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webos version:

04.10.15 - 4.1.0-5608
04.10.31 - 4.1.0-561101
04.10.50 - 4.1.0-561302
04.20.05 - 4.1.0-5605 <-- old
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Hi there

I own an LG C8. I stream everything through my apple TV. Hulu, Netflix, Itunes movies, Amazon Prime.

When I stream Hulu and trumotion is set to OFF there is constant judder/stutter with my picture (whatever the correct term is, its choppy). But when I change trumotion to smooth it becomes smooth again.

Its my understanding you guys all have trumotion off and its still smooth for you, no?

I also have motion eye care off. Whether this matters or not. Any ideas on my issue and how do you have it set up?

Thanks

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I got .50 from the service menu and I do not notice any difference in the shadow detail from .31.
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4.20.05 uses a really old webos version (lower version than 04.10.15). It still has the HDR luminance fluctuations bug.

I could go back to 04.10.31 using the sure app without problems though.
Agreed!

You can google all over the net guys, 4.20.05 has been around since February! So now LG is releasing that again, or is it a newer FW, but only with an older WebOs?

The issue is I can't go back as I stated earlier. Wonder why.
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Well I changed trumotion back to off but changed the de-judder to 10 from 0 and now there is no choppiness. Have any of you guys done that?
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My tv has the 04.10.31 version. I always check for updates and still nothing as of now. But reading through all of this which version is the most current supplied by LG?
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4.20.05 uses a really old webos version (lower version than 04.10.15). It still has the HDR luminance fluctuations bug.

I could go back to 04.10.31 using the sure app without problems though.
Agreed!

You can google all over the net guys, 4.20.05 has been around since February! So now LG is releasing that again, or is it a newer FW, but only with an older WebOs?

The issue is I can't go back as I stated earlier. Wonder why.
Man that sucks! I guess I'll stay on .15 for the foreseeable future.
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Pc-mode has color banding problems, especially in in the low end. This is visible when checking gradient patterns like the one from rtings and also in black clipping patterns.

This isn't something you will immediately notice in content but there are certain scenes that will look significantly worse in pc-mode. So for getting that 4:4:4 chroma you have to pay a huge price...


Here is a saturation measurement (SDR 8-bit) of pc-mode vs non-pc mode at low stimulus (I think it was 10 or 15 % but don't remember exactly).

I presume that a proper calibration would eliminate this.
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PC mode down converts the native signal to 8 bit. That's a huge loss when using a 10-12 bit HDR signal. Colors look like poo. You need to use an HDR color ramp pattern to see the clipping. It's works flawlessly when using an unlabeled HDMI input. The colors/eotf in game mode isn't great, but it's not bad.
Colors don't look like poo here in PC mode. I've just checked a HDR clip in PC mode with preset technicolor and while using another input label (also technicolor preset), and they look roughly the same. Playing a clip on the TV directly from my NAS produced the same results.
Furthermore, 10 or 12-bit input signals not always mean better colors or less banding. Since the April 2018 update, Windows 10 defaults to 8-bit with temporal dithering and after comparing several videos I've came to the conclusion there's less banding with 8-bit and dithering than with 10 or 12 bit. And you get 4:4:4 chroma subsampling to boot!
You're squishing the signal if using HDR in PC mode, as well as sacrificing color accuracy. PC mode is 8 bit, and has about 16 million colors at most. HDR10 is 10 bit, and has 1.073 billion colors. 10 bit has 1024 points of reference per primary color. 8 bit has 255. So even if the source file is using rec 709 in HDR, you gain extra precision with 10 bit. It's an enormous difference.

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All the people downloading firmware updates from engineer mode need to understand that you're basically downloading a beta firmware that engineers continue to improve on until it's released to the public. IE....don't do it.
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With Game of Thrones, Season 8 Episode 1, I had two different viewing experiences. Viewing the original broadcast from my DVR on ATT U-verse was pretty bad. Full of symptoms caused by low bandwidth broadcast.

We switched to HBO Go on our Apple TV 4K, after less than 10 minutes, that viewing experience was fine. So even the same show can look different on the same TV based on how much of the original data has been taken out of it for broadcast.

We bought the first seven seasons on Blu-ray, now that is a quality experience and the Atmos audio is primo as well.

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Do you know if Apple has control over the video quality feed vs HBO Go on other apps? I know they have said they will with their new upcoming service, but don't know if they already do this. Reason I ask is HBO through Amazon channels was a mess on dark scenes for GoT on Sunday. As for the Blu-Rays, I noticed yours have Atmos, so I wonder if they increased the bitrate on those new releases. I have the first run of S1-6 on Blu Ray, and at least the first few seasons have a low bit rate and it shows on dark scenes and with some color banding in Beyond the Wall scenes.
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webos version:

04.10.15 - 4.1.0-5608
04.10.31 - 4.1.0-561101
04.10.50 - 4.1.0-561302
04.20.05 - 4.1.0-5605 <-- old

Nice catch, just checked the OS version and you're definitely right. I'd not seen this firmware version before, thus why I thought it was newer.
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Well I changed trumotion back to off but changed the de-judder to 10 from 0 and now there is no choppiness. Have any of you guys done that?
Motion settings are very subjective so you won't get many responses... as most people appear not be bothered by it.

Motion seems to work fine for many on 24p settings. Many here prefer to use User settings of Dejudder 0, and some value 5 or 10 of deblur.


However, when using streaming services or other 60fps sources, both the dejudder and deblur introduce smearing-like artifacts to varying degree.

Personally I have other issues. I'm in the minority who are very sensitive to SOE. I can't tolerate even the slightest hint of it.. I'm still struggling getting the TV to play 24p a content through streaming or built in app where it's completely free of SOE. People suggest settings that work for them but I still see it..

Experiment with Real cinema and TruMotion off and see if you get artifacts.. There shouldn't be any caused by motion processing... but then again LG appears to hardcode somethings and menu options seem not to change much.

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^^^^^ TrueMotion off for everything and RealCinema on for 24p content (BD). No issues whatsoever.

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^^^^^ TrueMotion off for everything and RealCinema on for 24p content (BD). No issues whatsoever.

My wife and I will watch the home improvement shows on HGTV periodically. The only setting that improves the “stutter” on panning shots is dejudder setting of 4-5. There also is a scene in Skyfall where they are panning the buildings in the abandoned island that looks horrible with true motion off but looks great with dejudder 5. I guess my eyes don’t notice the SOE effect as much as they notice “stutter”. That is why motion is so subjective depending on the viewer and I am glad LG gives us options.
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I will check later tonight. Are your black bars black for ANYTHING you play with black bars? I ask because something came to mind after I wrote my post. Aside from that recent episode of Discovery where I could tell the black bars were not true black...as in I could tell the screen wasn't truly off when I got close and looked at them, I also experienced a much worse example when watching The Expendables 3 in 4K a few weeks back. For that one it was so bad I went online and looked into it and quickly discovered it was the disc itself and not on my end.

And FWIW, I was just watching Batman Begins 4K this afternoon and the bars there were black as can be. Pixels off and all that.
Another ep of Discovery was on tonight and I noticed the same issue as last week so I did some tweaking. I dropped my Brightness from 50 to 47 and that made my black bars...completely black. But now I am wondering if my brightness is too low where I will miss details in other things. Is there a simple way to adjust my picture? Maybe some test patterns? I don't have the means to do a proper calibration.

Also Discovery is apparently HDR. When did that happen.
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All the people downloading firmware updates from engineer mode need to understand that you're basically downloading a beta firmware that engineers continue to improve on until it's released to the public. IE....don't do it.
So some feel the regular firmware is bad and the firmware updates from engineer mode are real bad.... Got it...
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2018 LG C8-E8 Owners' Thread (No Price Talk)

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All the people downloading firmware updates from engineer mode need to understand that you're basically downloading a beta firmware that engineers continue to improve on until it's released to the public. IE....don't do it.


This! These are dev versions and are meant for testing. In short there’s a good chance they’re not the production or the public versions we will see. Don’t touch them! If you do then don’t complain about bugs. I’m surprised LG make these available. But then again you shouldn’t be in the Engineering mode in the first place.


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My wife and I will watch the home improvement shows on HGTV periodically. The only setting that improves the “stutter” on panning shots is dejudder setting of 4-5. There also is a scene in Skyfall where they are panning the buildings in the abandoned island that looks horrible with true motion off but looks great with dejudder 5. I guess my eyes don’t notice the SOE effect as much as they notice “stutter”. That is why motion is so subjective depending on the viewer and I am glad LG gives us options.
I suppose my eyes aren’t what they used to be but everything we’ve watched looks fine. I’ve used the same settings for the LG LCD downstairs for years and it’s been fine for movies, sports, whatever. But yeah, at least LG gives us options to work with.
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New to OLED/Plasma. How do LG owners watch scoped movies with top and bottom bands? Do you try to fill in the entire 16:9 screen ... or does it matter? Most of the time the LG will be used for watching scoped movies.

Have a Radiance Pro as well ... it has masking features to completely mask-out (0% video black) top/bottom and side bands for projectors ... use it's masking features for OLED?

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Okay, got everything back on track. As soon as everything was fine, I checked for an update and 4.10.55 came through. Has that been seen yet?
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Okay, got everything back on track. As soon as everything was fine, I checked for an update and 4.10.55 came through. Has that been seen yet?
Yes, just update...
webOS TV is 4.1.0-561303 (most recent, not as fw 4.20.05..., I've not seen this fw update )
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New to OLED/Plasma. How do LG owners watch scoped movies with top and bottom bands? Do you try to fill in the entire 16:9 screen ... or does it matter? Most of the time the LG will be used for watching scoped movies.

Have a Radiance Pro as well ... it has masking features to completely mask-out (0% video black) top/bottom and side bands for projectors ... use it's masking features for OLED?

Doesn't matter, no impact on uniformity long-term per Rtings study. Personally I like to watch movies in their original format.
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Here is a link to 04.10.55 FW: (4.1.0-561303 vs 04.10.50 which was 4.1.0-561302)

http://webos-forums.ru/topic5051.html

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Are these Firmwares for North America ?

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I cant even tell the difference between de-judder of 5 or 10. I did more testing last night and realized it is a hulu issue and not my tv. Playing itunes movies, netflix, no issues at all. But some channels on hulu will look great and others are choppy. And then if i exit the app go back in it can be fine. I am getting 300 mbps whether that matters or not...
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Looking at these two FWs, the titles have some differences.

First, atsc vs dvb
Second prodkey_usb_usb vs prodkH8DgnbTDey_nsu
Third, different sizes

Seems odd?

starfish-atsc-secured-o18-56.glacier.o18-5608-04.10.15_prodkey_usb_V3_SECURED.epk 896,703,303
starfish-dvb-secured-o18-56.glacier.o18-561303-04.10.55_prodkH8DgnbTDey_nsu_V3_SECURED.epk 873,406,464
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Anyways, I may as well get out my dumb rookie questions all at once. I have no ISF dark room option like the rest of you do. I only have 5 or so picture options so I have it set to Cinema Home. Why is this? I’m afraid I’m not calibrating tv right so use its maximum potential. Atmos/Dolby Vision is enabled...
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