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Same here, but maybe like @mrtickleuk , my unwatched disks are starting to get out of hand.
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Considering going back to satellite/cable for this reason. The ESPN feed on DTVNow is terrible, especially for this game, while the ESPN app which is usually wholly unreliable has been excellent tonight. I did try Xfinity for cable TV briefly a few years ago and remember the quality not being great then either.
Really? That sucks. I having been contemplating moving from FIOS to DTVNow or YoutubeTV to save some money. The consensus, from what I have read, is that PQ is channel specific. Some channels just look better/worse than others.

I watched the game using the ESPN app too and it was lovely. That will be a fall back option.

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So. . . as others have already said. . . firmware fix for macroblocking/flashing blacks/chrominence overshoot is reportedly coming.

But likely not before my 90-day return policy expires.

Decisions to make regarding trust (in LG), whether HDMI 2.1 and eARC are worth the hassle of a return (and possibly more in the future if next one is a dud). Etc.

I feel like I got a good panel right out of the gate here, flashing black issue aside.

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So. . . as others have already said. . . firmware fix for macroblocking/flashing blacks/chrominence overshoot is reportedly coming.

But likely not before my 90-day return policy expires.

Decisions to make regarding trust (in LG), whether HDMI 2.1 and eARC are worth the hassle of a return (and possibly more in the future if next one is a dud). Etc.

I feel like I got a good panel right out of the gate here, flashing black issue aside.

*sigh*

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We're in the same boat (the exception being that my return window closes on 1/31). The easiest thing for me would be to trust LG. I am satisfied with all other aspects of the TV.
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so who uses DYNAMIC TONE MAPPING and who doesnt?

i cant make up my mind lol feel like DTM is good for movies but for games OFF provides more consistent look at the cost of more brightness
I like DTM on. Others don't. It's a very personal decision, like ketchup vs. mustard on a hot dog (mustard, obviously).
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Well well well. Samsung is adding Airplay to 2018 models and Vizio is adding it back to 2017. Definitely makes LG and Sony look bad but I doubt it will change anything.
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Lol! Well wave back! Just boxed up my 77c8, back to the drawing board :/
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Really? That sucks. I having been contemplating moving from FIOS to DTVNow or YoutubeTV to save some money. The consensus, from what I have read, is that PQ is channel specific. Some channels just look better/worse than others.

I watched the game using the ESPN app too and it was lovely. That will be a fall back option.
Channel-specific is exactly right. Most of them with DTV Now seem to be ok although I have noticed sports feeds being hit or miss lately, but that again just may be the affiliate or something for that specific event. The Wildcard games over the weekend, for example, weren't great. A few channels seem to have some weird artifacting/coloration issues with HBO being one that exhibits some sort of gamma shifting which I've seen for quite some time. There has also been no shortage of intermittent issues with connectivity to certain channels, audio dropping out for extended periods of time, etc. So far I've used PS Vue (better but cost more after they raised prices) and DTV Now for more than a couple months, but I would definitely recommend utilizing the free trials before leaving what you are on. DTV Now is still very tough to beat if you're an ATT customer as it only costs me $15 monthly for the lowest package which still has a ton of channels.

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Guess so, problem is nothing is as good, only sets that can even comp[are are the Q9FN, Z9D, Z9F. That's the only choices we got.
Indeed. If set on returning the 77C8, can still get a 75Z9D before they're gone for a few hundred less than the C8.
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Really? That sucks. I having been contemplating moving from FIOS to DTVNow or YoutubeTV to save some money. The consensus, from what I have read, is that PQ is channel specific. Some channels just look better/worse than others.



I watched the game using the ESPN app too and it was lovely. That will be a fall back option.
For although I use YouTube TV is the best because you'll get all your local channels and their DVR is psychotic in an awesome way. The only problem is that it is missing A and E which is the most chunky network of all when you need it to fall asleep like Storage Wars or they actually produced good things like the Clinton affair but that and not have any NFL Network or Red Zone which I am pretty positive they will have next year there's no point in having it at this point in the season if you watch football YouTube TV really is better. That said it's also true that subshells in every service even if there be broadcast in Dolby Digital for example might not have anything but a stereo mix in it and if you are streaming device or sound system can up fix it then that's awesome but definitely a local channels and most basic channels you're going to get exactly what you're going to get from over the air well olives for over the air or exactly what you get from your cable provider or better. I've tried almost all the streaming services the only other one but it's too much of a pain in the ass into expensive is PS Vue go for YouTube TV and that if you find yourself missing one channel somewhere just said the lack of plate they keep adding channels all the time with no fee increase

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I can't believe I did something like THAT. Breaking off the tip in the stupid RCA and cannot get it out. If anyone as some extra special sauce trick before I try to replace the RCA female, oh god, please see this and help.

yikes Can you unscrew the back panel of the speaker box? Maybe the RCA jack is accessible from inside the speaker. If the female jack is just a hollow insertion plug with wires soldered to it you could perhaps push out the broken off RCA male pin with an icepick or coathanger??


Here is a link with some other suggestions. https://www.techwalla.com/articles/h...oken-rca-input


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Sad to see LG didn't plan to upgrade 2018 TV with airplay.


I currently use this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...rain.airplayer to make Shiled as airplay receiver,
Hope someone can extract airplay app from 2019's Sony TV or Apple just release it to Play Store #dreaming
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yikes Can you unscrew the back panel of the speaker box? Maybe the RCA jack is accessible from inside the speaker. If the female jack is just a hollow insertion plug with wires soldered to it you could perhaps push out the broken off RCA male pin with an icepick or coathanger??


Here is a link with some other suggestions. https://www.techwalla.com/articles/h...oken-rca-input


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See that sounds insane there's no more insane than heating up an element and tried to drag it out to the front audio is a various easiest things. I'm only asking if anyone knows cuz they've already screwed off their back if that's the scenario cuz I dont want to touch everything unless I have enough information because wipe off the back if it turns out it's like on a motherboard situationz I don't think it is because it's pure audio BUT, I don't know and I don't know how to solder things which is been like a problem at least 30 times in my life so I guess I should learn.

I just bought this. Stupid me not wirevmanaging but I was still deciding and STILL am about the diagram naka shows or a sub diagonal where no one steps in this like I did, but no one has come back in on that yet.

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I can't believe I did something like THAT. Breaking off the tip in the stupid RCA and cannot get it out. If anyone as some extra special sauce trick before I try to replace the RCA female, oh god, please see this and help.

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I found it, but its almost impossible to use.
You have to go into "Manual Channel" setup, where each channel has a "signal strength" and "signal quality". I have no idea what "Signal Quality" is supposed to mean, probably just that the tuner is able to lock and decode. You can see a 60% strength with 100% quality.
the trick here is that the channels are not displayed according to their broadcast channel number. They appear to be listed according to their UHF number. so to find the channels you receive you have to sort through 68 channels looking for them. Anyway it does work.
Yep - see my post yesterday with pictures of those screens, on the previous page.

Signal strength is a measure of the amplitude of the signal effectively. if it was a TV picture, it would be just in raw terms how "bright" it is.

Signal quality is the one you really care about. If it was a TV picture, the Quality would be how "clear" it is.

Quality is aka the Bit Error Rate (BER). After decoding, if there were errors that needed to be corrected (using the redundant and extra copies of the data in the stream - this is built in, much like the error correction in ISO 9660 CDs), it is a count of "how hard" it had to work to recover the signal. As it's a black box it could be the BER either before or after the signal is unpacked - there are different places in the chain that error correction can happen. So without knowing which level it's measuring it's hard to say - but it at least gives an indication.

So, Quality = 100% means it's perfect. Quality = 90% means some errors, but ok. The higher, the more "headroom" you have. You can do the "wet tea towel" test - literally put a wet thin towel over the dish or antenna/aerial which will attenuate the strength of the received signal, and increase the number of errors. The idea is that you simulate "bad conditions" this way (eg aligning a satellite dish) so that the fine adjustments get the best possible signal when it's dropping in and out with small movements. But If you had a booming strong signal that's clear as day, you can't tell which position is the "best" to give you the most headroom in bad conditions.


Over a certain strength it doesn't matter. In many cases you could point a satellite dish at the ground and it would say 100% strength. It's Quality is the one you care about. Below 90% needs fixing (you will have problems in heavy rain if it's satellite).

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I can't believe I did something like THAT. Breaking off the tip in the stupid RCA and cannot get it out. If anyone as some extra special sauce trick before I try to replace the RCA female, oh god, please see this and help.
Argh, oh man. Well at least you're on the right website for help - maybe not this thread, but do post over on the AVR threads and someone there may have a clever way to do it.

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So sorry if this has already been addressed. New user here.

I just bought the 2018 LG 55" C8 last week and calibrated based on the advice of several websites/forums. My issue now is that when watching TV via Rogers cable... the picture is terrible regardless of channel (4k looks HD at best, and HD channels look SD). Is this something that's come up before? Is there any solution? Are the channels not upscaling well? Is Rogers just providing a low quality feed (Rogers technician came and gave our connection the OK). Output on the rogers 4k cable box is set to either Auto or ultra HD - with no noticeable difference in picture quality between the two.

Long story short - does anyone else have this issue of 4k and HD Rogers cable content looking very soft/not as sharp as it aught to be? My 10 year old HD Samsung 40" 6 series has a better HD picture than this new set (granted its a much smaller screen).

Any recommendations? Would a Sony or Samsung set handle this issue any better? Is this something that all new 4k or OLED tv's have a problem with?
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@RBO - wow I thought my backlog was bad. I'm trying to see which of those is your most embarrassing title?

Well, keep searching, but all of my Vinegar Syndrome titles are among the watched disks.
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So sorry if this has already been addressed. New user here.

I just bought the 2018 LG 55" C8 last week and calibrated based on the advice of several websites/forums. My issue now is that when watching TV via Rogers cable... the picture is terrible regardless of channel (4k looks HD at best, and HD channels look SD). Is this something that's come up before? Is there any solution? Are the channels not upscaling well? Is Rogers just providing a low quality feed (Rogers technician came and gave our connection the OK). Output on the rogers 4k cable box is set to either Auto or ultra HD - with no noticeable difference in picture quality between the two.

Long story short - does anyone else have this issue of 4k and HD Rogers cable content looking very soft/not as sharp as it aught to be? My 10 year old HD Samsung 40" 6 series has a better HD picture than this new set (granted its a much smaller screen).

Any recommendations? Would a Sony or Samsung set handle this issue any better? Is this something that all new 4k or OLED tv's have a problem with?
It's most likely your signal from Rogers. Even though Rogers can handle HD & 4K, very few networks offer their signal in high quality formats.

Upscaling can only make a non 4k signal look so good. If you have any way to make sure a signal is 4K or 1080p from Rogers then base it off that but again I doubt you will find much.

Your best bet is to use a 4k Blu-ray or Netflix, YouTube and such and check their HD / 4K / UHD offerings and see the quality

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It's most likely your signal from Rogers. Even though Rogers can handle HD & 4K, very few networks offer their signal in high quality formats.

Upscaling can only make a non 4k signal look so good. If you have any way to make sure a signal is 4K or 1080p from Rogers then base it off that but again I doubt you will find much.

Your best bet is to use a 4k Blu-ray or Netflix, YouTube and such and check their HD / 4K / UHD offerings and see the quality

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Thank you for the quick reply! The tv apps, both youtube and Netflix look incredible when viewing 4k footage - so it must be the Rogers signal. The HD Rogers channels are so blurry its difficult to watch unless i'm a good 15 feet away. Are there any new TVs that can make an HD channel watchable - as I'm considering returning the unit based on this fact alone.
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Thank you for the quick reply! The tv apps, both youtube and Netflix look incredible when viewing 4k footage - so it must be the Rogers signal. The HD Rogers channels are so blurry its difficult to watch unless i'm a good 15 feet away. Are there any new TVs that can make an HD channel watchable - as I'm considering returning the unit based on this fact alone.
There really is no way to make it look better. No tv is gonna do that great with a weak signal. Any brand and model is gonna produce the same results

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If the broken connector part is not filled, which it is not normally, you can try using a small screw in its center, preferably a small wood screw since it has a pointed tip. You screw it in gently until catches a few threads well and then pull it off using pliers. Good luck!

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Do you use the blu-ray.com app? I can't recommend it enough. You just scan the barcode of each disc, and as long as they are in the Db (most are, if not they are quite easy to add) it's done. Then you can do loads of really cool things with the data. Also share collections (if you want to) eg here's mine
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You have to go into "Manual Channel" setup, where each channel has a "signal strength" and "signal quality". I have no idea what "Signal Quality" is supposed to mean, probably just that the tuner is able to lock and decode. You can see a 60% strength with 100% quality.
the trick here is that the channels are not displayed according to their broadcast channel number. They appear to be listed according to their UHF number. so to find the channels you receive you have to sort through 68 channels looking for them. Anyway it does work.
There's also a quick-and-dirty-and-not-quite-useless indicator right next to the channel once it's been autodetected and you're watching it: a little TV tower icon with one, two, or three radiating arcs indicating signal strength. I found it helpful for final positioning tweaks.
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So. . . as others have already said. . . firmware fix for macroblocking/flashing blacks/chrominence overshoot is reportedly coming.

But likely not before my 90-day return policy expires.

Decisions to make regarding trust (in LG), whether HDMI 2.1 and eARC are worth the hassle of a return (and possibly more in the future if next one is a dud). Etc.

I feel like I got a good panel right out of the gate here, flashing black issue aside.

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(sorry, just journaling here! )
"Since the firmware update relates to the TVs’ picture quality, it will have to go through an especially stringent testing process before rolling out to TVs. LG estimates that this could take as much as three or four months." OMG
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There's also a quick-and-dirty-and-not-quite-useless indicator right next to the channel once it's been autodetected and you're watching it: a little TV tower icon with one, two, or three radiating arcs indicating signal strength. I found it helpful for final positioning tweaks.
Aha! This little thing (yellow arrowed)? I've only seen it looking like this. That's really cool, thanks.

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I was in the same situation as you but with Time warner/Spectrum. If your watching the tvs native apps and 4K the OLED looked great but for cable tv which is what I watch a good amount of I found it to be almost unwatchable to my eyes compared to the tv I was replacing (2016 Samsung KS8000) which looked great for cable and all sources in general. I really wanted to love the OLED and I even tried to force my self to get used to the picture. I held on to it for close to 45 days which was my return limit. In the end I went back to Samsung and bought the Q8FN and I’m much happier with the picture.

At the end of the day no tv is perfect you just have to go with the one that best suits your needs.



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Thank you for the quick reply! The tv apps, both youtube and Netflix look incredible when viewing 4k footage - so it must be the Rogers signal. The HD Rogers channels are so blurry its difficult to watch unless i'm a good 15 feet away. Are there any new TVs that can make an HD channel watchable - as I'm considering returning the unit based on this fact alone.





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Do you use the blu-ray.com app? I can't recommend it enough. You just scan the barcode of each disc, and as long as they are in the Db (most are, if not they are quite easy to add) it's done. Then you can do loads of really cool things with the data. Also share collections (if you want to) eg here's mine

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There's also a quick-and-dirty-and-not-quite-useless indicator right next to the channel once it's been autodetected and you're watching it: a little TV tower icon with one, two, or three radiating arcs indicating signal strength. I found it helpful for final positioning tweaks.
I've got 4 arcs on a couple channels, I must be special. 3 arcs seems to translate to about 70% signal strength.
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I found it, but its almost impossible to use.
You have to go into "Manual Channel" setup, where each channel has a "signal strength" and "signal quality". I have no idea what "Signal Quality" is supposed to mean, probably just that the tuner is able to lock and decode. You can see a 60% strength with 100% quality.
the trick here is that the channels are not displayed according to their broadcast channel number. They appear to be listed according to their UHF number. so to find the channels you receive you have to sort through 68 channels looking for them. Anyway it does work.

This is probably not very useful, or maybe even available on the C8 but on the old LG LD520 (my downstairs LCD tv and old HTS) you could get into the Host Diagnostics Menu (which is NOT in the SM so safe to enter) by clicking on Menu, clicking an option, then scroll down the vertical menu to Options, and press the number 1, five times. The Host Diagnostics screen appears that would display model number, compile date, software version, and some useful channel data, among other things. It worked great for OTA television (antenna) but doesn't report any information for cable. The normal Channel Guide would give signal strength and signal quality.

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