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One thing I am fining really annoying is that changes like color temp settings (Warm1/Warm2) are not instant....when you change them it slowly changes over a few seconds. Hard to A/B compare but even more so a problem when taking measurements.


Not sure if the 2pt and 20pt RGBW controls have this same delay, but something to keep in mind to verify when taking measurements.
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Wow, been away from this forum for awhile...came back and it's crazy!!! I currently am running the .50 FW, and I watched GoT Sunday with that fw installed, through an Xfinity cable box. I was blown away with the clarity and the color. All the black/dark scenes, like Jon down in the tombs and the Tormund scene were perfect, no crush. The only thing I played with was warm 1/warm 2. I had it set to warm 1 from another firmware (I did this not just for the DV setup) and I went back to warm 2. Other then that .50 looks pretty good. DV looks amazing as always, so I am happy with it. For people telling other people to revert back from a fw, just be aware every panel will look different, so what works for you may not work for everyone else. The only thing I can tell people is, use other people's and Rtings settings as a starting point. Then, adjust as you like it!! I can guarantee that my TV would look horrible to someone else, but I love it. As always, I hope you find a setting that you like and end up loving this TV as much as I do. Dynasties, Aquaman and Spiderman: into the Spiderverse were all just mindblowing!!! Enjoy!!
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It is up to you but I see no reason to do it unless you want to get the hours up for a pro calibration , break in is really not required imo . Just watch , vary content and you are good.


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Looked at break in slides with 1 or 2 hrs on LG C8. The darkest gray scale slide had a lot of vertical stripes and darker pixels. Ran LG C8 77" through LG's pixel flip and that cleared up the vertical stripes. Very uniform slides now.
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Anyone have any opinions as to whether or not to keep the plastic screen protector on the back of the TV? I can see that it's useful to keep it on the back as extra protection but that has to counterbalanced with making the TV warmer and perhaps making the plastic messy to remove later as the adhesive deteriorates.

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Anyone have any opinions as to whether or not to keep the plastic screen protector on the back of the TV? I can see that it's useful to keep it on the back as extra protection but that has to counterbalanced with making TV warmer and perhaps making the plastic messy to remove later as the adhesive deteriorates.
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I may have missed it going through the threads, so apologies if I did, but has anyone confirmed if .50 brings the black levels back to .15 levels or are we still seeing .31 crush? Of course all this crush talk is prejudicing my mind to think I am seeing it, but that may just be herd mentality.
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Anyone have any opinions as to whether or not to keep the plastic screen protector on the back of the TV? I can see that it's useful to keep it on the back as extra protection but that has to counterbalanced with making the TV warmer and perhaps making the plastic messy to remove later as the adhesive deteriorates.

Heat and plastic are like oil and water!
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Heat and plastic are like oil and water!
The thing is, the OLED panel themselves give off little to no heat so I'm not sure if having a plastic film stuck to it really affects it that much?

I'm probably overprotective and will remove it in a couple of months...

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With all the negative posts lately, I wanted to share a positive one.

We are doing some work in the house, and I had to dismantle the theater for a few days. I hooked everything back up yesterday, and was floored by the picture quality on my c8! It was dang near 3d - even on sdr sources.

It was so shocking, I spent 30m trying to figure out what had changed... but settings were all the same, all manipulation off, etc... my wife thinks it was just the comparison to the crappy HD LCD in the hotel room.



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For gaming in SDR, If you have a dual output receiver, or use a direct connection from a console/PC to the TV, change the HDMI input label to PC. You can then use the isf settings and have the same input lag as game mode. Don't use it for HDR as it clips colors.
How bad are colors clipped in HDR with input set to PC? I’m tying to measure the pros and cons and I’ll play around tonight. Sorry if this is a stupid question, I just normally click options based on suggestions given by skilled people like yourself or just give it the old eye test.

With input set to PC and the additional calibration options provided (like code values), HDR ends up less accurate due to clipping colors over HDMI 2 game mode with just 50 color and W50-W45? Trying to gauge the trade off between the two. Thank you for settling this!

It’s a shame about the colors clipping. Why do you suppose this is? Is it the C8 firmware or how the GPU handles the output? (Noticed there is all kinds of modes 422, 444, rgb, full, limited, it just goes on).


As an aside, this TV does not support 1440p so I am adding this in case someone ever Googles, you can do internal scaling from your GPU I found last night that will scale the entire image and not take as much GPU power if you don’t have a card that can play 4K. 4K with medium textures looks far better imo than 1440p maxed though. Save for a GPU so you can hit that 60hz.
PC mode down converts the native signal to 8 bit. That's a huge loss when using a 10-12 bit HDR signal. Colors look like poo. You need to use an HDR color ramp pattern to see the clipping. It's works flawlessly when using an unlabeled HDMI input. The colors/eotf in game mode isn't great, but it's not bad.
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Someone asked about accessing Service Menu:

1. Don't do it ... may brick your tv.
2. Need an LG Service Remote (or other options ... see note 4 below), enter code 0000 or 0413
3. Bought this lg service remote from amazon today: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Has anyone gotten the .50 firmware over the air yet?


Anyone managed to grab an EPK of .50? :-)


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Someone asked about accessing Service Menu:

1. Don't do it ... may brick your tv.
2. Need an LG Service Remote (or other options ... see note 4 below), enter code 0000 or 0413
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PC mode down converts the native signal to 8 bit. That's a huge loss when using a 10-12 bit HDR signal. Colors look like poo. You need to use an HDR color ramp pattern to see the clipping. It's works flawlessly when using an unlabeled HDMI input. The colors/eotf in game mode isn't great, but it's not bad.
Colors don't look like poo here in PC mode. I've just checked a HDR clip in PC mode with preset technicolor and while using another input label (also technicolor preset), and they look roughly the same. Playing a clip on the TV directly from my NAS produced the same results.
Furthermore, 10 or 12-bit input signals not always mean better colors or less banding. Since the April 2018 update, Windows 10 defaults to 8-bit with temporal dithering and after comparing several videos I've came to the conclusion there's less banding with 8-bit and dithering than with 10 or 12 bit. And you get 4:4:4 chroma subsampling to boot!
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PC mode down converts the native signal to 8 bit. That's a huge loss when using a 10-12 bit HDR signal. Colors look like poo. You need to use an HDR color ramp pattern to see the clipping. It's works flawlessly when using an unlabeled HDMI input. The colors/eotf in game mode isn't great, but it's not bad.
Once again thank you! That's good enough for me. I couldn't visually see any issues and it passed all 10 bit test I threw at it unless I just read the results wrong or backwards which would be pretty embarrassing. 8 bit had lines, 10 bit pattern all good. Stacey Spears created a 2160p HEVC Rotating 8bit and 10bit Quantization Artifact test pattern. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B68...ew?usp=sharing, 10 bit and 8 bit gradient pattern https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B68...ew?usp=sharing split screen gradient pattern, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B68...ew?usp=sharing

@Vinz80 how do these patterns come out for you on your PC?
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Pc-mode has color banding problems, especially in in the low end. This is visible when checking gradient patterns like the one from rtings and also in black clipping patterns.

This isn't something you will immediately notice in content but there are certain scenes that will look significantly worse in pc-mode. So for getting that 4:4:4 chroma you have to pay a huge price...


Here is a saturation measurement (SDR 8-bit) of pc-mode vs non-pc mode at low stimulus (I think it was 10 or 15 % but don't remember exactly).

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So good to know both low lag modes have their own downsides. I think I'd rather have the oversaturation of game mode over banding.
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So good to know both low lag modes have their own downsides. I think I'd rather have the oversaturation of game mode over banding.
Hell yea me 2. Banding is cancer to me

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How does one know if automatic compensation has been done when the TV is turned off? Running break-in slide show for 100 hrs. Thx.
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How does one know if automatic compensation has been done when the TV is turned off? Running break-in slide show for 100 hrs. Thx.


The tv will run the cycle then after about 7 to 10 minutes you will hear a click as the power shuts completely off .


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Pc-mode has color banding problems, especially in in the low end. This is visible when checking gradient patterns like the one from rtings and also in black clipping patterns.

This isn't something you will immediately notice in content but there are certain scenes that will look significantly worse in pc-mode. So for getting that 4:4:4 chroma you have to pay a huge price...


Here is a saturation measurement (SDR 8-bit) of pc-mode vs non-pc mode at low stimulus (I think it was 10 or 15 % but don't remember exactly).

is this something they could fix with firmware?
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I don't know, pc-mode has always been somehow borked on LG Oleds. There was also the problem of 'wrong HDR color gamut' when using pc-mode, this one was fixed at one point though.
These problems already existed on my C6, so pc-mode doesn't seem to be a priority for LG.
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Having forgotten to turn off "Automatic Updates", but still in "Engineering Mode", when I got home from work my TV informed me that it had downloaded a new software and that I needed to turn it off and on again to take effect. So I'm now on version 04.20.05. Luckily it still looks great on the default picture setting, ISF Expert (Dark Room). So anyhow I've now gone from 04.10.15 > 04.10.31 > 04.10.50 > 04.20.05. I'll be checking out HDR and Dolby Vision in a bit, but for now I'm still quite pleased with the default picture modes.

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I have no idea what is going on. Any suggestions would be great at this point. I did the engineering thing like always, same routine as everybody else. The update that came through was 4.20.05!!! That's an old firmware, like months old. I was on 4.10.15 downgraded from 4.10.31! Now, I can't even even use Sure to connect to the C8, says it sees it, but can't connect. Been having issues as of late with getting new FW it seems. Nothing has changed at all, all settings including network are the same, as well as the Sure app.
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I have no idea what is going on. Any suggestions would be great at this point. I did the engineering thing like always, same routine as everybody else. The update that came through was 4.20.05!!! That's an old firmware, like months old. I was on 4.10.15 downgraded from 4.10.31! Now, I can't even even use Sure to connect to the C8, says it sees it, but can't connect. Been having issues as of late with getting new FW it seems. Nothing has changed at all, all settings including network are the same, as well as the Sure app.
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4.20.05 uses a really old webos version (lower version than 04.10.15). It still has the HDR luminance fluctuations bug.

I could go back to 04.10.31 using the sure app without problems though.
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4.20.05 uses a really old webos version (lower version than 04.10.15). It still has the HDR luminance fluctuations bug.

I could go back to 04.10.31 using the sure app without problems though.
They should fire their developers. They have newer version but uses older web os version? They don't have version control?

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