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Hello, where can I download version 15? I can not find it on the LG page.
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I think the consensus is almost everyone found the latest episode to be too dark regardless of tv technology, as stated above all most all of this can be attributed to compression artifacts and the mastering . It was not good on dtv but I sort of expected that, will be watching again on hbo go , I expect an improved experience .

I hear there were even people on Good Morning America complaining about the overall darkeness of the episode.

Here’s a good example right here: plasma owner and a q8 qled owner complaining about the same thing :

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The difference between HBO Go (very good) and DTV (mediocre) for GOT was huge for me. Given how this episode and a number of other scenes have been shot, GOT should look a lot better when the 4k Ultra disk comes out. This past episode was a torture test for any display.
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The difference between HBO Go (very good) and DTV (mediocre) for GOT was huge for me. Given how this episode and a number of other scenes have been shot, GOT should look a lot better when the 4k Ultra disk comes out. This past episode was a torture test for any display.


Agreed I am rewatching on hbo go tonight . I can’t wait for the 4K Blu-ray’s .


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I just skipped through episode 3 (Amazon 1080P version) on my monitor and I have rarely seen so much color banding and posterization in content that has a bitrate of 10000 kb/s. The encoding of this is terrible, not even gonna bother to throw this on the Oled.

I don't even wanna know how the DTV version looks, as people say it's even worse...
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Hello from Germany,


I am using a OLED65E8LLA produced in February 2019 with Firmware 04.10.55. GoT Season 1 UHD HDR+DV played with a Oppo 203 looks stunning. No problems so far, fingers crossed. My personal opinion indicates to what some of you stated a couple of times, you do need proper material to get a reference like pictire qualitiy. Over here, streaming with Amazon works fine. 1080p already looks very good. Streaming The Commuter in UHD HDR is on another level. I also love Black Panther UHD HDR+DV. I am using the Dynamic Contrast at HIGH with DV, as it brightens up the look to my taste.


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I rewatched last GoT episode in vivid mode

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^^ What nits did your TV output to achieve this?
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Watching last nights episode all I could think was man this would look awesome in HDR. I had to watch it in a dark room to be able to make out the extremely dark scenes. I saw this morning the interweb was littered with complaints of very dark cinematography. It must have been pretty much unwatchable in a lit room.
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Watching last nights episode all I could think was man this would look awesome in HDR. I had to watch it in a dark room to be able to make out the extremely dark scenes. I saw this morning the interweb was littered with complaints of very dark cinematography. It must have been pretty much unwatchable in a lit room.
It was the first time I have had to turn off all the lights in my house....and I turned up the OLED backlighting. It looked good, but was way dark, and I am sure it would look really good in HDR!! You are right about that!!
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2018 LG C8-E8 Owners' Thread (No Price Talk)

Was playing my ps4 last night and noticed a green dot got stuck. I ran the pixel refresh when I went to bed and it seems to have cleared it when I checked this morning. Is this a common issue? The tv is barely two months old. This is the first time I’ve ran the pixel refresh.


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GoT flashing Report: Prior espisodes were pretty darn good. But regret that I did see a lot of flashing in the sky during the early scenes leading up to the (SPOILERS, though I'll try to be vague). . . first charge of the cavalry.

After that, it seemed better.

.31 didn't get all the flashing, alas. =(
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I am 100% convinced that the GoT issues are provider issues (streaming, cable provider, location in the country effecting the stream, etc) and less the TV. Yes the show is dark but streaming sucks on hbo, I don't agree that it is the fault of the creators of the show in anyway. If HBO would improve its streaming service and if the cable providers wouldn't keep skimping on bandwidth for HD channels this wouldn't be an issue. If you feed crap to the tv it will show it that way.

Saying that, I watched it on HBONow on a 4k AppleTV and the only scene that had any problems was the library scene with Arya sneaking around the stacks. The darkness in there was not pretty. I'm still on the .15 firmware and have never seen flashing (and didn't during GoT last night either).
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Last night's episode of Game of Thrones is reason #249 why I love my OLED. I've never seen such high quality in dark scenes. By that, I mean it looks like it was filmed to be as realistic as possible. No enhanced lighting. And I love it! There were a few scenes of chroma overshoot, but with the old firmware this episode would have been unwatchable.
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Last night's episode of Game of Thrones is reason #249 why I love my OLED. I've never seen such high quality in dark scenes. By that, I mean it looks like it was filmed to be as realistic as possible. No enhanced lighting. And I love it! There were a few scenes of chroma overshoot, but with the old firmware this episode would have been unwatchable.

Was the opposite for me lol. Out of the three episodes so far they have been 99% good with only a couple of scenes with flashing. Last night there was so much flashing that it ruined quite a few scenes for me. I am using the older firmware though without the flashing update so im sure that doesn't help but it still quite frustrating for me in such an intense episode.
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Last night's episode of Game of Thrones is reason #249 why I love my OLED. I've never seen such high quality in dark scenes. By that, I mean it looks like it was filmed to be as realistic as possible. No enhanced lighting. And I love it! There were a few scenes of chroma overshoot, but with the old firmware this episode would have been unwatchable.

Was the opposite for me lol. Out of the three episodes so far they have been 99% good with only a couple of scenes with flashing. Last night there was so much flashing that it ruined quite a few scenes for me. I am using the older firmware though without the flashing update so im sure that doesn't help but it still quite frustrating for me in such an intense episode.
I would've hated watching it on .15. You need to update your set 😉
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I just watched parts of it again. I do not mind the low lighting, this is where the OLED shines. Most issues are with the sky background. I think mainly streaming quality issues and it was a bit flat (some dark parts could be more black). Detail on static dark parts like clothing was good. On 4k uhd this would look great.
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I would've hated watching it on .15. You need to update your set 😉

Wasn't bad at all with .15 in a dark room and a bias light. Too dark fer sure in most scenes but that was the only issue I could see.

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^just got done watching the episode for the 3rd time, on three different sets, 940e and C8 performed very well while my q8 struggled big time. My C8 handled that episode quite well for all those torture scenes.
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I would've hated watching it on .15. You need to update your set 😉
It's not so cut and cry. I still get flashing on .31 and the newest as well.

This is using both default ISF and your adjustments (which I appreciate, it helps the black crush for SDR a little)

I'm starting to think I just got bad luck in the lottery though :/
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I got an improved schedule from my wife for watching GOT episode 3 this afternoon. My source was HBO Go on my Apple TV 4k.

My calibrated 4.10.55 C8 did an excellent job. I did not notice macro blocking, maybe I was concentrating on the story. The scenes were dark, but the detail was there. I use a very low bias light.

I need to complain about the very low sound level again with the Apple TV 4k. Maybe I will try the Fire TV 4k for the next viewing.

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I got an improved schedule from my wife for watching GOT episode 3 this afternoon. My source was HBO Go on my Apple TV 4k.



My calibrated 4.10.55 C8 did an excellent job. I did not notice macro blocking, maybe I was concentrating on the story. The scenes were dark, but the detail was there. I use a very low bias light.



I need to complain about the very low sound level again with the Apple TV 4k. Maybe I will try the Fire TV 4k for the next viewing.



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I am 100% convinced that the GoT issues are provider issues (streaming, cable provider, location in the country effecting the stream, etc) and less the TV. Yes the show is dark but streaming sucks on hbo, I don't agree that it is the fault of the creators of the show in anyway. If HBO would improve its streaming service and if the cable providers wouldn't keep skimping on bandwidth for HD channels this wouldn't be an issue. If you feed crap to the tv it will show it that way.

Saying that, I watched it on HBONow on a 4k AppleTV and the only scene that had any problems was the library scene with Arya sneaking around the stacks. The darkness in there was not pretty. I'm still on the .15 firmware and have never seen flashing (and didn't during GoT last night either).
There were definitely plenty of reasons to complain about the picture and streaming quality last night aside from any flashing issues.
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@Jrocker23 : I am glad you're staying on topic. There is nothing more than what you've GOT...... Maybe we need a FAQing thread for GOT!
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Any reason to upgrade from 03.01.10?

Hey my C8 bros, so I've been out of the loop for a while after getting a professional monitor for serious stuff and relegated this OLED for casual viewing only. It's still rocking the old Korean 03.01.10 firmware. Is there anything actually good about subsequent firmwares that I should be aware of, or am I better off staying with this one?
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I think the consensus is almost everyone found the latest episode to be too dark regardless of tv technology, as stated above all most all of this can be attributed to compression artifacts and the mastering . It was not good on dtv but I sort of expected that, will be watching again on hbo go , I expect an improved experience .
Woah, I don't include myself in your "consensus". It was dark because it was supposed to be dark.

One guy over on another thread claims the sky "should" have looked full black and he's moaning that it wasn't (we had to explain to him that he wasn't the colourist who mastered it so doesn't get to say what it "should" have looked like). So for him, it wasn't dark enough!

I didn't think it was "too" dark, for me it was just right, but that it just me. Such a very dark "look" is challenging for every TV (plasma, LCD, OLED) alike, and always gets the masses complaining (it happened on the BBC's last series of "Luther" the other month too).

The difference I think now, is that it was (a) massively anticipated, and everyone watched it in a short period, (b) 90 minutes of darkness. Not just a few scenes but the entire thing. That really brings the issue into focus, if you'll pardon the pun!
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I find some of the hysteria here rather comical , I have seen complaints by numerous people with both lcd, plasmas and OLED. Anyone that thinks there is some magic bullet for compression and poor mastering is in for a disappointment imo .
I've got a nice idea to solve the compression problem - let's all go back to analogue! . Remember the days of fully uncompressed TV? The picture quality of 1990s TV is probably the peak (for SDR, at SD res). And Japan had an analogue HD 16:9 TV system... we should have savoured it while we had the chance...

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it went by quickly.....going to see it again this week only in IMAX.
Ya, that may be worth going to the theater for Well on a Tuesday anyway
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Woah, I don't include myself in your "consensus". It was dark because it was supposed to be dark.



One guy over on another thread claims the sky "should" have looked full black and he's moaning that it wasn't (we had to explain to him that he wasn't the colourist who mastered it so doesn't get to say what it "should" have looked like). So for him, it wasn't dark enough!



I didn't think it was "too" dark, for me it was just right, but that it just me. Such a very dark "look" is challenging for every TV (plasma, LCD, OLED) alike, and always gets the masses complaining (it happened on the BBC's last series of "Luther" the other month too).



The difference I think now, is that it was (a) massively anticipated, and everyone watched it in a short period, (b) 90 minutes of darkness. Not just a few scenes but the entire thing. That really brings the issue into focus, if you'll pardon the pun!


I was more referring to the social media posts etc , certainly didn’t mean everyone. After rewatching on hbo go I have revised my opinion a bit. Much much better experience very minimal artifacts .


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I've owned the C8 since around New Years, only recently have I been struck with the flashing/macroblocking bug. Last night's GoT was pretty much unwatchable for large sections with the worse noise I've ever seen on a display (through both DTV and HBO Go). This was on firmware 04.10.05.

I upgraded to 04.10.15 after the show and then came here to catch up on the last few months. I see there has been a .31 and now a .55 update, however, my TV won't pull down any update newer than the .15. I assume I'm forced to do a manual update with a USB stick?

I'm reluctant to update past 04.10.15 due to the potential black crush issues, but the flashing/macroblocking problem is so bad that it's really ruining the TV for me.
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