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Anyone know what the 10 options for DeJudder do exactly? @24p, there can only be 4 frames interpolated between the original frames, yet there are 10 settings.

I personally can only tolerate DeJudder of 1, anymore and the SOE and artifacts are too noticeable.

Also, I've seen some people say that turning up DeBlur to 10 will increase the lines of motion of the TV even for 24p content? Is this true or just a myth? I don't see any effect of DB when watching 24p content.

For 24p content I keep Real Cinema enabled (for 5:5 cadence) and keep TruMotion disabled. In fact, I keep TruMotion disabled period. TruMotion (Motion Interpolation) is not related to Real Cinema.
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What is the current firmware for the c8? Mine is at 4.1.0-5606 goldilocks-glacier. No update Is detected. Is this the update with web os4? Is there any newer update?
If your asking for North American C8

I don't think you posted the right numbers. You may have posted it wrong.

You can go here and check.

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What is the current firmware for the c8? Mine is at 4.1.0-5606 goldilocks-glacier.
That is not the version of the firmware. That is the version of WebOS.

Firmware version 4.10.15 contains WebOS version 4.1.0-5608 (goldilocks-glacier).
Firmware version 4.10.20 contains WebOS version 4.1.0-5609 (goldilocks-glacier).

You can either update from the TV or the LG website. I'm not sure if 4.10.20 is available outside Europe yet.

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What is the current firmware for the c8? Mine is at 4.1.0-5606 goldilocks-glacier. No update Is detected. Is this the update with web os4? Is there any newer update?
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You are correct. That was the web os version. I am actually on 4.10.15 which is the current.

Let me ask this. Do you have to be care about frequently turning an oled on and off? I'm used to a projector and dlp rear projection tv where lamp strikes were hard on the bulb. So if you were going to walk away for less than an hour it was usually better to just leave the display on. Is that an is with oled or hard on the panel?
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Let me ask this. Do you have to be care about frequently turning an oled on and off? I'm used to a projector and dlp rear projection tv where lamp strikes were hard on the bulb. So if you were going to walk away for less than an hour it was usually better to just leave the display on. Is that an is with oled or hard on the panel?
No. Older DLP sets that used high pressure bulbs were thought to be a worry. Later sets with LED bulbs were better. OLEDs can go on/off/on, no problems.
BTW, the 65C8 uses about 100 Watts, so figure an extra hour adds just over a penny to your electric bill.
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That's good to know. I couldn't find an answer to that. Yeah uhp bulbs aren't too much of an inconvenience in my projector because of how it is used. But on the dlp tv the c8 replaced it was always something I had to be conscience of when deciding to turn it off or leave it running.
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So around Thanksgiving I bought an LG LCD 65" TV that I returned because of banding and clouding. After over a month of looking I was all set to settle on a Sony 65" X900 because I was worried about the issues I have read on AVS forums and elsewhere about burn in on the oled tvs. Today I came across a deal for a 65" C8 online that is making me think I should get it. It is coming with a 4 year extended square trade warranty. So before the trigger gets pulled

1) We watch 60 percent TV stations which have some sort of logo on them, 30 percent of the time is movies and around 10 percent of the times it is sports is that a concern. The TV can be on up to 12 hours in a day but it is never on any TV station for that period of time. Plus there are commercials, channel flipping etc. 3 to 6 hours is the average time the tv is on. So is burn in a reason I should stay away?

2) The warranty is a square trade warranty. Will that cover burn in if it does indeed happen?

3) Our great room is extremely bright during the day is that something that will hamper viewing. I am not as concerned about it for night viewing. The wife factor during the day I am concerned with.

I am looking for fantastic blacks and the 4k LCDs just don't seem to get that way.

Thanks for any input

Don't worry about the burn-in. Rtings did a torture test, and basically it took like 4 weeks, using the most abusive settings they could come up with, for there to even be any signs of burn-in. You can read all about their methodology and settings at the link below. Forgot to add, pretty sure the square trade warranty will NOT cover burn in. Best Buy's extended warranty is the only one I'm aware of that does cover it. I remember looking at the square trade warranty offered by Amazon at one point and realizing it was so cheap because it really didn't cover very much.

I also think the general consensus is that, unless the sun is shining directly on the TV screen, you're going to be fine. At least no worse off than any other TV in similar situations. Now if only we could make women understand the importance of a high quality TV set... and audio equipment...

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We have a soundbar connected & use HDMI 2 in order to set the soundbars settings (HDMI 2 may be for ARC as well but not at home to check). With ARC the soundbar turns on & off with the LG remote. Sometimes when our home power goes out during a storm the soundbar will not power on automatically using the C8 remote so the C8 is using the TVs speaker audio only. After a few minutes we'll see “HDMI 2.0 now available” in the upper right, as you have, to remind us to turn on the soundbar. That's the only time we see this.
Thanks for the info as this gives me something to go on. The issue may be my video chain components are not HDMI 2.0 equipped. It's just not clear why the message began showing up after a few weeks of use. Oh well, no big deal. I'll keep an eye on it while I enjoy an awesome video display.
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I wonder why there aren't two Technicolor modes for SDR. One for day and one for night. OLED light at 25 is just not bright enough for my room during the day. I do love the mode at 25 for night but resort to switching to ISF bright during the day. Technicolor just looks more accurate to me so it would be cool if they could add a day mode.

Makes me wonder how the new AI picture functionality will work and even if it will by allowed by Technicolor for that specific mode on the 2019s.

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Need a little help. Recently got my 65 inch C8 which I'm very happy with. The problem I'm having is with my universal remote. I have an older Universal Remote Control MX-700. Had it for well over 12-15 years and it's been great controlling all my components which have changed some over those many years. I program it myself. However it won't learn any of the commands from my C8 remote except to turn the display on and off. Is the C8 remote RF or is something else causing my problems?


What universal remotes do owners here use that seem to work fine with the LG OLEDs? I'm open to finally getting a new one but am not looking to spend $300-$500 or more for one if I don't have to.


Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Need a little help. Recently got my 65 inch C8 which I'm very happy with. The problem I'm having is with my universal remote. I have an older Universal Remote Control MX-700. Had it for well over 12-15 years and it's been great controlling all my components which have changed some over those many years. I program it myself. However it won't learn any of the commands from my C8 remote except to turn the display on and off. Is the C8 remote RF or is something else causing my problems?


What universal remotes do owners here use that seem to work fine with the LG OLEDs? I'm open to finally getting a new one but am not looking to spend $300-$500 or more for one if I don't have to.


Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Need a little help. Recently got my 65 inch C8 which I'm very happy with. The problem I'm having is with my universal remote. I have an older Universal Remote Control MX-700. Had it for well over 12-15 years and it's been great controlling all my components which have changed some over those many years. I program it myself. However it won't learn any of the commands from my C8 remote except to turn the display on and off. Is the C8 remote RF or is something else causing my problems?


What universal remotes do owners here use that seem to work fine with the LG OLEDs? I'm open to finally getting a new one but am not looking to spend $300-$500 or more for one if I don't have to.


Thanks in advance for any suggestions.


I use the Logitech harmony 950 that I bought used for $100. I also have a 665 that I was using before. Both work well.
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Need a little help. Recently got my 65 inch C8 which I'm very happy with. The problem I'm having is with my universal remote. I have an older Universal Remote Control MX-700. Had it for well over 12-15 years and it's been great controlling all my components which have changed some over those many years. I program it myself. However it won't learn any of the commands from my C8 remote except to turn the display on and off. Is the C8 remote RF or is something else causing my problems?


What universal remotes do owners here use that seem to work fine with the LG OLEDs? I'm open to finally getting a new one but am not looking to spend $300-$500 or more for one if I don't have to.


Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

I use Harmony 700's. One for the downstairs system (LCD) and one for the upstairs system (65 C8). Took about 10 minutes to program, from opening up the box to controlling my HTS's.

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^^ Why dejudder period or other enhancements? Of course "beauty in the eye of the beholder"!
Coming from plasma, the stuttering on OLEDs can be a little overwhelming in 24p content. And unfortunately BFI is useless since it doesn't remove telecine judder. DeJudder of 1-2 takes the edge of the stuttering with negligible SOE or artifacts. Not sure what DeBlur does. I might revert back to having all interpolation turned off, but just testing for now. Really wish the BFI on these TVs gets fixed...
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^motion and LG are like oil and water imo, best to leave tru motion off.
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^motion and LG are like oil and water imo, best to leave tru motion off.
Agreed

Just like any TV its usually best to turn almost everything off. I am sick on my bedroom which has a $400 4K TV and I turned on sports mode BUT only because it's normal configuration is calibrated for theater and a dark room with the LCD backlight as low as it goes.

The LG 65 C8 is like a TV you could put on the worst mode but as long as the processing is off it almost cant look bad. I feel like its grade is a low of good to if everything is right a high grade of killer.

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^I enable dynamic tone mapping with HDR10 sources, to my untrained eye, most content looks dim with it off.
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I wonder why there aren't two Technicolor modes for SDR. One for day and one for night. OLED light at 25 is just not bright enough for my room during the day. I do love the mode at 25 for night but resort to switching to ISF bright during the day. Technicolor just looks more accurate to me so it would be cool if they could add a day mode.

Makes me wonder how the new AI picture functionality will work and even if it will by allowed by Technicolor for that specific mode on the 2019s.
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^^ Why dejudder period or other enhancements? Of course "beauty in the eye of the beholder"!
Because this TV handles motion terribly. I've had my 77" 4 months now. Coming from a LED DLP. Trying to watch sports on this thing was a huge shock to my eyes and looked terrible. 4 months later, it's not as bad, but it's not good. Any time a camera pans across, the background blurs. I still find it very distracting. You can't use dejudder and deblur because it makes a thrown football disappear which just sucks. I'm seriously thinking about selling it and going back to my 67" DLP. Motion was perfect.
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Which DLP did you have?

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Recording free OTA TV for 'time shifting' has been here since 1975. Will there be DVR's to do the same when ATSC3 obsoletes existing DVR's??
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Ok, I remember that. It's too bad it didn't go anywhere, it surely beat that damn color wheel!

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Coming from plasma, the stuttering on OLEDs can be a little overwhelming in 24p content. And unfortunately BFI is useless since it doesn't remove telecine judder. DeJudder of 1-2 takes the edge of the stuttering with negligible SOE or artifacts. Not sure what DeBlur does. I might revert back to having all interpolation turned off, but just testing for now. Really wish the BFI on these TVs gets fixed...
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Because this TV handles motion terribly. I've had my 77" 4 months now. Coming from a LED DLP. Trying to watch sports on this thing was a huge shock to my eyes and looked terrible. 4 months later, it's not as bad, but it's not good. Any time a camera pans across, the background blurs. I still find it very distracting. You can't use dejudder and deblur because it makes a thrown football disappear which just sucks. I'm seriously thinking about selling it and going back to my 67" DLP. Motion was perfect.

I do use my DLP projector for most movies that are not as dark as Harry Potter or the Alien series. With that said I guess my eyes do not see any issues, maybe banding in some scenes of single color. Now SOE I do notice and I do not like it, some people do like my sister-in-law and they keep it on. I do not notice stuttering and/or motion issues.



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In case of using tecnicolor by default, I understand that the light must be kept oled to 25, otherwise, accuracy is lost ??? the light oled to 25 for the day seems like a joke.
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What universal remotes do owners here use that seem to work fine with the LG OLEDs? I'm open to finally getting a new one but am not looking to spend $300-$500 or more for one if I don't have to.
I've been using this one:

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I really like it, and it's only $27. Very customizable for any edge cases where the pre-programmed settings are not to one's liking.
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Having a problem with my 77" C8 and the fact that the entire TV/panel is bent/curved. This creates an image that is slighlty "warped", something that can seen by some but not all viewers (mostly seen by the ones with good eye sight). Its not very easy to meassure but from what we have seen, there is about 10 mm difference between the edges as shown in these images (we don't have a spirit level / bubble level that is long enough but that is a plank that should be straight as it is an skirting board that is manufactured in an industrialized environment and we have tried several with the same result).









Does anyone have a reliable document regarding what manufacturing variances that LG allow for this model? Have anyone else experienced similar problems with the model (ie a bend this large)?



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Because this TV handles motion terribly. I've had my 77" 4 months now. Coming from a LED DLP. Trying to watch sports on this thing was a huge shock to my eyes and looked terrible. 4 months later, it's not as bad, but it's not good. Any time a camera pans across, the background blurs. I still find it very distracting. You can't use dejudder and deblur because it makes a thrown football disappear which just sucks. I'm seriously thinking about selling it and going back to my 67" DLP. Motion was perfect.

I have TruMotion disabled on my 65 C8 and watching football is just fine. No blurred background during a pan and a thrown football looks like it should. A nice tight sprial

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Is there a "slim" wall mount available from LG for the 65" C8? On their website, I can only find one for the 77" or the 2016/17 models:
https://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video...ies/lg-OTW420B
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New 77" C8 Owner

Just bought a 77" C8 calibrated by Value Electronics. No issues with 4K and HDR material but when watching standard content from Fios through my Tivo Bolt, the PQ, at times can leave a lot to be desired.

For example, watching Hell's Kitchen on Fox was mostly a grainy, noisy picture. Was it terrible? No. But it was a considerable step down from a standard 1080P HDTV. I noticed that Fox was transmitting in 720P, so I'm guessing the C8 cannot upscale that content too well.

Later, I was watching HGTV which was transmitting in 1080i and I noticed it looked considerably better. Very good quality actually.

IMHO, watching upscaled content on the C8 is no where near as good as watching it on a standard 1080P TV. But I guess I'll live with it in exchange for the stunning UHD PQ.

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