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[QUOTE=bobkat007;58055798]Can someone here recommend a test UHD Blu-ray disc for a novice without test equipment? I'm looking for content also, maybe where I can compare the affect different modes have on the overall picture being displayed on screen.[/QUOTE


For UHD you might try
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chunon, I didn't mean to insult you and I apologize if I did, brother. And I didn't mean to suggest anyone who accesses the service menu is foolish. I was suggesting that anyone who accesses the service menu who 1. is not fully confident of what they are doing and not used to accessing and navigating service menus, and 2. is accessing the service menu because they cannot wait a few weeks to get firmware that will be released to the public if it is good firmware -- is foolish.



There are indeed some capable people on this forum for whom it will not be an issue. But I think we have seen there are some folks who should not be poking around in there -- despite ample warnings and identification of the risks. And if the only people poking around in the service menu were those folks who met the qualifications set forth above, then there wouldn't be much problem with LG butting beta firmware updates in the service menu.


Okay fair enough , actually I did take one of the beta firmwares so I guess I fit in your “foolish” category , that would include several other people here also . I am really tired of taking about this anyway so peace .


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If people are upset that this was discussed previously on page 172 of a 573 page-long thread and want to tell me that I must be terrible at using the search function. . . so be it. I'm asking anyways. . .



I've been goofing around with Plex. Has anyone else noticed that the Plex app available via the LG Store on the C8 introduces a lot of soap opera effect even when Tru Motion settings on the TV are adjusted. For all other devices and inputs, I find that De-Judder of 2 and De-Blur of 0 (zero) makes for a film-like experience. But for the built-in Plex app, those settings seem to have no effect at all. I have to turn off Tru Motion altogether (and even then it seems overly smooth). Just odd. Anyone else notice this?



I seem to recall somewhere in this thread that some said some settings don't take effect right away. I've tried power cycling the TV, but that's about it on that front.



Any other plex users on this TV notice such things?



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I don’t know much about plex. Its my guess is it has something to do with the frame rate of the material , do you know what the frame rate is ?


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ABSL is burnin protection that IMHO should only be turned off if you are using the TV in professional setting or if you completely understand the risks. For most people with a family that also uses the TV, I would highly suggest that you leave ABSL turned on.




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Some may need to for calibration purposes. I know AutoCal has a frame insertion that gets around ABSL during autocal. But if you wanted to do a meter profile first (i1pro2 to C6 to example), would you need to turn off ABSL to do so?
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Isn't "access" only available through the service menu? Or did I miss something? I wouldn't say LG is at fault for people diving into the service menu to get firmware that is not released to the public in an official update -- but again, maybe I don't understand something.
Yes, the "access" I was referring to is "through the Service Menu." But in LG putting it there, "some" may access it and download the firmware. LG knows of this possibility so why would they put firmware in there which could potentially prove to be harmful? Granted, the masses won't go into the Service Menu, but the small minority who do could download it and end up with bad firmware. This would be their fault (for they knew the risk involved), but the fault also lies at the feet of LG for putting it there before the "Quality Control Process" has been completed.

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Yes, the "access" I was referring to is "through the Service Menu." But in LG putting it there, "some" may access it and download the firmware. LG knows of this possibility so why would they put firmware in there which could potentially prove to be harmful? Granted, the masses won't go into the Service Menu, but the small minority who do could download it and end up with bad firmware. This would be their fault (for they knew the risk involved), but the fault also lies at the feet of LG for putting it there before the "Quality Control Process" has been completed.


End users were never intended to go into this menu, you can’t even activate it unless you have a special remote or a Harmony, since somebody has added that special remote code to it.

Factory menus have always existed but you’re on your own if you mess with anything in there there’s no way to restore any values in there. People have been screwing themselves over in service menus since back in the CRT days. This is a general owners thread and plenty of people that have no idea what they’re doing stumble into this thread, even if they don’t post. Encouraging the average Joe to enter a service menu is a terrible idea.

People have gotten way too flippant about service menus and they never give warnings to general users on what can happen if you screw things up in there because they don’t know what you’re doing.
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Okay fair enough , actually I did take one of the beta firmwares so I guess I fit in your “foolish” category, that would include several other people here also .
I said "and" and not "or" in my list of "qualifications. In other words, one is arguably foolish if they are accessing the SM only to expedite a FW update AND if they really aren't sure what they are doing.

I'll edit my post to make that clear.

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I won't be surprised if the next FW release to the public will be the last for the C8. I'm sure LG is as tired of this incessant should I or shouldn't I FAQing FW as are the C8 owners.
LG are spending their time developing and testing it, not reading this FAQing thread!

You could be right in that they will now turn their attention to any issues that crop up with the 2019 models. However as I mentioned in passing a while back - if it's true that the 2019 models also have the near-black chrominance overshoot as well, and LG continue to refine and improve whatever workaround they implement, we should benefit from that development too.

My suggestion for FAQ text to remove ambiguity and alleviate questions like DrMichaels would be something like:
Q: I'm on firmware earlier than 4.10.15, should I upgrade my firmware?
A: if it's earlier than 4.10.15, then yes definitely. This firmware fixed a very long-standing bug with HDR luminance fluctuations which was present since at least version 3.00.63. You do not want to be on firmware earlier than this. Do not pass go, do not collect £200, upgrade it baby. See the next question for which version to upgrade to, however.

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Versions between 4.10.31-4.10.55 do address dark detail with improved dithering patterns. However they also have a "higher" gamma value for dark details which means "crushed blacks" for many users which can't be fixed accurately very easily.

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End users were never intended to go into this menu, you can’t even activate it unless you have a special remote or a Harmony, since somebody has added that special remote code to it.

Factory menus have always existed but you’re on your own if you mess with anything in there there’s no way to restore any values in there. People have been screwing themselves over in service menus since back in the CRT days. This is a general owners thread and plenty of people that have no idea what they’re doing stumble into this thread, even if they don’t post. Encouraging the average Joe to enter a service menu is a terrible idea.

People have gotten way too flippant about service menus and they never give warnings to general users on what can happen if you screw things up in there because they don’t know what you’re doing.


All due respect , but no one is encouraging anyone to do anything here. I have never given directions or told anyone to go into service menu And most people add appropriate warnings , if someone chooses to disregard that not much we can do about it .


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-snip People have gotten way too flippant about service menus and they never give warnings to general users on what can happen if you screw things up in there because they don’t know what you’re doing.

On this forum maybe there are bunch of smart EEs, SW engineers or people who have a lot of money when they brick the unit!
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People in this thread need to chill. We all have a TV that (nearly) all of us love. And yet after 574 pages, it appears to me that several people are burned out on either this thread, their TV, or both. Together with what more and more seems like a clique of old/grizzled "thread veterans" who now see the arrival of newcomers and honest questions as a distraction from the usual activities in their OLED thread clubhouse.

Maybe take a break? The TV and this thread will still be here when you get back.
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Although I am technical person, my eyes are not technical enough to notice flaws like gamma curve (I don't even know the effect of that with my eyes) so I'll just go with the latest fw. I am on the latest fw and it looks amazing for me on my settings using isf bright (isf dark is too dark for my taste).

So the consensus of which fw is good is whatever looks amazing to our own eyes and satisfied with it.

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Together with what more and more seems like a clique of old/grizzled "thread veterans" who now see the arrival of newcomers and honest questions as a distraction from the usual activities in their OLED thread clubhouse.
I don't think that's a fair characterization at all. Rather, I think a number of us get frustrated with people asking the same questions over and over, when often a review of the last few pages of the thread, or a quick search of the thread, will yield the answer. Some people (even some who have been forum members for years) expect us to do their work for them -- sometimes to answer them WE then have to do a search -- and they don't exercise common courtesy. At the very least, they could do a quick search and then say, "Folks, I did a search and can't seem to find anything helpful. Could someone help me with ______ or point me in the right direction."

It's the constant questions about the same stuff that has been discussed before many times that is readily searchable that diverts the thread from important developments and issues and causes it to comprise hundreds of pages.

And I don't see people here as a "clique" at all. People here are very helpful to newcomers -- provided some common courtesy is exercised.

And last but not least, don't call us "old."
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Personally, I think I'd rather just have the question answered by some folks who aren't burned out on doing so. Rather than having several people blast the person for asking it, have the person asking then respond in kind, and the ensuing go-round, plus now the mentioning of the FAQ (which itself is a source of contention), and then, of course, have people ask where the FAQ is. . .

Getting too bent out of shape about repetitive questions on internet forums is sorta like complaining that water is wet, or that bears continue to use our national forests as restrooms. At some point, it's less disruptive to just accept certain realities when the disruption of conversation and the influx of current news is the concern.

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On a lighter note here's my cal report gurus what are u seeing here lol

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I live in California where we sometimes get heavy rain, and it is inevitable that no matter how many times the media and government say not to cross swollen streams, people still do it and some get swept away. So there is something to be said for anticipating that foolish people will do things that they ought not to do. Still . . . people should learn to be patient and not do things they ought not to do -- like cross swollen streams, and poke around in the service menu if they are not certain of all the risks and are not capable of dealing with the consequences.

But that's just my opinion.
The problem is, why is there not a password or something for the turning on the engineering firmware setting in the service menu if it not meant to be used? I bet there may be a firmware update for that real quick
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Does anyone have an idea of what percentage of LG OLED’s are actually problematic with the issues described in this thread?

5%

20%

50%

75%
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Does anyone have an idea of what percentage of LG OLED’s are actually problematic with the issues described in this thread?



5%



20%



50%



75%


Kinda hard to extrapolate , those posting in avs make up such a small portion of the total ownership population , things also get blown way out of proportion here in my experience . I think are better than average of getting a problem free set I have owned 4 different models and never had an issue .


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Looks okay I don’t see de stats unless I missed it , software looks like it’s from the 70s but that shouldn’t impact the calibration , most important thing is what you think ?


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I love it. First time getting a calibration and I can see why its highly recommended C8 is a Beast of a tv

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Yes absolutely if I was doing a manual cal , I have been doing autocal on my set though .


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Does anyone have an idea of what percentage of LG OLED’s are actually problematic with the issues described in this thread?
If you mean the near-black overshoot problem, there is a dedicated thread with a poll giving accurate numbers:
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LG are spending their time developing and testing it, not reading this FAQing thread!

Probably so, and yet LG were clued in somehow that there are two third party apps out there that enables non-approved parties to fiddle around with the beta testing and perhaps even call to ask for support assistance when they screw up in the SM complicating the results of LG's beta FW test reports. Ergo, the last two engineering beta FW have disabled the hack programs ability to revert from inappropriately used beta FW to previous officially released FW. The coincidence seems curious to me is all. And I see it as a possible dire warning.

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Probably so, and yet LG were clued in somehow that there are two third party apps out there that enables non-approved parties to fiddle around with the beta testing and perhaps even call to ask for support assistance when they screw up in the SM complicating the results of LG's beta FW test reports. Ergo, the last two engineering beta FW have disabled the hack programs ability to revert from inappropriately used beta FW to previous officially released FW. The coincidence seems curious to me is all. And I see it as a possible dire warning.


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