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What’s “a bit of atmos support “ mean? The C8 can certainly pass lossless Atmos to an external device that can support Atmos but any ”Atmos” that is passed to the internal speakers is pretty much meaningless. How can downfiring speakers pass audio to surround the listener?


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This is my second OLED TV that developed this . It's a horizontal black line in the middle of screen It looks like someone took a ruler and drew a straight line in the middle of the screen with a pencil, it's happening in all four HDMI inputs .Very disappointed with LG OLED .
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So I had c8 1month now and I can make a short review and compare it to the q9fm

Picture Quality : Is hyper greaty like twice as good as the Q9
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It's great, way better then the q9fn. 1080p looks like 4k, just make sure u Set super Resolution to high and sharpness to atleast 25
Motion: Samsung has the worst motion I have ever seen in my life. LG C8 with 3/6 is good but could be better.
I dont own the q9 but just bought the q8 for my bedroom, and after a few days got the colors and skin tone right...and even after that, the q8 doesnt touch the C8 in any meaningful way for serious viewing. The fact of the matter is that Oled is still king until another emmesive display comes along.
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Turn off Truemotion.
That didnt fix my problem either. Did a 5% grey and I dont have a single hint of banding either. Bummer.
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That didnt fix my problem either. Did a 5% grey and I dont have a single hint of banding either. Bummer.

Well that is strange.

I just tried this modernwize video myself and I'm getting that exact same effect on the face but only if I have truemotion enabled. You could try the technicolor preset, which has truemotion and other picture enhancements disabled by default.
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I’ve opened my c8 and I have not seen any upfiring speakers.

I am just telling you what LG claims in their specs and advertising. and at least some reviewers have said it does give a bit of the atmos height effect although the lack of surround channels is a lot more noticeable. Certainly other reviewers question how it could possibly work. Certainly on the 2017 models it was the one difference between the B7P and B7A that was supposed to justify the B7A being cheaper than the B7P. The 2018 have the same speaker layout and features according to the specs. So LG claims it has height channels for the front somehow, although I don't know if anyone thinks speakers in the TV could ever do much.

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What’s “a bit of atmos support “ mean? The C8 can certainly pass lossless Atmos to an external device that can support Atmos but any ”Atmos” that is passed to the internal speakers is pretty much meaningless. How can downfiring speakers pass audio to surround the listener?

No idea. LG claims it has 2.2 speakers. I had imagined they had 2 on the bottom and 2 at the top of the vents of the electronics block on the back. I don't know why there are never pictures of the insides of TVs anywhere. People take apart tablets, phones, computers, etc and take pictures, but apparently not TVs.
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No idea. LG claims it has 2.2 speakers. I had imagined they had 2 on the bottom and 2 at the top of the vents of the electronics block on the back. I don't know why there are never pictures of the insides of TVs anywhere. People take apart tablets, phones, computers, etc and take pictures, but apparently not TVs.
The only speakers on the 77c8 that I’ve seen are the two on the bottom. I’m 99.9% sure that’s the only speakers. I think the “Atmos” is software based.
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I'm afraid I am going to have to return mine. I just can't deal with the motion issues. I guess I'm just too sensitive to it.

Best Buy only has a 15 day return window. I bought online. Does anyone know if that starts the day of the delivery or is it the day you made the purchase?

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should be from the day of delivery when you signed for the tv. I have no motion problems. I keep motion setting to off. Every time you pick a different picture setting, cinema, game, sports, etc..you must go into settings and turn off the motion as the default is on.
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[QUOTE=ari821;57731880]Lg passes lossy Atmos over arc to external sound systems through DD+


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I meant lossy so thanks for catching that.

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The only speakers on the 77c8 that I’ve seen are the two on the bottom. I’m 99.9% sure that’s the only speakers. I think the “Atmos” is software based.
Could be, although then the claim of 2.2 speaker configuration in the specs would seem like a lie.

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Thank you. I will try that when I get home tonight. Mucho Gracias.
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This is my second OLED TV that developed this . It's a horizontal black line in the middle of screen It looks like someone took a ruler and drew a straight line in the middle of the screen with a pencil, it's happening in all four HDMI inputs .Very disappointed with LG OLED .
Ya, screen is shot Call up LG, it is within warranty right?
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Strange issue has occurred with our C8 purchased in November 2018, some flickering banding at the bottom of the screen - irrespective of content (USB, Apps, broadcasts). I tried resetting factory setting and the pixel/picture refresher but nothing has changed. So it's under warranty and it will get resolved I'm sure but this C8 is actually a replacement for a B6 that we had a dead pixel on after 3-6 months or so.

My question is, are OLEDs from LG known for performance failures like this? Once I could see but twice in two straight OLEDs under a year of very light use? No gaming, no PC, at best 1-2 hrs/day of use

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should be from the day of delivery when you signed for the tv. I have no motion problems. I keep motion setting to off. Every time you pick a different picture setting, cinema, game, sports, etc..you must go into settings and turn off the motion as the default is on.
I've tried every setting possible it seems. There just this nasty stuttering when there's motion on the screen. All sources. Maybe I just got a bad set. 4K is beautiful. But the stuttering is a deal breaker. And I guess my plasma just handles my cable feed better than this OLED.

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Could be, although then the claim of 2.2 speaker configuration in the specs would seem like a lie.
Each left and right speaker has 2 each side maybe that’s where they get there 2.2.
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I've tried every setting possible it seems. There just this nasty stuttering when there's motion on the screen. All sources. Maybe I just got a bad set. 4K is beautiful. But the stuttering is a deal breaker. And I guess my plasma just handles my cable feed better than this OLED.
That’s really unfortunate. Cable (Comcrap) for us is fine for local HDTV stations only. TruMotion is disabled as well as ARC/CEC (not that that’s related).

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[QUOTE=Cleveland Plasma;57733422]You keeping her?

Not sure. I have till 9pm tonight to return it. I am glad that I am not the only one seeing the issue I am having with that face. The only other issues I have is the transition from grey to dark is sometimes REALLY abrupt. We were watching a movie the other night (First Man) and theres a shot where the craft is going into the depths of space. The rear of the ship is directly infront of the camera so its heavy grey colors. then as it gets further in the back ground and there is more space (black) instead of transitioning slowly it just jumps from grey to black. Not sure whats going on but I have seen it with other movies.
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I've tried every setting possible it seems. There just this nasty stuttering when there's motion on the screen. All sources. Maybe I just got a bad set. 4K is beautiful. But the stuttering is a deal breaker. And I guess my plasma just handles my cable feed better than this OLED.

I just sold my panny 65vt60 and all is well. Streaming via Vudu..well that has stuttering issues in motion but all shows and sports, especially hockey , via fios have no issues. I have a C7 from last year that showed me it was ok to get one for my living room so I grabbed a 55 inch E8 a few weeks ago. Check your box's video output settings . If you go through a receiver to your tv, make sure your receiver's 4K up convert is off when viewing your tv service.
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New c8. Is what I'm seeing normal, like his face is getting pulled off. It's a banding test video on YouTube.

I thought maybe it's just cuz of streaming but I think I've seen it in Overlord too.

Also does this TV have a tendency to radicaly change dark scene brightness or fluctuate? https://youtu.be/f5Z1VCx43zc


I just checked and I didn’t see that happening in the built-in YouTube app on my C8. I have TruMotion set to User with both De-Judder and De-Blur set to 0.


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What he has filmed is a TruMotion caused artifact, absolutely no doubt about that.


Now why he is incapable of disabling TruMotion or choose a picture preset that has it disabled by default I can not say...


Also I've never heard of a case where it was glitched and permanently enabled so I doubt that is it.
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Trumotion Maximum

What is the highest level you can set dejudder to, without causing artifacts on the C8?

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What he has filmed is a TruMotion caused artifact, absolutely no doubt about that.


Now why he is incapable of disabling TruMotion or choose a picture preset that has it disabled by default I can not say...


Also I've never heard of a case where it was glitched and permanently enabled so I doubt that is it.
Ill check it again tonight but im telling you, its off and it still happens. Ill try a different preset once and see if that makes a difference. I just went through this crap with my Nu8000. Was ghosting really bad, turned off a setting and fixed it. Told people on here that it was off and fixed it and no one would believe me. Jesus. Cuz I really like wasting time on here asking questions.
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Everyone is complaining about how bad the image when using other video modes, how accurate is that terrible image? HDR Effect is more accurate than the terrible image.
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How can downfiring speakers pass audio to surround the listener?
When the TV was launched and reviewed, we were told that this was the reason for the curved design of the stand: the speakers may fire "down" but the curve is apparently designed to be at the right angle to bounce the sound upwards.

In the same way that those dolby "atmos-enabled" bouncy-house speakers are supposed to work. You know, the ones you have to use as a last resort, if you can't fit ceiling speakers or height speakers. They allegedly work by bouncing sound off the ceiling such that it seems to come from above you. This is the same principle. It's bouncing down first, then the stand acts as a kind of sling-shot to fire it back up at the ceiling. From there it's like the dolby "atmos-enabled" bouncy-house speakers - it comes off the ceiling and sounds like it's coming from above.

It's a tiny bit feasible therefore, that on top of all that, some sound could be sent sideways past you and bounce off your back wall. Just like those "soundbar" thingies claim to do

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You keeping her?

Not sure. I have till 9pm tonight to return it. I am glad that I am not the only one seeing the issue I am having with that face. The only other issues I have is the transition from grey to dark is sometimes REALLY abrupt. We were watching a movie the other night (First Man) and theres a shot where the craft is going into the depths of space. The rear of the ship is directly infront of the camera so its heavy grey colors. then as it gets further in the back ground and there is more space (black) instead of transitioning slowly it just jumps from grey to black. Not sure whats going on but I have seen it with other movies.
In space, you don't have gradual transitions from light to dark or so I have always thought. You have brightness and shadow, no in between.
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In space, you don't have gradual transitions from light to dark or so I have always thought. You have brightness and shadow, no in between.
I get that. I should have videoed it. Like when the ship is up close (75% of the screen) space isnt black its a shade of grey. when the ship gets to about 35% of the screen the grey space flickers a few times then goes black. Its really odd.
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OK I was wrong. It was off but I didn't have it applied to all sources so my Xbox was set to off then when i did the app on the TV it started again cuz it was back on. Thank you
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Yeah sorry for my harsh reply.

I was a bit annoyed because I was certain that TruMotion was the cause of what you had filmed and it didn't cross my mind that you only turned it off for a different input.
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You keeping her?

Ya, screen is shot Call up LG, it is within warranty right?
Yes its under warranty I have 227 hrs on the TV a month old. Now the TV turns off every 30 min by itself & i can't use the build n Apps . The solid black line in the middle of screen running from left to right still there
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