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Personally, I think I'd rather just have the question answered by some folks who aren't burned out on doing so. Rather than having several people blast the person for asking it, have the person asking then respond in kind, and the ensuing go-round, plus now the mentioning of the FAQ (which itself is a source of contention), and then, of course, have people ask where the FAQ is. . .

Getting too bent out of shape about repetitive questions on internet forums is sorta like complaining that water is wet, or that bears continue to use our national forests as restrooms. At some point, it's less disruptive to just accept certain realities when the disruption of conversation and the influx of current news is the concern.

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I posted this 4\16\19. Just an opinion I have and no one commented on it.



Wasn't there a Wiki that started a long while back which was supposed to end all the repeated asked questions and keep up to date about the C8 Series?

I might get destroyed for this, wouldn't be the first time, I have an ex. All this negativeness about repeat questions is this just a principal thing, or is it a time consuming thing? If it is a time thing, personally, I would just answer the question and move on, or don't answer at all! How long does it take for somebody to repeat typing an answer to a question? Even if it's a long write? I can't imagine it being that much of a problem, unless you type like 2 words a minute. People being lazy, or the search engine on these forums have restrictions, etc, etc, etc, is a problem, just don't answer. That's my opinion. It is a lot better to not answer then answer and the thread gets all negative and the person asking the question never returns, no? Now, if it has to do with clogging up the forum with repeated info, I can see that, but since this thread doesn't bump posts to the top, I don't see the issue. Just my opinion!

By the way, this response post took me 90 seconds. That is with an edit! I spend more time, liking people's posts then that in a session I do here daily.
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I posted this 4\16\19. Just an opinion I have and no one commented on it.



Wasn't there a Wiki that started a long while back which was supposed to end all the repeated asked questions and keep up to date about the C8 Series?

I might get destroyed for this, wouldn't be the first time, I have an ex. All this negativeness about repeat questions is this just a principal thing, or is it a time consuming thing? If it is a time thing, personally, I would just answer the question and move on, or don't answer at all! How long does it take for somebody to repeat typing an answer to a question? Even if it's a long write? I can't imagine it being that much of a problem, unless you type like 2 words a minute. People being lazy, or the search engine on these forums have restrictions, etc, etc, etc, is a problem, just don't answer. That's my opinion. It is a lot better to not answer then answer and the thread gets all negative and the person asking the question never returns, no? Now, if it has to do with clogging up the forum with repeated info, I can see that, but since this thread doesn't bump posts to the top, I don't see the issue. Just my opinion!

By the way, this response post took me 90 seconds. That is with an edit! I spend more time, liking people's posts then that in a session I do here daily.
Fully agree.

There´s lots of general chat (there is not chat room?) and off topic which fill this thread, leave those off and you may find something useful and no need to ask same question so many times or read 50 pages back.
Seems that some guys have right to do what ever they want

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Personally I suggest to wait official releases altough also those may introduce new bugs. However, seems it´s wise to read some experiences and measures at first before update.
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If you mean the near-black overshoot problem, there is a dedicated thread with a poll giving accurate numbers:
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No offense, but that thread is anything but statistically significant and as with most polls on AVS tends to attract responses from those with a problem (real or otherwise). I still find it interesting given this issue is supposed to impact every OLED panel in 2018 that Sony owners have spent very little time discussing this topic and/or the lack of a fix from Sony (or acknowledgement if I remember correctly).


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Fully agree.

There´s lots of general chat (there is not chat room?) and off topic which fill this thread, leave those off and you may find something useful and no need to ask same question so many times or read 50 pages back.
It wouldn't be at all difficult to setup a Discord chat for LG C8 Owners, I've found that it's a nice format for ongoing discussions regarding all kinds of topics and moderators can set channel FAQ/Topics that show to anyone that joins and are easy to refer to within the chat itself.
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No offense, but that thread is anything but statistically significant and as with most polls on AVS tends to attract responses from those with a problem (real or otherwise). I still find it interesting given this issue is supposed to impact every OLED panel in 2018 that Sony owners have spent very little time discussing this topic and/or the lack of a fix from Sony (or acknowledgement if I remember correctly).


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This is a long time observation on LG vs Sony users and most say it's because there are more LG owners. No one really knows but I suspect, based on my own observations, although Sony uses the same panels, they have their own proprietary picture processing which may be compensating for many of these issues and why Sony users are not as animated on AVS. There is the raw panel then each company uses their own electronics and proprietary picture processing to achieve the best possible picture.
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This is a long time observation on LG vs Sony users and most say it's because there are more LG owners. No one really knows but I suspect, based on my own observations, although Sony uses the same panels, they have their own proprietary picture processing which may be compensating for many of these issues and why Sony users are not as animated on AVS. There is the raw panel then each company uses their own electronics and proprietary picture processing to achieve the best possible picture.

Good morning John, DNice confirmed this on the Sony panels (at least the A8F and A9F). I don't have the time to hunt the post from earlier this year. My suspicion is that Sony owners spend more time enjoying everything that their display does well - half full (Sony) vs. half empty (LG) and tend to not run test patterns or torture tests. Would also agree the number of owners would have an impact on it as well. From my time on AVS it seems as if LG displays have always gotten a lot more scrutiny (which could be related to cost of entry and demographics). Plus suspect many of us remain cautious since we never thought we'd buy a Lucky Goldstar display (or two). Having been a Sony guy for nearly 40 years, I don't buy the special sauce theory anymore.

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Before OLED, LG was the bottom dweller of the shootouts whenever they supplied their "best" tv to compete. However I wouldn't double down on the price for an OLED by anyone at this stage. Keep hunting for the best deals to get into the game and enjoy.
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I might get destroyed for this, wouldn't be the first time, I have an ex. All this negativeness about repeat questions is this just a principal thing, or is it a time consuming thing? If it is a time thing, personally, I would just answer the question and move on, or don't answer at all! How long does it take for somebody to repeat typing an answer to a question?
Well, I might get destroyed for this, but I would say it's a matter of principal and an issue of time. I'll play curmudgeon for a moment, but I think one could say that, on the principal front, it's a common courtesy thing. I mean, if someone leaves weights on a barbell at the gym, how long does it take to remove the weights? Not long at all. But it's just not courteous to the people who want to use that station next. If someone playing golf doesn't rake a sand trap, how long does it take to rake it when you walk by it and see it has been left unraked by a previous player? Not long at all. But it's just not cool to leave a trap unraked.

And while it might not take long to answer a question again, sometimes it does, like if it asks for numerous settings (like IRE settings) or asks a question that cannot be answered simply. Sort of like when they are three 45-pound plates on each side of a barbell. And I suppose one could leave the question unanswered, but then I actually feel bad that the person isn't getting his or her question answered, especially if they are somewhat new to the forum or they just got their set. So sometimes I will try to help by pointing out that the topic has been discussed and if they do a search for, say, "firmware upgrade," they will find some good information. But then some people take that the wrong way.

Hey, none of this is really a big issue in the scheme of things, and there's no reason for any of us to get bent out of shape if someone has a different take on it. And I do agree we should endeavor to help people who have questions. I just think that a lot of regulars here really do make a sincere and hospitable effort to provide useful information to people who have questions, and a little common courtesy the other way would be nice too.

That's just what I think, and I fully accept that others might think I'm an "old" ornery dude and I should be ignored, and I accept that others might view this issue differently. That's cool.

P.S. I love you all, even those of you who tomorrow will ask how many pieces of plastic need to be removed from the back of the set.

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Thanks for the thoughtful and tactful post smitty! You had just the right BALANCE; you made a good point about PRINCIPLE (i.e. COMMON COURTESY) but you also stated your genuine CONCERN for new members with questions. This is the kind of answer that makes a Thread a pleasure to come to.
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Hi Guys, from across the pond in Sydney here and have been reading this forum for many months now. I bought a 65E8 during December sales and have been rapt in it. It's my 2nd Oled having had a 55930 1080p panel for 3 1/2 years before that with no issues. Nearly went the Q9 route but the PQ of the OLED was just too good to ignore and with 1000 hrs on it now it's just gotten better even with the latest firmware updates.


My panel is very clean with very little banding at 5% and no pixel issues. Trouble with reading forums you tend to start looking for any possible thing that may be wrong.


The only issues I see are content quality related and not the display though I did see some crush very early on once which has seemed to be either fixed or I just stopped seeing it.



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Well, I might get destroyed for this, but I would say it's a matter of principal and an issue of time. I'll play curmudgeon for a moment, but I think one could say that, on the principal front, it's a common courtesy thing. I mean, if someone leaves weights on a barbell at the gym, how long does it take to remove the weights? Not long at all. But it's just not courteous to the people who want to use that station next. If someone playing golf doesn't rake a sand trap, how long does it take to rake it when you walk by it and see it has been left unraked by a previous player? Not long at all. But it's just not cool to leave a trap unraked.



And while it might not take long to answer a question again, sometimes it does, like if it asks for numerous settings (like IRE settings) or asks a question that cannot be answered simply. Sort of like when they are three 45-pound plates on each side of a barbell. And I suppose one could leave the question unanswered, but then I actually feel bad that the person isn't getting his or her question answered, especially if they are somewhat new to the forum or they just got their set. So sometimes I will try to help by pointing out that the topic has been discussed and if they do a search for, say, "firmware upgrade," they will find some good information. But then some people take that the wrong way.



Hey, none of this is really a big issue in the scheme of things, and there's no reason for any of us to get bent out of shape if someone has a different take on it. And I do agree we should endeavor to help people who have questions. I just think that a lot of regulars here really do make a sincere and hospitable effort to provide useful information to people who have questions, and a little common courtesy the other way would be nice too.



That's just what I think, and I fully accept that others might think I'm an "old" ornery dude and I should be ignored, and I accept that others might view this issue differently. That's cool.



P.S. I love you all, even those of you who tomorrow will ask how many pieces of plastic need to be removed from the back of the set.


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If my set has been calibrated and I am using 2.2 but I want to raise Gamma just a touch (thinking 2.25/2.3) accross the board, which control is best for that IRE 20 point? Do I just raise values slightly by the same amount across all target values?

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You can definitely tell who the attorneys are on this thread lol
Yes, we just can't help it.
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I was looking around my picture settings on my C8 last night and noticed on a few picture modes, I had Black Level on High, where most are on Low. In doing some googling, it sounds like Low is what I want across the board pretty much. Is that correct?
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No offense, but that thread is anything but statistically significant and as with most polls on AVS tends to attract responses from those with a problem (real or otherwise). I still find it interesting given this issue is supposed to impact every OLED panel in 2018 that Sony owners have spent very little time discussing this topic and/or the lack of a fix from Sony (or acknowledgement if I remember correctly).

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Heh, none taken because I was being sarcastic! It's a self-selecting sample and in no way accurate at all . But, it's a finger-in-the-air estimate and is all we can realistically have. Also as it's been running for several months, it's a lot better than just guessing. IMHO.

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I was looking around my picture settings on my C8 last night and noticed on a few picture modes, I had Black Level on High, where most are on Low. In doing some googling, it sounds like Low is what I want across the board pretty much. Is that correct?


Yes low is the correct for most if not all video devices . Unless connecting a Pc device would be the only exception .


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I posted this 4\16\19. Just an opinion I have and no one commented on it.

Wasn't there a Wiki that started a long while back which was supposed to end all the repeated asked questions and keep up to date about the C8 Series?
Yes indeed. It was resurrected and several people are now posting links in their sigs to both that wiki and the newer faq too. A very helpful member has posted the sig text you can use to do this. My sig is already too full (I can't edit it and keep everything, they must have lowered the limit) otherwise I'd do it too.

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Yes for video content (black=16, white=235) you want a "low" range. For full RGB gaming and PC use (black=0, white=255) you want the "High" range.

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I haven't measured but I'd hope you could get away with 2pt. Ie lower 2pt "high" red, green, blue all by the same, and then again for "low". That's 6 adjustments.

However, this may mess up the white balance so what should be better but more work, is yes the 20pt. For this, you can leave the red/green/blue values and bump down the "adjusting luminance" value a bit. Do this for IRE 5, 10, 15, 20 all the way up. That's 20 adjustments but ought to give a better result.

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Has anyone heard anything more on the possibility of LG adding Airplay2 to previous generation TV? I know thy said it was coming later to the 2019 models but know word on earlier ones. If you were a betting person, what odds would you give that they do?
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Yes for video content (black=16, white=235) you want a "low" range. For full RGB gaming and PC use (black=0, white=255) you want the "High" range.
Ah so it relates to RGB Range "Limited." Thanks, that helps a lot. I actually just recently learned about setting my consoles to "Limited RGB" and oh my goodness what a difference it made on my Switch and Ps4!
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Has anyone heard anything more on the possibility of LG adding Airplay2 to previous generation TV? I know thy said it was coming later to the 2019 models but know word on earlier ones. If you were a betting person, what odds would you give that they do?
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Ah so it relates to RGB Range "Limited." Thanks, that helps a lot. I actually just recently learned about setting my consoles to "Limited RGB" and oh my goodness what a difference it made on my Switch and Ps4!
Yep I find the description "black level low/high" very counter-intuitive, because the higher number (16 for black with Video content) is labelled as the "Low" black level. Hence I always try to describe it in terms of the range. It's the same setting either way
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Some may need to for calibration purposes. I know AutoCal has a frame insertion that gets around ABSL during autocal. But if you wanted to do a meter profile first (i1pro2 to C6 to example), would you need to turn off ABSL to do so?
I turned it off on my older OLED snd have already turned it off on my new C8. I found that by doing so removes a factor that can mess up your calibration. That is the ONLY thing I do in the SM. I am the only one using my TV. Other suggestions on reasons not to turn it off should be weighed in with your decision. I’m not sure that turning it back on after calibrating will erase your calibration (and I don’t want to find out the hard way!).

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If my set has been calibrated and I am using 2.2 but I want to raise Gamma just a touch (thinking 2.25/2.3) accross the board, which control is best for that IRE 20 point? Do I just raise values slightly by the same amount across all target values?

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I haven't measured but I'd hope you could get away with 2pt. Ie raise 2pt "high" red, green, blue all by the same, and then again for "low". That's 6 adjustments.

However, this may mess up the white balance so what should be better but more work, is yes the 20pt. For this, you can leave the red/green/blue values and bump up the "adjusting luminance" value a bit. Do this for IRE 5, 10, 15, 20 all the way up. That's 20 adjustments but ought to give a better result.

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I think he wants to raise gamma from 2.2 to 2.25/2.3, so that means lowering lo/hi 2pt RGB or lowering 20 point luminance. The luminance control will probably have less negative impact on the calibration.
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Yep I find the description "black level low/high" very counter-intuitive, because the higher number (16 for black with Video content) is labelled as the "Low" black level. Hence I always try to describe it in terms of the range. It's the same setting either way
I appreciate you making it easy to understand as setting something to "limited" or "Low" in most logical cases is bad. I love my TV, I bugged my wife for literally years to let me get an OLED, but some of the settings on it are just beyond me.
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I think he wants to raise gamma from 2.2 to 2.25/2.3, so that means lowering lo/hi 2pt RGB or lowering 20 point luminance. The luminance control will probably have less negative impact on the calibration.
Whoops! Thanks, good spot . I'll fix the original post.
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Whoops! Thanks, good spot . I'll fix the original post.
It's another one of those counter-intuitive gotchas!
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..Ergo, the last two engineering beta FW have disabled the hack programs ability to revert from inappropriately used beta FW to previous officially released FW
EDIT: Deleting my previous text/theory on this - it was incorrect. I do doubt they disabled it for any sinister reasons though.

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