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Good morning


I really hate to ask this but it's been bugging me for some time so I am just going to. Can someone recommend a scene or test or something I can do to see if my TV suffers from Black Crush? I know it's not something one wants to find out, but I just want to know. I've been curious about it for awhile. I just really don't know a way to go about testing for it.

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I did a calibration on .55 and overall more pleased than on .15. Tv was reset to defaults after update anyway. GOT s08e03 looked good as well with no too dark scenes observed (other than what director said that shooting it dark was intentional)


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Was this a full calibration (calman)? I think I am still leaning towards the next firmware that was hinted would contain a gamma fix before I leave .15


I downloaded all of the test files that are mentioned earlier in the forum and my set looks very good on the test files. Pluge is dead on at 50 brightness. If I click 1 step up or down its totally wrong. Gamma is on BT.1886 and shadow detail is great. All the steps in the multi step greyscale are distinct. Now of course I am sure that a technical calibration would find errors in grey scale steps that could be made better, but 90% of our viewing is just regular OTA TV. Only 4K I use is Netflix and Amazon.
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Applying calibration settings (achieved with a colorimeter) derived from another panel to yours may make your issue worse because of component tolerance differences. Every panel responds differently. Besides, all you would be doing is adjusting your panel to the other one.

The only reason for a professional calibration done with a colorimeter on your own panel is to achieve as much accuracy as possible. ANY other ad hoc adjustments done without a colorimeter om your own panel is a crap shoot for accuracy. That includes using a "calibration" disc such as WOW or AHS 709 or even just following RTings.com calibration suggestions. Even simply using RTings.com suggested Gamma setting alone would be no different than using any other properly calibrated suggestion from someone here on AVS Forums. It is still ad hoc and still a crap shoot.
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The only reason for a professional calibration done with a colorimeter on your own panel is to achieve as much accuracy as possible. ANY other ad hoc adjustments done without a colorimeter om your own panel is a crap shoot for accuracy. That includes using a "calibration" disc such as WOW or AHS 709 or even just following RTings.com calibration suggestions. Even simply using RTings.com suggested Gamma setting alone would be no different than using any other properly calibrated suggestion from someone here on AVS Forums. It is still ad hoc and still a crap shoot.
Isn't that sort of what I just said? I didn't use the term "crap shoot" but that's a fairly accurate assessment.

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Was this a full calibration (calman)? I think I am still leaning towards the next firmware that was hinted would contain a gamma fix before I leave .15


I downloaded all of the test files that are mentioned earlier in the forum and my set looks very good on the test files. Pluge is dead on at 50 brightness. If I click 1 step up or down its totally wrong. Gamma is on BT.1886 and shadow detail is great. All the steps in the multi step greyscale are distinct. Now of course I am sure that a technical calibration would find errors in grey scale steps that could be made better, but 90% of our viewing is just regular OTA TV. Only 4K I use is Netflix and Amazon.


Okay. Maybe I didn’t use the right words. Adjustment (using test patterns) rather than proper calibration like with Calman or others. :-)


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Isn't that sort of what I just said? I

No you didn't say that at all. What you said was the pro forma for this site precautionary BS that plugging in another panel's calibration settings to your own panel could be practically destructive to your panel.

[quote]"Applying calibration settings (achieved with a colorimeter) derived from another panel to yours may make your issue worse because of component tolerance differences."[unquote]



Making crap shoot adjustments to picture settings even to the white balance that LG has made possible for the average user to do is not the same thing as going into the Service Menu with a special remote control unit and blindly altering engineering settings. The latter could indeed be destructive but not the former. Your standard precaution against using another panel's calibration adjustments in the user menu is wrong because while such may not achieve accuracy they also will not brick your LG. Any implication otherwise merely sets off so many newbies on this thread to become neurotic about using the FAQing user menu.

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I really hate to ask this but it's been bugging me for some time so I am just going to. Can someone recommend a scene or test or something I can do to see if my TV suffers from Black Crush? I know it's not something one wants to find out, but I just want to know. I've been curious about it for awhile. I just really don't know a way to go about testing for it.

Thank you.
Just purchased a 55” B8 and would love to have a way of testing for black crush as well (particularly during Best Buy’s return window). Can black crush be fixed via any settings adjustments without messing up other things, or is the gamma fix firmware update everyone is waiting for the only true fix? Thanks for any info. FYI got Best Buy to price match NewEgg's price of $1069. A steal assuming the black crush can/will be fixed.
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Just purchased a 55” B8 and would love to have a way of testing for black crush as well (particularly during Best Buy’s return window). Can black crush be fixed via any settings adjustments without messing up other things, or is the gamma fix firmware update everyone is waiting for the only true fix? Thanks for any info. FYI got Best Buy to price match NewEgg's price of $1069. A steal assuming the black crush can/will be fixed.
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[quote=RBO;57993410]No you didn't say that at all. What you said was the pro forma for this site precautionary BS that plugging in another panel's calibration settings to your own panel could be practically destructive to your panel.

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"Applying calibration settings (achieved with a colorimeter) derived from another panel to yours may make your issue worse because of component tolerance differences."[unquote]



Making crap shoot adjustments to picture settings even to the white balance that LG has made possible for the average user to do is not the same thing as going into the Service Menu with a special remote control unit and blindly altering engineering settings. The latter could indeed be destructive but not the former. Your standard precaution against using another panel's calibration adjustments in the user menu is wrong because while such may not achieve accuracy they also will not brick your LG. Any implication otherwise merely sets off so many newbies on this thread to become neurotic about using the FAQing user menu.
Huh I said no such thing. Nothing was mentioned at all about "destruction" to a panel or using the Service Menu with the possibility of bricking the tv. Using someone else's calibration settings may or may not work due to component tolerance differences. It certainly can't damage the tv but you may not get the results you expect.

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I really hate to ask this but it's been bugging me for some time so I am just going to. Can someone recommend a scene or test or something I can do to see if my TV suffers from Black Crush? I know it's not something one wants to find out, but I just want to know. I've been curious about it for awhile. I just really don't know a way to go about testing for it.

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Was there ever a firmware version that had zero black crush issues? I've seen questionable youtubers criticizing black crush on OLEDs, but always assumed they were using bad presets/settings or running a firmware with known issues. RTINGS suggests starting with a gamma setting of 1.9 if you are noticing black crush, but are the current firmware’s problems with black crush more complicated than simply setting gamma to 1.9 as a starting point? Thanks, and sorry for the price talk.
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There's usually a trade-off between black crush and near-black artifacts on OLED. Some panels are better than others. If you're happy with your display, don't go looking for problems. If you start seeing artifacts, your blood pressure might start rising.
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Was there ever a firmware version that had zero black crush issues? I've seen questionable youtubers criticizing black crush on OLEDs, but always assumed they were using bad presets/settings or running a firmware with known issues. RTINGS suggests starting with a gamma setting of 1.9 if you are noticing black crush, but are the current firmware’s problems with black crush more complicated than simply setting gamma to 1.9 as a starting point? Thanks, and sorry for the price talk.
Could you please link the RTINGS suggestions you're referring to?
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I know, it's not the best thing to know. But I would like to know.
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New to LG C8. Is there any setting where one can choose Input1 to be either HMDI 1.4 or HDMI 2.0 compatible ... for EDID handshaking purposes? Can't find it. This can be done with JVC projector and RMC-1 audio processor. Thx.
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New to LG C8. Is there any setting where one can choose Input1 to be either HMDI 1.4 or HDMI 2.0 compatible ... for EDID handshaking purposes? Can't find it. This can be done with JVC projector and RMC-1 audio processor. Thx.


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Just purchased a 55” B8 and would love to have a way of testing for black crush as well (particularly during Best Buy’s return window). Can black crush be fixed via any settings adjustments without messing up other things, or is the gamma fix firmware update everyone is waiting for the only true fix? Thanks for any info. FYI got Best Buy to price match NewEgg's price of $1069. A steal assuming the black crush can/will be fixed.


The current issue is a firmware malfunction and should be fixed hopefully in the upcoming weeks. In the meantime you can alter the lower ire settings in the advanced picture settings


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Just purchased a 55” B8...
There is a separate thread for the 2018 LG B8 series, not sure if any firmware, tweaks, etc... for the C8-E8 series are applicable to B8 series.

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Your standard precaution against using another panel's calibration adjustments in the user menu is wrong because while such may not achieve accuracy they also will not brick your LG. Any implication otherwise merely sets off so many newbies on this thread to become neurotic about using the FAQing user menu.
I'm quietly pleased to see my FAQing adjective taking hold.

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is the amazonprime connection worth exchanging tv over? My buddy is exchanging his 65C8 for another 65 C8 because of trouble connecting with Prime. Has this issue been resolved. IMO exchanging the tv will not 'fix' the problem.
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Sometimes the many pieces of equipment in the video signal path don't sync up (blank screen) due to EDID and HDCP handshaking incompatibilities. Sometimes this has to do with new versus older equipment. Forcing LG's input to HDMI 1.4 makes it easier for older equipment to sync up with LG C8 (new equipment) ... older equipment usually has HDMI 1.4 connectors or older.
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It's a video ..

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About the FAQ.

People ask how to find it (the FAQ). People say to use "search". Sorry, but here you can't search for a three letter word. Too short.

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is the amazonprime connection worth exchanging tv over? My buddy is exchanging his 65C8 for another 65 C8 because of trouble connecting with Prime. Has this issue been resolved. IMO exchanging the tv will not 'fix' the problem.
No problem with it here, nor has there ever been. To answer your question; no - exchanging the TV won't fix "it".
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Never heard of it. It's far more likely to be an issue with his router/ISP/Wifi/etc/lots of other things than the hardware of the TV.
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