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^^ I really do not think front projectors will be in any serious trouble anytime soon or even later. They will deliver better technology just like OLED, CLEDIS, etc are improving. Nothing beats a 120" screen in a light controlled room, just my opinion!
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^^ I really do not think front projectors will be in any serious trouble anytime soon or even later. They will deliver better technology just like OLED, CLEDIS, etc are improving. Nothing beats a 120" screen in a light controlled room, just my opinion!
A 120" micro-LED or rollable OLED would certainly beat it. Projectors have long since been surpassed in picture quality. Screen size is the only advantage they currently hold.

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My Brightness adjustment went from 55 to 51 over the first 300 hours using a Test Disk and Test Patterns on a USB Stick. This is on my Display they are all different.
I think you will find that the settings all change alot during the first 300 hours. I could see verifiable change by meter and pattern generator for the first 400 hours.
Doesn’t changing brightness affect HDR differently than you would expect it to with SDR? Have you found lowering your brightness setting has impacted your picture quality in any negative way... as in, maybe you elimated clouding but the blacks were minorly crushed?
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^^ I really do not think front projectors will be in any serious trouble anytime soon or even later. They will deliver better technology just like OLED, CLEDIS, etc are improving. Nothing beats a 120" screen in a light controlled room, just my opinion!
I just got a 65" C8 coming from an older DLP RPTV. I also have a JVC projector with a 100" screen. While the Oled looks fantastic, there is something about the film like look of the JVC that I would still prefer to watch movies on it. I love C8 for TV watching, streaming HDR shows, and sports. But when I want to watch a movie, it's the projector. Actually I was surprised how well it held its with with SDR BT2020 UHD content tone mapped from my Panasonic ub820. Part of this is size, but there is also a feel to the image that makes it more like a movie than TV....so to speak. I had thought if I could get a roll down 100" Oled, I'd do it over a FP, but now I'm not so sure.
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Doesn’t changing brightness affect HDR differently than you would expect it to with SDR? Have you found lowering your brightness setting has impacted your picture quality in any negative way... as in, maybe you elimated clouding but the blacks were minorly crushed?
Ya but size/quality will still have to face the price option.
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I have only set the Brightness specifically where the test disk, test pattern, or pattern generator told me to set it. I learned a long time ago that trying to change settings from broadcaster to broadcaster is impossible. The Best you can do with all calibrations,where broadcasters are concerned is to find the Top 3 channels that you watch most and then split the differences between those 3 and live with it. I have a Major Broadcaster in my area who can't even get all their Cameras to look the same when they are doing the news. As for DVD players I set them up one time with meters, test patterns and live with it, till I change it out.

Black levels are so hard to get to look right sometimes because of Director's one time they want you to see deep and other times not, so they will play with brightness levels right in the middle of something.
So to answer your original question. Sometimes a little crushed Black makes 90% of the rest of my picture look better . My personal opinion is the if I have to error on one side or the other I usually prefer a slight crushed black.
But when it's right by manufactures Display and Video media it is a beautiful thing.
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I just got a 65" C8 coming from an older DLP RPTV. I also have a JVC projector with a 100" screen. While the Oled looks fantastic, there is something about the film like look of the JVC that I would still prefer to watch movies on it. I love C8 for TV watching, streaming HDR shows, and sports. But when I want to watch a movie, it's the projector. Actually I was surprised how well it held its with with SDR BT2020 UHD content tone mapped from my Panasonic ub820. Part of this is size, but there is also a feel to the image that makes it more like a movie than TV....so to speak. I had thought if I could get a roll down 100" Oled, I'd do it over a FP, but now I'm not so sure.

Nothing beats the JVC projectors contrast, brightness and size for the price option, at present. And it looks phenomenal. I mostly watch movies on the projector unless they are of the dark variety like Harry Potter and Alien series....
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Is dithering and Macro-blocking in near dark scenes the correct description of the issue?
Vincent coined the term "near-black chrominance overshoot".

Macroblocking is not this issue, as Vincent explains, and as we've been saying for 4 months . Macroblocking can be made far worse when the content has this following problem: "the bitrate was far too low". When you combine that with very dark near-black content (where OLEDs can struggle), you get large visible blocks. If on the other hand the bitrate had been decent, you'd get less of this but because near-black is so difficult it's one of the weaknesses of OLEDs. (Why don't you get this on LCDs? Because they can't get anywhere near this dark in the first place!)

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I do see flashing in dark content as well. But I think that problem goes hand and hand with this macroblocking and crushing issue.
No, it's been proved that they are two utterly separate issues. Please let's not undo months of very careful investigation :-)

I'll post this again, please watch it and it'll catch you up to date (that reddit thread is outdated now):

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Vincent coined the term "near-black chrominance overshoot".

Macroblocking is not this issue, as Vincent explains, and as we've been saying for 4 months . Macroblocking can be made far worse when the content has this following problem: "the bitrate was far too low". When you combine that with very dark near-black content (where OLEDs can struggle), you get large visible blocks. If on the other hand the bitrate had been decent, you'd get less of this but because near-black is so difficult it's one of the weaknesses of OLEDs. (Why don't you get this on LCDs? Because they can't get anywhere near this dark in the first place!)



No, it's been proved that they are two utterly separate issues. Please let's not undo months of very careful investigation :-)

I'll post this again, please watch it and it'll catch you up to date (that reddit thread is outdated now):
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I'll take your word (and Vincent's) on this problem - I'm no expert all I can say is that I've seen these issues since day one on my otherwise lovely C8. I certainly hope that LG comes through on a fix for these kinds of issues sooner rather than later.
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I have only set the Brightness specifically where the test disk, test pattern, or pattern generator told me to set it. I learned a long time ago that trying to change settings from broadcaster to broadcaster is impossible.

Yep. That's why I calibrated my LCD years ago for movies only (blu-ray) because the signal was the most consistent and most films adhered to the rec.709 standards. I then copied the calibrated settings to the OTA input for broadcast television and then tweaked to taste. Some stations were consistent and others weren't, but given the wide variability in source material it was just something I learned to live with. Live news was ok, but anything else.......


Fortunately I haven't seen a need to calibrate the C8 because the basic settings seem to work very well with just a few modifications as the panel has "aged".
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My 55E8 is two weeks old today and quite the upgrade from the 2012 Samsung 7100.
My only disappointment so far is my center channel speaker now resides behind the LG, and I cannot enjoy the new audio codecs with my current RX-A2000 and Oppo BDP 93 equipment. Ah, but things could be worse. I will enjoy what I am lucky to have!
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Vincent coined the term "near-black chrominance overshoot".

Macroblocking is not this issue, as Vincent explains, and as we've been saying for 4 months . Macroblocking can be made far worse when the content has this following problem: "the bitrate was far too low". When you combine that with very dark near-black content (where OLEDs can struggle), you get large visible blocks. If on the other hand the bitrate had been decent, you'd get less of this but because near-black is so difficult it's one of the weaknesses of OLEDs. (Why don't you get this on LCDs? Because they can't get anywhere near this dark in the first place!)



No, it's been proved that they are two utterly separate issues. Please let's not undo months of very careful investigation :-)

I'll post this again, please watch it and it'll catch you up to date (that reddit thread is outdated now):
https://youtu.be/KjObx--Oq8g

HTH
Please look again at my pics again and let me know what you think. I know there are many different un-related issues discussed here, but what I am seeing seems different than what you are referring. I never see any flashing and most of the time the issue is quite removed from near black, and seems most noticeable in dim closeup scenes of dark hair and dark clothing.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoULwacw8Ndygo1R_NM0CoT8ASE5iQ
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My 55E8 is two weeks old today and quite the upgrade from the 2012 Samsung 7100.
My only disappointment so far is my center channel speaker now resides behind the LG, and I cannot enjoy the new audio codecs with my current RX-A2000 and Oppo BDP 93 equipment. Ah, but things could be worse. I will enjoy what I am lucky to have!
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Please look again at my pics again and let me know what you think. I know there are many different un-related issues discussed here, but what I am seeing seems different than what you are referring. I never see any flashing and most of the time the issue is quite removed from near black, and seems most noticeable in dim closeup scenes of dark hair and dark clothing.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoULwacw8Ndygo1R_NM0CoT8ASE5iQ
You're not imagining things, I have seen similar issues on my C8.
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Please look again at my pics again and let me know what you think. I know there are many different un-related issues discussed here, but what I am seeing seems different than what you are referring. I never see any flashing and most of the time the issue is quite removed from near black, and seems most noticeable in dim closeup scenes of dark hair and dark clothing.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoULwacw8Ndygo1R_NM0CoT8ASE5iQ
Hmm. Ok, yes it's not the near-black chrominance overshoot, or macroblocking. Looks like severe posterisation to me. Does this happen in every picture mode? What if you use technicolor with the factory defaults?

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I purchased a new media console to accommodate the 65 C8 and new audio components. I wanted to have the audio compliment the C8 without compromise.
Unfortunately I do not have enough space to accomodate a new console, but maybe I can research a "taller" console. Thanks for the inspiration!
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I think the 88” will be affordable in a few years (and even better than the current iteration). At that point, front projectors could be in some serious trouble. It wasn’t so very long ago the 77” was 20k. We’re moving in the right direction, it’s a great time for a home theater hobbyist to be alive!
I doubt a high end 85" + will be available for below $10,000. Has not happened yet ijn history, not a high end.

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All you have to do is fire up a DLA-RS540u and anyone would agree with you. $4000 for the projector MSRP, $300 for a screen.......
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LG OLED 65E8 question.
Just received my set today and have a quick question. I can’t get 4K on the sets internal Netflix or amazon prime apps. Works fine through my Apple TV 4K external box. I’m I missing something or is this normal
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Hmm. Ok, yes it's not the near-black chrominance overshoot, or macroblocking. Looks like severe posterisation to me. Does this happen in every picture mode? What if you use technicolor with the factory defaults?
All picture modes with default settings look very similar. Source is Directv network shows, normally very good. I should add, I can improve somewhat if I adjust brightness up or down a bit from 50, never the same amount and direction though.
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I doubt a high end 85" + will be available for below $10,000. Has not happened yet ijn history, not a high end.



All you have to do is fire up a DLA-RS540u and anyone would agree with you. $4000 for the projector MSRP, $300 for a screen.......

To take advantage of the JVC you will need a bat cave. To take advantage of OLED in all its glory is a dim room. Advantage OLED
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Please look again at my pics again and let me know what you think. I know there are many different un-related issues discussed here, but what I am seeing seems different than what you are referring. I never see any flashing and most of the time the issue is quite removed from near black, and seems most noticeable in dim closeup scenes of dark hair and dark clothing.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoULwacw8Ndygo1R_NM0CoT8ASE5iQ
Yeah this looks like really bad posterization like others said. Do you have a timestamp of any show/movie on amazon/netflix that shows similar results?

Do you have MPEG Noise Reduction turned on? Try playing with that at different levels and see if it makes a difference...that setting is also tied to color banding reduction..that's not exactly what I see in your images but perhaps it may help.
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Did you read the rting's report?
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Please look again at my pics again and let me know what you think. I know there are many different un-related issues discussed here, but what I am seeing seems different than what you are referring. I never see any flashing and most of the time the issue is quite removed from near black, and seems most noticeable in dim closeup scenes of dark hair and dark clothing.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoULwacw8Ndygo1R_NM0CoT8ASE5iQ
That's not specific to just the 8 series. My E6 would do that as well as my FALD LCD. Low bitrate streaming is the main culprit.
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That's not specific to just the 8 series. My E6 would do that as well as my FALD LCD. Low bitrate streaming is the main culprit.
Have never seen this on any panel except LG OLEDs (multiple FALD sets and plasmas). Saw it within the first day of owning a C8. I definitely agree that low bitrate streaming contributes, but perhaps the effects are simply much worse on the LGs.
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Was watching A Few Good Men off Apple TV 4K. It's a 4K Dolby Vision title. It looks great for the most part. But at several points, especially whenever Danny (Tom Cruise) is interviewing his clients, there tends to be a distracting flicker or flashing of the wall behind Danny (good example is at 52:41). Then, if you can't quite see that, check out the flickering sky at 56:36.

Anyone else seeing that? I'll need to go back and watch something else now just to convince myself it's the transfer and something hasn't gone terribly wrong with my TV. =)
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White Balance Greyed Out & HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color Off

Had the C8 for about a month.

Performed a couple of factory resets to access "White Balance" settings and turn HDMI Ultra Deep Color on, but once HDMI inputs are assigned to Oppo 4K player and other components, White balance greys out and HDMI Ultra HD Deep Color reverts back to off.

Is this normal? Seems odd to me, thinking it may be a bug, defect..

Any input is greatly appreciated.

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