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Did you not read two posts back? A new update is pending and that "should" be the fix we're all waiting for. If it were me I would wait for it (I have .55 and it's still crushing blacks a bit even with some tweaking of the gamma).
Course not. No-one ever reads previous posts! Just ignore everything, and post your FAQ at the end as quickly as you can. That's the most efficient thing to do

The 4.10.20 firmware has been removed from LG's UK download page. Good.

I agree that it shouldn't be long now. Everyone just calm down.

I missed the announcement that "it's not worth upgrading to the C9". I would not upgrade from my C8 to a C9 unless I was rich or just very blasé with money: an OLED TV is a major purchase which I made based on the promise that it will serve me well for many years.

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    • same setting is in 2018 sets in Service Menu, called "Module HDR"
    • could not turn "off" before and keep PQ tracking because, if you did you could not adjust the tone-curve to still track PQ. But now with custom tone-curves that problem can be worked-around.
  • Game mode allows changing of Colour Gamut Auto/Wide/Extended.
  • Game mode allows changing of all other Expert Controls: 2pt, 10pt, 22pts, Gamma
  • 20pt white balance is now 22pts: added 2.5% and 7.5%
  • Ability to upload customised tone-maps
  • Previous tone-curves were optimised for a fixed known peak brightness
  • Built-in pattern generator
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    • up to 4 horizontal or vertical gradiants. Start value, and then step-size in pixels
    • includes the "rounding errors" that you would get if it was an external pattern generator
  • Improvement on LG Display's 2018 panels
    • the T-Con (converts to light) has a 10-bit input but a higher bit / accuracy output on the analogue light side than before (number of bits unspecified)
    • Fine control over the de-saturation which happens above the 0-300 nit range (which is caused by the White SubPixel)
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This for sure plus Newegg is not an authorized LG dealer. Could have warranty problems if problems arise. https://www.lg.com/us/authorizeddeal...ized_retailers

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I just enter to lg uk, and the 04.10.20 is there for download. Why you sey is not there?
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This for sure plus Newegg is not an authorized LG dealer. Could have warranty problems if problems arise. https://www.lg.com/us/authorizeddeal...ized_retailers


Thanks a lot.
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I'm owner of LC C855, and I'm planning to buy new LG OLED for my living room, I need those owner LG C9 to help me, I'm thinking of C9 65,E8 &C8 65 both have discounted found in Newegg Limited Time Offer will finish in 3 days later (Monday), I was thinking about the E9 but unfortunately out of stock.



Is the C9 good deal worth to buy? or shall go for C8, E8 65?



https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=LG+OLE...rder=BESTMATCH



So, would you please help to decide which I could buy? also, is C9 panels still has an issue blotchy/uniformity like C8? please see the attached.



Your comments would be appreciated

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Get the C8 65. Don't buy it from Newegg.


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Get the C8 65. Don't buy it from Newegg.


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I just enter to lg uk, and the 04.10.20 is there for download. Why you sey is not there?
Because I checked when I wrote that post and could only see 04.10.55 and 03.01.00! I was wrong!
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walts.com matched newegg back in April and they are listed as authorized. Very happy (lg c8 77") ... Miles was sales rep..
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Is there, in the midle. I just downloaded 04.10.20 and js ok.
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Ive been hesitant to upgrade to .55 based on the horror stories I ve read about other updates. I too am on .15



SHould I go ahead and upgrade or wait for the next update? Also where Can I find the FAQ you speak of with the pic settings? THanks
If you're happy with the .15 then no reason to update. But if you know how to downgrade it then try .55 and downgrade to .15 if you don't like it later

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And in PC mode, where the default is 20?
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In PC-mode 20 was neutral when the C8 was released (like mentioned by rtings) but I think it was later changed with a FW update so that 0 is neutral. I'm not 100% certain on this though, it was quite some time ago when I tested sharpness in pc-mode.
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I think default is still 10 (most modes) and 20 (PC mode) with firmware 4.10.55. did you test the 0/10 issue with this firmware?

else i shall test it myself this weekend if i find time.
Have you managed to test it?

I just did: PC mode from PC RGB 4:4:4 output (see my signature) using this image in the adjust sharpness section with irfanview
- 20 oversharpens the image
- 10 is the default: I didn't see any edge enhancement
- 0 softens the image a bit (as I said before)

So, it can indeed easily be 0 the neutral setting in PC mode as well, but definitely not 20 as rtings suggest. Although the difference is not night and day

The difference with 10 between normal and PC mode can be the additional chroma upsampling in normal mode (since it operates in 4:2:2) that isn't needed in PC mode.
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Great deals on C8 make it hard to jump to a C9 instead . Next year maybe the upgrade to C10 will be a bigger difference .
I would not count on it, people want to see a 10 or 20% gain in performance from year to year except that does not happen, when you jump 10-20% in a year it is usually a technology change all together..... Maybe that will be Micro-LED finally hitting the streets or something even better.
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Did I steal it? It was a 7/24 Wally World display. Their NIB clearance price was borderline stealing, but I wasn’t lucky enough to get one of those. I’ll experiment with a few things but it’s probably going back.



Nice deal! I ended up with a backup plan lol. Best Buy has a great in store price on the 55" B8, so I ordered one of those this morning and will go that route assuming I don’t have any luck improving the picture on the one I have.

Thanks for the feedback everyone!
Well, the experimenting with the display model is over before it started. It’s going back. And I’ve canceled the BB B8 order. Found a NIB for the same price I paid for the display model. I’ve officially stolen a 55" C8.
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Well, the experimenting with the display model is over before it started. It’s going back. And I’ve canceled the BB B8 order. Found a NIB for the same price I paid for the display model. I’ve officially stolen a 55" C8.
Hmmm. Did you get that from Uncle Vito and was it off the back of a truck?
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I just got around to installing the 77c8 I bought about two months ago and I think its broken...

Right near the middle lower 1/3rd of the screen I can see light colored lines almost like banding but its horizontal and not straight. It almost looks like I have worms in my TV and it can be seen on the gray banding test and other mild dark scenes. It is not there on light colored scenes but is clear as day on the other ones.

Obviously I'm out of the 30 day to return this thing so should I call LG first thing on Tuesday to get the panel replaced?

Oh, and it's got the lovely hissing noise from the PSU in some scenes as well.
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Well, the experimenting with the display model is over before it started. It’s going back. And I’ve canceled the BB B8 order. Found a NIB for the same price I paid for the display model. I’ve officially stolen a 55" C8.

I don't know about the C8 in that box, but the box sure isn't new. It looks like it's been through the wringer once or twice. Or fell out of the back of the truck it rode in on.

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I downgraded to .15 a couple weeks ago after 1-2 days on .55. It was a relief to see things how I remembered.

However, now I get that annoying update box each time I turn the TV on, so I'm hoping for an update after .55 someday. I'm holding my breath it will be the end of the decision though because I can see them taking a middle ground on the gamma between .15 and .55. I think the gamma change is partly how they are fixing the other issues, so I don't see it simply going back to the gamma in .15, which means some of us could still prefer .15.

And my final dilemma is I have another 6 weeks or so I could return my C8 and prices on C9 keep falling. I do game a lot, so the C9 features are attractive for future consoles, but at the same time, I super value the idea that I already have a TV setup I'm happy with and don't have to haul this one to Costco and a new one home from Costco and hope I get a good enough draw in the panel lottery again. I do have a very large corner of pink tint that could also justify me going for the C9 and returning this one, but I am also happy where I am.
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I don't know about the C8 in that box, but the box sure isn't new. It looks like it's been through the wringer once or twice. Or fell out of the back of the truck it rode in on.
It’s in pretty good shape overall, especially given that Wally World had it for a while.
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It’s in pretty good shape overall, especially given that Wally World had it for a while.
Yeah mine from Costco looked similar. I do have a small dent in the rear metal backing, if there's bright light in the room, so I'm not sure if it was caused in the box or manufactured that way.
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I would not count on it, people want to see a 10 or 20% gain in performance from year to year except that does not happen, when you jump 10-20% in a year it is usually a technology change all together..... Maybe that will be Micro-LED finally hitting the streets or something even better.
I guess the last thing OLED fans are waiting for is the 12 bit panel. Will it be a big improvement? I do not know ! Micro-LED looks very promising but it will be a number of years before large “affordable” panels are available to the public .
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I guess the last thing OLED fans are waiting for is the 12 bit panel. Will it be a big improvement? I do not know ! Micro-LED looks very promising but it will be a number of years before large “affordable” panels are available to the public .
I’d rather have better uniformity, no tinting and good processing of color banding first. And better motion (plasma like).
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I would not count on it, people want to see a 10 or 20% gain in performance from year to year except that does not happen, when you jump 10-20% in a year it is usually a technology change all together..... Maybe that will be Micro-LED finally hitting the streets or something even better.
Or C10 licensing Sony's X1 Ultimate chip and calling it the AlphaX processor! Since Sony buys LG's panels, why can't LG buy Sony's image processors?
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It's false that "everyone says" it's the only solution

If you just wait, the next firmware (already in beta) does fix this, with the same gamma as 4.10.15/20, but also, the very good improved near-black handling.

Otherwise if you really insist on downgrading and the calibrating, you are wasting your time (because when this next firmware is rolled out soon, which is much better, you will want to upgrade to it, and then you will have to calibrate all over again).
Thanks to everyone for the answers ! I'll wait for the next firmware update.
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Hard to believe, but some people use more than ISF dark. Game mode sucks on .55 and good luck with your simple tweak there.
How does Game mode sucks on .55 ? Why ?
This interest me as I'm using this mode on .55
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I’d rather have better uniformity, no tinting and good processing of color banding first. And better motion (plasma like).
Well with a 12-bit panel, there won't be so much of a need for "processing of color banding" because the extra bits will remove the banding at the source

But yes. I want 12-bit panels, higher frame-rates, full rec2020 coverage, better near-black handling, better uniformity, better anti-reflective coatings, etc.
But one thing is absolutely clear: 8K resolution is at the absolute BOTTOM of my wish-list of things I want next. Yet the stupid manufacturer are offering it first

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Well with a 12-bit panel, there won't be so much of a need for "processing of color banding" because the extra bits will remove the banding at the source
That doesn’t help my 5000+ dvd and blu ray collection.
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8k comes first because of marketing. Sells better to the masses. Full rec 2020 coverage does not mean a thing for the masses.
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That doesn’t help my 5000+ dvd and blu ray collection.
Yes it will, a 12-bit panel with very good processing will automatically mean better anti-banding processing than a 10-bit panel with very good processing.

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8k comes first because of marketing. Sells better to the masses. Full rec 2020 coverage does not mean a thing for the masses.
I wasn't asking why, I know why! Just explaining that it's the BOTTOM priority for anyone who cares about picture quality with the content we have.
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Yes it will, a 12-bit panel with very good processing will automatically mean better anti-banding processing than a 10-bit panel with very good processing.
Give me the very good processing first please.
Most likely 12 bit panels will be made but processing won’t be very good.
We now have 10 bit panels. 10 bit gradients are often still not done correctly on 8 bit sources.
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Or C10 licensing Sony's X1 Ultimate chip and calling it the AlphaX processor! Since Sony buys LG's panels, why can't LG buy Sony's image processors?
If I wasn’t happy with my LG I would have bought a Sony
Wish Sony would license LG’s DV profile and OS
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