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1/3rd is exactly where my eye level is and I find it to be PERFECT!

Quite frankly, I've been in homes where they have a nice display mounted above the fireplace and after "cranking my head back" for 15 minutes or so I get a "kink in my neck."

Same here. I've never been a fan of fireplace or wall mounted tv's for various reasons. Looks nice in a model home but it's not practical for us. At 10' on the couch, eye level is almost dead center (maybe a bit lower) which works very well for us.
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About the black crush that people often mention when they don't see 17 (or full Range 1) on a black clipping pattern:

Do you even realize how insanely dark 0.0003 nits is? Because that's what the target for limited range 17 is when using gamma 2.4 and 120 nits peak. That's like 1/100 the brightness of a 3% slide which already is very very dark.
In the past I was also always trying to get 17 to show up on those flashing bars test pattern but all this has gotten me was often seeing elevated blacks in movies...
I wouldn't be surprised if most people have their <1% way too bright.

I think the best way to test if it's crushed or not is to look at a 0.5% (17) and 1% (18) fullscreen pattern in a pitch dark room. There should only be some faint glow.
This is such a good post it is worth quoting again. Very true. Even if 17 isn't visible, it's better to leave it that way rather than elevating the black level above the 0 nit BL capability of the display just to see 17. And 0.0003 nits is about what my tweaked Kuro KRP500M black level is and that can only be seen in a completely dark room after my eyes adjusted. I think too many of us (even those with sw/meters) think that blacks are crushed because they can see additional dark details in video when raising brightness or 5% luminance, but in most cases either the room is too bright, or those are below black details that the camera picks up that are not meant to be seen.
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I find too bright 0.5%-1% to be much more of a problem than having it slightly crushed/clipped because it will make scenes like this look terrible when watching in a dark room
Yes, and even raising raising 2%-5% too far can cause the image to look flat.
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Is the color gamut still locked to wide in game mode in FW 05.10.00?
Yes, it's locked to wide in SDR mode. In HDR color gamut in game mode let's you select any of the 3 options

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No, color gamut in game mode let's you select any of the 3 options

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That's not the case in my experience. 24p looks fantastic without any of the issues you allude to. In fact, my LG LCD downstairs looks great as well with 24p content. TruMotion is disabled on both. No fluctuating brightness issues, flashing or crushing. Sounds like it's time for you to move on to LED. I hear Samsung makes some very nice LED sets. Sorry to hear you got a lemon.
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My apologies, it is locked in SDR mode. I was in hdr mode when I checked..

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My apologies, it is locked in SDR mode. I was in hdr mode when I checked..

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That's not the case in my experience. 24p looks fantastic without any of the issues you allude to. In fact, my LG LCD downstairs looks great as well with 24p content. TruMotion is disabled on both. No fluctuating brightness issues, flashing or crushing. Sounds like it's time for you to move on to LED. I hear Samsung makes some very nice LED sets. Sorry to hear you got a lemon.
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Same for me. I have not experience any of those issues on my set either

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Add me to the list! Granted, I had to so some minor tweaking in the gamma settings (5% IRE Luminance to +12) to counteract "black crush," but I have never had the issues listed by sorinelionut.

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^^ Can always tilt it down to remove that fireplace height effect issue.
Still get heat damage from the fire below. There are many many reasons why it's a bad idea
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That's not TOO BAD, as long as there's no neck or back pain involved.

Again, with those who mount their displays ABOVE a fireplace, if it's an LCD not only will there be neck/back issues, but there will be serious viewing problems in most cases, for we know that the colors and brightness of an LCD will "wash out" as one gravitates too far from center. This is not only true of going too far "to one side," but also too far "above." I have seen many LCD displays at B&M stores mounted way too high and it was indeed "washed out" (you especially notice it if another display is mounted right below it.

Of course, this is a moot point for this thread, for OLED owners are blessed with a beautiful display that has no issues with "viewing angles."
had a friend who had his tv over fireplace , slightly angled downward , but always left with a stiff sore neck . Hated watching TV at his house .
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had a friend who had his tv over fireplace , slightly angled downward , but always left with a stiff sore neck . Hated watching TV at his house .
Your use of the past tense - did it affect your friendship that much ? If you're still in touch I'd be interested to know if he now has long-term neck issues and regrets it. Among my circle of friends, one has chosen a house without a fireplace in favour of a house with one, specifically for TV placement reasons. Another has removed a fireplace so that the TV can go where it SHOULD go at the proper height. And the first one has recently moved again, to a house with a fireplace, and guess what's getting ripped out soon
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Your use of the past tense - did it affect your friendship that much ? If you're still in touch I'd be interested to know if he now has long-term neck issues and regrets it. Among my circle of friends, one has chosen a house without a fireplace in favour of a house with one, specifically for TV placement reasons. Another has removed a fireplace so that the TV can go where it SHOULD go at the proper height. And the first one has recently moved again, to a house with a fireplace, and guess what's getting ripped out soon
He moved to a place without a fireplace , and has his tv on a stand now. It did bother his neck a lot at previous place . I just been over a couple of times to watch tv since he moved into his new place. He grudgingly admits tv over fireplace was not a great idea. But yeah after a couple times at his previous place I was not going there anymore more to watch a movie or football. Tv was too high up.
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He moved to a place without a fireplace , and has his tv on a stand now. It did bother his neck a lot at previous place . I just been over a couple of times to watch tv since he moved into his new place. He grudgingly admits tv over fireplace was not a great idea. But yeah after a couple times at his previous place I was not going there anymore more to watch a movie or football. Tv was too high up.
I agree. Mine is mounted above the fireplace downstairs... and yes, it hurts my neck after long periods. I bought a new couch to help with that.
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I agree. Mine is mounted above the fireplace downstairs... and yes, it hurts my neck after long periods. I bought a new couch to help with that.
So, does your new couch have a lift on it?
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Still get heat damage from the fire below. There are many many reasons why it's a bad idea

Agreed, but this is for people who have installed it higher than usual, w/o fireplaces. Also I'm not sure how many use their fireplaces, I'm probably going to get a load for asking?
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Agreed, but this is for people who have installed it higher than usual, w/o fireplaces. Also I'm not sure how many use their fireplaces, I'm probably going to get a load for asking?
I don't know the answer, but if the fireplace is never used yet you mount the TV above it anyway, without ripping out and get all that neck strain, surely that's even sillier . Just rip it out.
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Agreed, but this is for people who have installed it higher than usual, w/o fireplaces. Also I'm not sure how many use their fireplaces, I'm probably going to get a load for asking?
Never been to Texas so I don't really know, does it cold enough to even want a real fireplace on?

Up here (in the winter) we actually use ours to help heat the house...
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I agree. Mine is mounted above the fireplace downstairs... and yes, it hurts my neck after long periods. I bought a new couch to help with that.
I'm half-considering a dentist's chair to watch TV in. Seems to be the perfect angle, great leg support, fully adjustable, and most comfortable.
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I'm half-considering a dentist's chair to watch TV in. Seems to be the perfect angle, great leg support, fully adjustable, and most comfortable.
I've watched tv in a dentist's chair before, but it was always mounted on the ceiling or near the ceiling facing down. Of course, I also had my teeth cleaned or repaired at the same time!

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I agree. Mine is mounted above the fireplace downstairs... and yes, it hurts my neck after long periods. I bought a new couch to help with that.
There are pull down TV mounts specifically designed for mounting over a fireplace, like this : https://www.mantelmount.com/
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There are pull down TV mounts specifically designed for mounting over a fireplace, like this : https://www.mantelmount.com/
Too much work, I'd rather just hurt my neck.


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My TV is in a L shaped area and it would require a much longer neck to accomplish that then what that website provides.
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Interesting. In HDR and SDR, game mode is locked, along with most options. I assume it's because my C8 was pro calibrated with Calman?
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Never been to Texas so I don't really know, does it cold enough to even want a real fireplace on?

Up here (in the winter) we actually use ours to help heat the house...
Yes, here in Dallas, it can get as low -10 when windchill factors in!!!
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Interesting. In HDR and SDR, game mode is locked, along with most options. I assume it's because my C8 was pro calibrated with Calman?
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Yes, here in Dallas, it can get as low -10 when windchill factors in!!!
Here in Minnesota it can get as low as -40 (or colder!) WITHOUT a windchill factor!!
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On a serious note (since most of my posts today, and that of others, have been on the humorous side), do you think LG will be taking to heart the posts of those who have downloaded the newest FW Update and have reported that the gamma issue has NOT been resolved? In asking this, I am fairly content with the .31 Firmware and the adjustments I've made to gamma settings, but it really would be nice to have a REAL FIX.

I know any response will be pure speculation, but perhaps we'll gain the ear of technicians at LG in continuing to ask for this to be resolved.

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