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^^^^ it could be due to overcompression by your service provider. We have Comcrap local HDTV only and for the most part, pq is really good, even when upconverted to 4k. Some broadcast networks are better than others but overall, pq is good. We have a 65 C8.
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^I enable dynamic tone mapping with HDR10 sources, to my untrained eye, most content looks dim with it off.
Yes. Dynamic tone mapping is also the the one thing I have one. Anyone use anything else? It pains me every time I get a new tv with all these fancy things to immediately turn off all of it.

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What's stopping you from turning up the OLED light yourself.
I am too lazy to do that on pretty much a daily basis...lol. It'd be nice if there was Technicolor Day. I guess I'll just stick with ISF Bright for day.

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Just bought a 77" C8 calibrated by Value Electronics. No issues with 4K and HDR material but when watching standard content from Fios through my Tivo Bolt, the PQ, at times can leave a lot to be desired.

For example, watching Hell's Kitchen on Fox was mostly a grainy, noisy picture. Was it terrible? No. But it was a considerable step down from a standard 1080P HDTV. I noticed that Fox was transmitting in 720P, so I'm guessing the C8 cannot upscale that content too well.

Later, I was watching HGTV which was transmitting in 1080i and I noticed it looked considerably better. Very good quality actually.

IMHO, watching upscaled content on the C8 is no where near as good as watching it on a standard 1080P TV. But I guess I'll live with it in exchange for the stunning UHD PQ.
Imagine how bad the 8K TVs will be for up converted 1080 or even 4k. Everything will be fuzzy and trashy. Its unfortunate that they released 8K so quickly.

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^^ I think they are pushing broadcasters to change!
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8K is a joke.
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I watched Hell Fest last night via VUDU in DV and it looked awesome. It was made for OLED. The dark scenes along with the bright highlights just looked incredible on my E8 last night. Highly recommend this movie for eye candy.

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I watched Hell Fest last night via VUDU in DV and it looked awesome. It was made for OLED. The dark scenes along with the bright highlights just looked incredible on my E8 last night. Highly recommend this movie for eye candy.
And the colors were great. Another awesome movie experience is Goosebumps 2 Haunted Halloween (4K HDR) .
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8K is a joke.
For normal viewing on a C8 sized display 4K is more resolution than needed -- but you have to create reasons to keep people buying new displays. Of course there is a great deal of commercial content captured (or can be scanned) at resolutions higher than 4K.

I might type 2K for 1080p.
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My C8 is wired too. If the app can't see your TV in the same network then you've got a networking issue to solve. My old netgear had an option for "wireless isolation" which prevented devices from talking to each other. If you are on a guest network some routers will disable device communication by default.
I have a pretty complicated Unifi network with 5 separate VLANs and I have designated networks where devices can talk to each other. The LG app works fine for me. Anyway this is a problem for another forum.

Interesting. I can play music & video off my PC on this network but my Android phone could never "find" the C8. The C8 was listed & an IP address was shown but the app said it could connect it with our network. I'll try again.

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Because this TV handles motion terribly. I've had my 77" 4 months now. Coming from a LED DLP. Trying to watch sports on this thing was a huge shock to my eyes and looked terrible. 4 months later, it's not as bad, but it's not good. Any time a camera pans across, the background blurs. I still find it very distracting. You can't use dejudder and deblur because it makes a thrown football disappear which just sucks. I'm seriously thinking about selling it and going back to my 67" DLP. Motion was perfect.
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I have TruMotion disabled on my 65 C8 and watching football is just fine. No blurred background during a pan and a thrown football looks like it should. A nice tight sprial

I have TruMotion disabled on my 65 C8 as well and watching football is just fine. My brother just bought a 82" Samsung QLED & the motion was terrible until TruMotion was turned off. Might need to check settings.

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For normal viewing on a C8 sized display 4K is more resolution than needed -- but you have to create reasons to keep people buying new displays. Of course there is a great deal of commercial content captured (or can be scanned) at resolutions higher than 4K.
And those reasons (none of them are "we want 8K"!) are:
  • Higher frame rates (in the content) first, BEFORE you even think about anything higher than 4K. Motion with 8K at 24fps is going to look even worse than 4K at 24fps. Perhaps not for movies, but TV broadcasted sport should be HDR 4K 120fps.
  • Higher peak brightness.
  • Fully 12-bit panels.
  • Better near-black performance.
  • Better uniformity - end the "panel lottery".
  • Better lifetime of the panels.
I see no need whatsoever for 8K before all of the above are in place.

Plus, as I keep saying - the screen sizes required [for the difference between 4K and 8K to be visible at normal distance] mean 8K panels won't fit in the majority of UK houses. And that's if they were affordable.

So, come back when you're selling a 4K OLED panel which is fully 12-bit, with 4,000 bits brightness and does 240fps for gaming. At that point, you may start to increase the resolution Mr LG.
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8k is not happening for a very long time
Its a look what we have at expo thing.

4k (though different screen tech may change) has at least a decade.

This is the first year there was even a real selection of 4k, HDR, Dolby Vision, Atmos, etc and there are so many other movies...

Streaming is just finally getting there.

Game consoles.

No one will be looking for real an 8k for... a really long time


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And those reasons (none of them are "we want 8K"!) are:
  • Higher frame rates (in the content) first, BEFORE you even think about anything higher than 4K. Motion with 8K at 24fps is going to look even worse than 4K at 24fps. Perhaps not for movies, but TV broadcasted sport should be HDR 4K 120fps.
  • Higher peak brightness.
  • Fully 12-bit panels.
  • Better near-black performance.
  • Better uniformity - end the "panel lottery".
  • Better lifetime of the panels.

I see no need whatsoever for 8K before all of the above are in place.



Plus, as I keep saying - the screen sizes required [for the difference between 4K and 8K to be visible at normal distance] mean 8K panels won't fit in the majority of UK houses. And that's if they were affordable.



So, come back when you're selling a 4K OLED panel which is fully 12-bit, with 4,000 bits brightness and does 240fps for gaming. At that point, you may start to increase the resolution Mr LG.
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Oh and UK houses, fitting? You nailed it right there. I'm in the US bu hr if you have ever been to UK...., you are so not kidding. And if in an apartment building with fire doors, that's a joyous delivery as well. Ha.
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Haha. Now try carrying a 60kg 32" CRT up a spiral staircase
I hope you are remembering a long time ago in a CRT. Still I feel your pain
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I hope you are remembering a long time ago in a CRT. Still I feel your pain
Those bastards were HEAVY.
Luckily I am only remembering reading about someone else having to make that particular delivery . And yes it was ages ago


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Luckily I am only remembering reading about someone else having to make that particular delivery . And yes it was ages ago





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Yes. Dynamic tone mapping is also the the one thing I have one. Anyone use anything else? It pains me every time I get a new tv with all these fancy things to immediately turn off all of it.

How about gamma? What is the

BT. NUMBERGOESHERE mode?

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I have TruMotion disabled on my 65 C8 and watching football is just fine. No blurred background during a pan and a thrown football looks like it should. A nice tight sprial
I think the 77" size is a contributing factor. It wouldn't be a pronounced on a smaller display.
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I have TruMotion disabled on my 65 C8 as well and watching football is just fine. My brother just bought a 82" Samsung QLED & the motion was terrible until TruMotion was turned off. Might need to check settings.
All motion settings are off. I played with dejudder and deblur for 2.5 months before finally realizing that off was as good as any value on. And I do believe that the extra 12" of display area makes a difference.
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Watched the 4k disc of Valerian last night on my 77” OLED. The colors, brightness and sharpness are among the best I’ve ever seen on any display. The Atmos Audio was also very good, with appropriate use of the ceiling speakers. Weird movie, but reference audio and video quality, IMHO.


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Luckily I am only remembering reading about someone else having to make that particular delivery . And yes it was ages ago


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IMHO, watching upscaled content on the C8 is no where near as good as watching it on a standard 1080P TV. But I guess I'll live with it in exchange for the stunning UHD PQ.
I would submit that it is probably your source. Upscaled content from Directv on my C8 looks noticeably better than on my previous Panasonic 1080p plasma. Noticeable even to my wife, who usually doesn't notice such things.
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I would submit that it is probably your source. Upscaled content from Directv on my C8 looks noticeably better than on my previous Panasonic 1080p plasma. Noticeable even to my wife, who usually doesn't notice such things.
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I think the 77" size is a contributing factor. It wouldn't be a pronounced on a smaller display.
Yep. The bigger you go the better the chance of noticing "defects" or anomalies.

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Anyone know what the 10 options for DeJudder do exactly? @24p, there can only be 4 frames interpolated between the original frames, yet there are 10 settings.

I personally can only tolerate DeJudder of 1, anymore and the SOE and artifacts are too noticeable.

Also, I've seen some people say that turning up DeBlur to 10 will increase the lines of motion of the TV even for 24p content? Is this true or just a myth? I don't see any effect of DB when watching 24p content.
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Yep. The bigger you go the better the chance of noticing "defects" or anomalies.


Agreed, and that confirms with me that I’ve been blessed with a good panel. I sit about 8 feet from a 77” C8 in a man cave, so defects would be easily identifiable. Another point I’d like to make: I was watching playoff football this past weekend, and noticed no motion artifacts or other issues, but I have a rooftop antenna with TiVo, so I’m wondering if at least part of the problem some are experiencing are due to compression artifacts.


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Agreed, and that confirms with me that I’ve been blessed with a good panel. I sit about 8 feet from a 77” C8 in a man cave, so defects would be easily identifiable. Another point I’d like to make: I was watching playoff football this past weekend, and noticed no motion artifacts or other issues, but I have a rooftop antenna with TiVo, so I’m wondering if at least part of the problem some are experiencing are due to compression artifacts.


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Does your 77 make any buzzing or hissing sounds on darker scenes


Not that my 61 year old ears can detect (or the younger people that have watched it with me).


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