). This was argued ad naseum circa 2009. We'll see if ATSC 3.0 puts this to bed for OTA content. Presumably not for this group since I don't believe the US x8 has an ATSC 3.0 tuner.

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I recently purchased the LG 820 Player (moved up from the Sony UBP-X80) and now see the DV flag come up along with the corresponding Picture Modes on the C8. Viewing DV and HDR content are there any must change setting in there picture mode? Or are the defaults recommended?

The reason I ask is the first 4K DV movie I played was Gladiator and it is disappointing. Everything four ground is very sharp and in focus, but everything background that is out of focus is very grainy. One example is when they first walk into the Colosseum there faces are very realistic and sharp, but the sky in the background is extremely grainy, not just out of focus. I tried changing setting in the 820 including turning off DV to avail. I don't remember Gladiator looking this poorly on the Sony Player/C8.

Then I put Jumanji 2017 DV and the PQ is fantastic throughout.

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I see posts here suggesting which settings to use when evaluating the C8 as Best Buy Magnolia.


When we were shopping (ultimately got the 65C8 from Best Buy), the Magnolia guy would not let us touch anything. According to him, the LG displays in Magnolia are "calibrated" by an LG representative, and it's a violation of Best Buy's contract with LG for anyone to touch them.


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the sky in the background is extremely grainy, not just out of focus.
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I believe the graininess was intentional and was a 'style' of the era in certain movies. I remember complaining about it with my Kuro plasma.

You will find it in 300 also I believe



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Is it normal to have some moderate buzzing from behind the TV when content is playing? Can't hear it from the front.
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Is there a signal strength meter or any way to qualify broadcast channels for signal strength on the C8?
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