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I understand what both of you are saying. Like I said above, this was the exact same performance on the demo set at magnolia..... not a break in issue. The calibration is the only other scenario that I can’t test yet.
Ok, well use this for something which is very good with patterns:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...libration.html

The test patterns (it's not calibration by definition, unless you have a meter!) are the first and only scenario that should be tested. Not the last. After your break-in period.

The demo set in a shop is not a good comparison at all. It may have any number of other faults. Slight frustration since it's not at all clear that you realise you are wasting your own time with these tests before your set has settled in.
  1. Do you fully understand that your set, after its break-in period regardless of how it looks now, could settle down to perfect black levels at brightness 50/contrast 85 in SDR mode?
  2. Do you fully understand that it's completely pointless making either any adjustments or any assessment of its black levels now, before you have done the 100-200hrs break-in period?

Please, we just need you to confirm "yes" to both questions otherwise we are all just going round and round in circles.
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I will check the settings on the lg when I get home but I have kept most of the default settings besides motion and brightness. I have changed most of the settings when trying to resolve the issue but did not keep any of the changes. The Oppo is set to auto on most video settings. There is not much control allowed with Dolby Vision on the Oppo.


Actually you can force hdr on the oppo if I recall , not sure of the exact procedure but it can be done .

Found these directions on another site :

1) Set HDR FORCED

2) Set Standby Mode ENERGY EFFICIENT.

3) Turn the player Off and back On again.

4) Play the disc.

To return to normal, set HDR AUTO and power cycle the player again.

Not ideal but a work around for now.



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Actually you can force hdr on the oppo if I recall , not sure of the exact procedure but it can be done .

Found these directions on another site :

1) Set HDR FORCED

2) Set Standby Mode ENERGY EFFICIENT.

3) Turn the player Off and back On again.

4) Play the disc.

To return to normal, set HDR AUTO and power cycle the player again.

Not ideal but a work around for now.



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Thank you!


Do me a favor check both the firmware version on your oppo
And on the 77” and post them here . Also a factory reset of both the oppo and the lg might not be a bad idea .


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Ok, well use this for something which is very good with patterns:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...libration.html

The test patterns (it's not calibration by definition, unless you have a meter!) are the first and only scenario that should be tested. Not the last. After your break-in period.

The demo set in a shop is not a good comparison at all. It may have any number of other faults. Slight frustration since it's not at all clear that you realise you are wasting your own time with these tests before your set has settled in.
  1. Do you fully understand that your set, after its break-in period regardless of how it looks now, could settle down to perfect black levels at brightness 50/contrast 85 in SDR mode?
  2. Do you fully understand that it's completely pointless making either any adjustments or any assessment of its black levels now, before you have done the 100-200hrs break-in period?

Please, we just need you to confirm "yes" to both questions otherwise we are all just going round and round in circles.
The demo set I was able to view with lights off and full control over picture settings. I understand your stance on break in and I will do that. I just want to make sure I want to keep this set. This is not my primary tv and 200 hours may take me out of my return window.
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So happy I rolled back to .15. My picture is vibrant again. Blacks are perfect but more important the near blacks are not mud anymore and this is with gamma at BT.1886. No way I am updating the firmware until multiple reports on various panels say the next version(s) are good.
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Thanks for the string of responses.
Yes I am trying to have Verizon fix their box.
Yes it seems to be an issue with the mini and not the VMS but the problem was the Mini was not working properly on my other TV which is why they made the switch. The other TV is an old, non HD set and my guess it the issue there may be related - its not outputting 480i properly and the old TV cant consume that.
Yes I did get into the hidden menu as you suggested - I saw a lot of menus that showed settings which I didnt really understand, but also they were not mostly changeable, it was just a report of box settings. But it was very technical and I didnt see anything relevant - unless I didnt do it properly? Any ideas what I should search for and under which of those hidden menu submenus?

Separately though, while I am working with Verizon on addressing this (as you can imagine, this will probably take some time), does anyone have advice on my settings questions? Im just trying to figure out which of the Technicolor, Cinema or Cinema Home I should be using and what settings I should be tweaking them to, given they are HDR Picture Modes but I am viewing non HDR content?

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First, I don't think SDR being misread as HDR will ever look right, so choose whichever mode looks best to you. Since this is an SDR/HDR mismatch, there's not much point in trying to tweak anything.

As far as what to try on the IPC4100/Mini hidden menu, try setting it to 1080p or 1080i, then cold boot the box (unplug it). Also try changing it to RGB instead of YCbCr 4:4:4 and see if that works. Here's the manual for the IPC: https://fccid.io/ACQ-IPC4100/User-Ma...Manual-3930446

The way I read this, you have the VMS4100 on an old TV because only that box has a Composite output and that is why you can't switch boxes to solve the issue on the C8. If nothing else works, you can switch boxes by adding this $4 adapter to your IPC4100 and connect it to your 480i TV until Verizon comes up with a fix for the IPC HDR issue. https://www.verizon.com/home/accesso...cable-adapter/
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So happy I rolled back to .15. My picture is vibrant again. Blacks are perfect but more important the near blacks are not mud anymore and this is with gamma at BT.1886. No way I am updating the firmware until multiple reports on various panels say the next version(s) are good.


I want everyone to acknowledge here that not everyone is negatively impacted , in fact some sets were improved by the software update . These absolute my experience is everyone’s experience benefit no one imo


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^I know I havent...loving mine since day 1, now to wait for a certain movie that made 1.2 billion in 5 days to come out in 4k blu ray😉
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^I know I havent...loving mine since day 1, now to wait for a certain movie that made 1.2 billion in 5 days to come out in 4k blu ray


If it’s the one I am thinking of I have it preordered


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Do me a favor check both the firmware version on your oppo
And on the 77” and post them here . Also a factory reset of both the oppo and the lg might not be a bad idea .


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The fw on the Oppo is UDP20x-65-0131 and the OLED is 04.10.15
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I was wondering how metadata affects the tonemapping of the C8 I so I ran some tests.

With a MDL (mastering display luminance) of 4000, the higher MaxCLL (maximum content light level) is the smoother it will roll off above ~500 nits.
MaxCLL has an effect from 1000 to 4000, above or below that there is no change.



With 1000 nits MDL, different MaxCLL values don't seem to make a difference. It always uses the same tonemapping curve as with MDL 4000/MaxCLL 1000.

I only tested 1000 and 4000 mastering display luminance as that's what pretty much all movies use.
This was done with the technicolor preset at default settings (dynamic tonemapping off).

While this isn't some new discovery, I just haven't seen any specifics or measurements about this so I thought I'd share.
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I’m using the Oppo 203 wth the latest firmware update. I did some experimenting this morning and found that HDR 10 (with and without dynamic tone mapping) and SDR work flawlessly. Dolby Vision on my ATV Netflix had some black bar noise with brightness of 50 but resolved at 49. DV on the Oppo must be at 45 brightness to not show a gray black screen. I’m fairly confused at this point


That's weird...I have the same setup but not the same issues. I did at one time have to tweak my hdr settings, but did so through ddc controls were I lowered 1.7 (I think was the lowest setting) down several clicks of blue.


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I was watching GOT and noticed a stuck or dead pixel on the right side. I was watching almost a day and only noticed it on GOT because mostly black or dark scenes and my eyes were drawn to it. I have not noticed it before, I think it only appeared today, I have the TV for almost 4 weeks..

Should I do a pixel refresher or leave it as is at the moment since it will do automatic pixel refresher as I watched straight for more than 4 hours?
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Do you have tru motion off also? motion pro is bfi
Sorry, yes, I meant I have tru motion off...

I have Tru Motion off and I am still seeing a little "Soap Opera Effect" on panning and people moving. Could there be any other processing going on besides Motion Pro that would cause SOE?

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The fw on the Oppo is UDP20x-65-0131 and the OLED is 04.10.15


Try a factory Reset on both the lg and the oppo.


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Sorry, yes, I meant I have tru motion off...



I have Tru Motion off and I am still seeing a little "Soap Opera Effect" on panning and people moving. Could there be any other processing going on besides Motion Pro that would cause SOE?


Not that I know of , what is the source ?


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Sorry, yes, I meant I have tru motion off...

I have Tru Motion off and I am still seeing a little "Soap Opera Effect" on panning and people moving. Could there be any other processing going on besides Motion Pro that would cause SOE?

Noise reduction adds a sort of motion smoothing as well.
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Awesome work, sir! Thankyou so much for sharing!
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Ya, that's big cash..... It was a almost 3 hour movie......
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it went by quickly.....going to see it again this week only in IMAX.
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it's recommended after a update to "reset to initial setup" full reset ?


i always to this ......but i think is not worth the effort



my idea is tu unplug the tv from the electrical outlet for 5 min after each update


what do you think ?


what are you recommendation ?


on lg site is this doc that does not provide anything



https://www.lg.com/uk/support/suppor...lg-OLED55C8PLA
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it's recommended after a update to "reset to initial setup" full reset ?


i always to this ......but i think is not worth the effort



my idea is tu unplug the tv from the electrical outlet for 5 min after each update


what do you think ?


what are you recommendation ?


on lg site is this doc that does not provide anything



https://www.lg.com/uk/support/suppor...lg-OLED55C8PLA
I hadn't heard that a reset to initial was suggested.....and after having accidentally done a full reset to initial, I would never ever do that again. Luckily I had all my settings written down!!! I personally do not do this and I haven't had any negative effects, but do whatever works for you. If you get better experiences from this, then keep doing it.
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What movie was that? .................................................. .........................................Just kidding! Yeah, me too.
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How was the last episode of GOT on the last firmware? I didn't upgrade (downgraded to 04.10.15) and it was almost unwatchable with tones of flashing, blockiness and banding, worst yet.

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it's recommended after a update to "reset to initial setup" full reset ?
No, it is not recommended or required to ever do that, unless you are trying to solve a very specific problem.

After an update you don't need to do anything other than restart the TV (which is part of the update). You can power-cycle the TV if you like.
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How was the last episode of GOT on the last firmware? I didn't upgrade (downgraded to 04.10.15) and it was almost unwatchable with tones of flashing, blockiness and banding, worst yet.
I am on the "beta" fw .50 and I had to turn all the lights in my house off, and I had to raise my OLED backlighting, but once I did this, I enjoyed the episode. I am on Xfinity HD cable, and once I did the previous mentioned steps, I was able to see everything with no flashing, macroblocking or banding.....the blacks were very pure deep blacks, and any scene with flames was vibrant, but I think the episode was way to dark. I am not used to having to turn off all the lights in my house. Also, after the episode, when they showed the previews, I thought I was going to go blind with how bright it was...I was like where are my sunglasses.

On the other hand, a friend of mine watched it on Direct TV, same tv I have, and he said it was almost unwatchable, banding, flashing macroblocking. He had to check Netflix just to make sure it wasn't his TV. I guess the compression between the two broadcasts was that different. I really think they did a disservice with making that episode so dark, even if it was intentional. Hopefully the fix this when the Blu Rays come out.

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I'm on Bell Fibe also but fw .31, black scenes are good in mine. For GOT, pq is better of the recorded one than during its airing

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Would you mind posting your picture setting? Almost all of the dark scenes in GOT have been a mess for me with last nights episode being the worst by far. Maybe upgrading the firmware will help as i'm on .15 , I'm just scared of the black crush a lot of users experience.


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How was the last episode of GOT on the last firmware? I didn't upgrade (downgraded to 04.10.15) and it was almost unwatchable with tones of flashing, blockiness and banding, worst yet.

Last nights episode for me was border line unwatchable as well with the same picture anomalies you described. Very frustrating when you know how good the picture quality can be on the C8.
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