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Thanks for the recommendation. I will get an i1 Display Pro this weekend and start playing with HCFR. As is only white balance I think I will not take me much time to do it(maybe..).
I also will try to do the calibration via RS232 serial so I can get rid of the 'NG(0)' on the INSTART menu. I haven't found any guide of how to do it other than the one in the 'service manual' and other on a webos-forum (Russian site ) but I have a theory that it can be done by just sending a start command “wb 00 00” , and finish as end command “wb 00 ff” after manually changing the values with the remote.

I wonder if you can share your new white balance modes(cool, medium, warm) after calibration just for reference ?
If someone is interested Not sure if you can post links to other sites and please feel free to delete if otherwise but just FYI I found all the LG service manual in the following site:

https://english.electronica-pt.com/e...rch?find=EA81E

The B6 manual and below explains more in detail how to do troubleshooting.
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Also I'm too lazy to search for that now but one of my first comments in this thread when I got the replacement panel was that the low end is very crushed. This was something I immediately noticed and I didn't even have a meter or calibration back then...
Is this still like this today?
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I've looked at your chart and something does not seem right to me ... I say that because oleds lack, especially red and not green.
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Why did D-Nice recommend this then? Lowering red and blue means lack of green. This basically goes in the same direction as my calibration and is the exact opposite of what you say.
I understand what @sorinelionut said, and I was told the same thing before by @janos666 and my B8 set works this way:
- OLEDs lack Red
-- the Red setting is maxed out by (factory) default: that's why you you can't get any effect if you try to increase it
- hence only adjust (decreasing) the G and B values in Warm* modes

But note: the above is only valid to a factory calibrated TV set and not replaced/refurbished/etc sets (as we discussed above, due to the invalid White Point values in Service Menu). So if the white point settings are screwed up in SM then you'll have different "effect".

But honestly, guys, until almost every (!) set has more-or-less visible yellow/magenta/etc tinting ...

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I understand what @sorinelionut said, and I was told the same thing before by @janos666 and my B8 set works this way:

- OLEDs lack Red

-- the Red setting is maxed out by (factory) default: that's why you you can't get any effect if you try to increase it

- hence only adjust (decreasing) the G and B values in Warm* modes



But note: the above is only valid to a factory calibrated TV set and not replaced/refurbished/etc sets (as we discussed above, due to the invalid White Point values in Service Menu).



But honestly, guys, until almost every (!) set has more-or-less visible yellow/magenta/etc tinting ...


My c8 doesn’t calibrate like that. I hate these sweeping universal statements does no one any good .

I have owned an EG9100, C6, A8F and an C8 and haven’t touched green in the 2 point white balance , a couple of those were also professionally calibrated and green wasn’t touched .

From the Flatpanelshd C8 review , certainly doesn’t look to be lacking red:



Can anyone honestly say they would reduce green and blue here ?

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A calibrator who wants to teach you, will tell you so, when you calibrate 2p or 20p you never go to toch the green. The reason is that once adjusted the green, you will get out of gamma. You need to know what you are doing and know the basic rules and this is one of them. When I said there were no differences between the panels, I wrote explicitly with the same pixel structure. If you are mounting a new panel, normal as the structure differs. For everyone's sake, the wrgb pixel structure is different from year to year, while model 2019 red pixel is larger. If you use for sd calibration hcfr, you need for 2p and 20p wb, to use cie 76, gamma 2.2, and for color 75% , to get good good results and never, but never to use internal charts.
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You must have a 15-18% small image and not leave it for more than 20 seconds (my recommendation) on the screen, becouse of abl
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Anyone know how to stop the [RECOMMENDATIONS/PROGRAMMES] Bar from popping up every time the onscreen cursor goes to the right edge of the screen?

Thank you
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Anyone know how to stop the [RECOMMENDATIONS/PROGRAMMES] Bar from popping up every time the onscreen cursor goes to the right edge of the screen?



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Tuning channels LG OLED55C8PUA

Is there a way to tune channels without using the OK/enter key? That is, if I wish to view, say, channel 271, I would simply key in 271 rather than 271 + OK key? My universal remote uses voice but if I say :"271" the TV will only open a window showing 271, but then I have to manually push OK/enter for 271 to open.
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I was wondering if someone might be able to point me in the right direction as to an explanation/information regarding what exactly the tone mapping feature does with content? The menu has a brief description but I know in tech terms it entails much more.

On a separate topic, pixel refresher just ran after the 2,000 hour mark. I seem to recall recently someone stating it degrades the pixels a bit which is why it doesn’t run very often. This seems to counteract the point of it providing a more clear picture after so much time powered on as it states. So I’m just hoping someone could elaborate on this a bit for me. Thanks so much in advance!
I lack the technical expertise to answer your question, but this may be helpful nonetheless.

I have a 65C7 and a 65C8. Back when the LG 7 series was released I followed the LG 7 series thread closely. At that time I recall there was some mention in the Sony OLED product literature that the pixel refresher could or would cause degradation and it should not be run manually unless absolutely necessary. The LG product literature did not contain any such warning (as I recall). Despite the lack of a similar LG warning, the existence of the Sony warning fostered a belief amongst some in the LG thread that the pixel refresher could cause degradation.

I cannot recall if anyone ever reconciled the existence of the Sony warning with the lack of an LG warning. However, the existence of the Sony warning planted a seed of concern in the minds of many LG OLED owners that the pixel refresher causes degradation. That concern has continued to fester but without any evidence to support the concern, as far as I know.

So basically, there are those who believe (or at least fear) that the pixel refresher causes degradation. But I don't know if it has ever been proven.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I will get an i1 Display Pro this weekend and start playing with HCFR. As is only white balance I think I will not take me much time to do it(maybe..).
I also will try to do the calibration via RS232 serial so I can get rid of the 'NG(0)' on the INSTART menu. I haven't found any guide of how to do it other than the one in the 'service manual' and other on a webos-forum (Russian site ) but I have a theory that it can be done by just sending a start command “wb 00 00” , and finish as end command “wb 00 ff” after manually changing the values with the remote.

I wonder if you can share your new white balance modes(cool, medium, warm) after calibration just for reference ?
Oh I didn't even adjust the service menu WB values, as adjusting them in the picture settings has the same effect. I never use medium or cool, I wouldn't even know what white point to calibrate those to. Also depending on gamma and oled-light my TV will need slightly different adjustments, usually I have to lower R and B by about 10 points or increase green...


I've also looked into getting rid of the 'NG(0)' value which is shown after hitting reset but the problem is my TV (C8LLA) doesn't even have a RS232 service port on the back, there is just a headphone/audio out which looks similar but I doubt that will work as a RS232 port.

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I've also looked into getting rid of the 'NG(0)' value which is shown after hitting reset but the problem is my TV (C8LLA) doesn't even have a RS232 service port on the back, there is just a headphone/audio out which looks similar but I doubt that will work as a RS232 port.

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  1. What does the NG(0) value mean?
  2. Where is it?
  3. Why exactly do you want to get rid of it?

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If someone is interested Not sure if you can post links to other sites and please feel free to delete if otherwise but just FYI I found all the LG service manual in the following site:
That's very interesting, but I have a different chassis. Model ends C8PLA.

How do I work out what my chassis is please? There's nothing obvious I can find in the service menu or on the label on the back of the TV, or in the "about this TV" menu.

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  1. What does the NG(0) value mean?
  2. Where is it?
  3. Why exactly do you want to get rid of it?

TIA.

If you reset the White Balance in the service menu it will then at the in-start screen where it says 'Adjust White Balance: OK(0)' change to NG(0).
This NG(0) value doesn't have any effect on the picture and you can still change the WB however you like. I'm not exactly sure what it means but I guess this is just some checkmark value that changes from NG to OK after the factory calibration has been done.


Apparently you can change it back to OK but this requires usage of the service port and my TV doesn't have one.
I don't really care much about this as it doesn't affect anything but if I could I would still change it back.


edit: Does the UK model have the RS232 port?



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Has anyone contacted LG recently regarding the 05.20.00 FW Update? Methinks they "may" have forgotten about us!

I think I can hear some of you saying, "Why don't YOU (me!) contact them for us?" I "may" just do that, though my experiences with Customer Service (when it comes to Flat Panel Displays) has left a lot to be desired. I usually get some newbie that simply reads me the latest "talking point." Or I get someone who says, "Be patient, it won't be long now" (which, if memory serves me, was what others have already heard from them).

I guess I just don't want us to "let up" on this or it may very well be forgotten by the LG software techs.
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Has anyone contacted LG recently regarding the 05.20.00 FW Update? Methinks they "may" have forgotten about us!

I think I can hear some of you saying, "Why don't YOU (me!) contact them for us?" I "may" just do that, though my experiences with Customer Service (when it comes to Flat Panel Displays) has left a lot to be desired. I usually get some newbie that simply reads me the latest "talking point." Or I get someone who says, "Be patient, it won't be long now" (which, if memory serves me, was what others have already heard from them).

I guess I just don't want us to "let up" on this or it may very well be forgotten by the LG software techs.
According to people who contacted them, the update was "coming soon" a month ago

I may just get a service remote as I'm pretty tired of crushed blacks for 2 months.
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According to people who contacted them, the update was "coming soon" a month ago

I may just get a service remote as I'm pretty tired of crushed blacks for 2 months.
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I was wondering if someone might be able to point me in the right direction as to an explanation/information regarding what exactly the tone mapping feature does with content? The menu has a brief description but I know in tech terms it entails much more.

On a separate topic, pixel refresher just ran after the 2,000 hour mark. I seem to recall recently someone stating it degrades the pixels a bit which is why it doesn’t run very often. This seems to counteract the point of it providing a more clear picture after so much time powered on as it states. So I’m just hoping someone could elaborate on this a bit for me. Thanks so much in advance!
I lack the technical expertise to answer your question, but this may be helpful nonetheless.

I have a 65C7 and a 65C8. Back when the LG 7 series was released I followed the LG 7 series thread closely. At that time I recall there was some mention in the Sony OLED product literature that the pixel refresher could or would cause degradation and it should not be run manually unless absolutely necessary. The LG product literature did not contain any such warning (as I recall). Despite the lack of a similar LG warning, the existence of the Sony warning fostered a belief amongst some in the LG thread that the pixel refresher could cause degradation.

I cannot recall if anyone ever reconciled the existence of the Sony warning with the lack of an LG warning. However, the existence of the Sony warning planted a seed of concern in the minds of many LG OLED owners that the pixel refresher causes degradation. That concern has continued to fester but without any evidence to support the concern, as far as I know.

So basically, there are those who believe (or at least fear) that the pixel refresher causes degradation. But I don't know if it has ever been proven.
Huh. Thanks so very much for taking the time to explain where this derived from! I guess if LG forces is after 2000 hours the benift must outweigh the con... just wish they were more forthcoming with an accurate explanation of what exactly it does and can or will cause. Thanks again very much!

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Thanks for the recommendation. I will get an i1 Display Pro this weekend and start playing with HCFR. As is only white balance I think I will not take me much time to do it(maybe..). [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG]
I also will try to do the calibration via RS232 serial so I can get rid of the 'NG(0)' on the INSTART menu. I haven't found any guide of how to do it other than the one in the 'service manual' and other on a webos-forum (Russian site [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG] ) but I have a theory that it can be done by just sending a start command “wb 00 00” , and finish as end command “wb 00 ff” after manually changing the values with the remote.

I wonder if you can share your new white balance modes(cool, medium, warm) after calibration just for reference ?
Oh I didn't even adjust the service menu WB values, as adjusting them in the picture settings has the same effect. I never use medium or cool, I wouldn't even know what white point to calibrate those to. Also depending on gamma and oled-light my TV will need slightly different adjustments, usually I have to lower R and B by about 10 points or increase green...


I've also looked into getting rid of the 'NG(0)' value which is shown after hitting reset but the problem is my TV (C8LLA) doesn't even have a RS232 service port on the back, there is just a headphone/audio out which looks similar but I doubt that will work as a RS232 port. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]

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  1. What does the NG(0) value mean?
  2. Where is it?
  3. Why exactly do you want to get rid of it?

TIA.

If you reset the White Balance in the service menu it will then at the in-start screen where it says 'Adjust White Balance: OK(0)' change to NG(0).
This NG(0) value doesn't have any effect on the picture and you can still change the WB however you like. I'm not exactly sure what it means but I guess this is just some checkmark value that changes from NG to OK after the factory calibration has been done.


Apparently you can change it back to OK but this requires usage of the service port and my TV doesn't have one. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]
I don't really care much about this as it doesn't affect anything but if I could I would still change it back.


edit: Does the UK model have the RS232 port?




Hi jk82. Thanks for your information. That means I just need to worry about the ‘warm’ setting right?

Also regarding how to connect serial cable there’s an explanation in the c8 tv manual at the end in the PDF at https://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-OLED55C8PUA

See the attached image as well. Its not so clear but I think you just need a USB-to-serial converter to connect to the USB port on the tv side. On the computer side you can use a second USB-to-serial (female) converter or use a serial cable in between. They also sell a gender change female-male adapter.

I’m going to try this weekend and share the results here 😉

FYI See the Amazon links:

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Conver...fix=serial+to+


https://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Se...PJDWR5KGB60SDB
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I’m going to try this weekend and share the results here 😉
Great, looking forward to your report if it works with the USB-to-serial converter.


About the default white balance factory calibration: The C6 service manual actually has the white point coordinates for cool, medium and warm listed. Nothing about this in the C8 service manual but I assume the white points would be the same.

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Has anyone contacted LG recently regarding the 05.20.00 FW Update? Methinks they "may" have forgotten about us!



I think I can hear some of you saying, "Why don't YOU (me!) contact them for us?" I "may" just do that, though my experiences with Customer Service (when it comes to Flat Panel Displays) has left a lot to be desired. I usually get some newbie that simply reads me the latest "talking point." Or I get someone who says, "Be patient, it won't be long now" (which, if memory serves me, was what others have already heard from them).



I guess I just don't want us to "let up" on this or it may very well be forgotten by the LG software techs.


The customer service support you will likely call will not have the engineering information regarding future software releases. Just sayin. Don’t waste your time. Just be patient it will come. These things don’t happen over night.


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The customer service support you will likely call will not have the engineering information regarding future software releases. Just sayin. Don’t waste your time. Just be patient it will come. These things don’t happen over night.


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I realize that "these things don't happen over night" since it's been "many over nights" since the 05.20.00 FW Update was put out and "some" have been able to access it and download it. Again, I'm "making noise" so LG doesn't forget about the general public who refuse to go into the Service Menu in order to get it.
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Sorry but your noise is just that. The engineering process will determine when a candidate release has passed regression testing and can be made public.

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A calibrator who wants to teach you, will tell you so, when you calibrate 2p or 20p you never go to toch the green. The reason is that once adjusted the green, you will get out of gamma.
Yes, that's the basic rule of thumb. However, it's not universally true. There are other examples beyond LG OLEDs where the digital-analog mapping is first aligned to peak Red rather than peak Green (again, 2p Gain).

If you take a look at the factory values in the EZ-ADJUST menu you will find that Red Gain is set to it's digitally nautral peak value and D65 (in case of Warm) is set by adjusting (decreasing) the Green and Blue Gain values. I am not sure if this has changed since I experimented with this on a C7 (*) but increasing Red Gain in either the EZ-ADJUST or the normal user menu from it's default (192 and 0 accordingly) immediately resulted in clipping at the high end of the Red gradient. You might not notice this in SDR mode where the default Contrast=85 setting allows for "whiter-than-white" shades, so this clipping starts in that normally not measured/seen contrast region (between the 236-255 8bit values or 100-109% if you like) but I would still consider it a bad practice to distort the WTW range when it's not necessary and the elegant solution is easy to figure out. But more importantly, HDR mode is different, it doesn't allow for whiter-than-white with Contrast=100 (the device tries to reach it's absolute peak luminance, so it doesn't waste any potential contrast range to potentially display "invalid" values).

* Now, also keep in mind that more "thoughtful" manufacturers often re-scale the values, so that no matter what you set, the highest number (after all potential factory and user offsets are applied to it) is set to it's digitally neutral peak value and the rest if ofseted accordingly. So, for example, if the device starts from 192,165,125 where 192 is the peak and the user increases Red in the user menu by +10, the effective values become 192,155,115 (automatically on-the-fly) to avoid clipping (banding on the upper end of the contrast range) or unnecessary waste of available brightness (limited peak lumininance if you were to apply negative offsets to all, like -10 -12 -8 to R,G,B in the user menu).
Panasonic used to do this on their plasma TVs. You simply couldn't cause clipping or brightness reduction. The values in the service menu were immediately re-scaled and saved during the adjustment and the user-menu offsets were similarly scaled in the background (however those were not saved as re-scaled but left as the user pleased in order not to confuse the user). And yes, these were always aligned to Green (hence "don't touch green!" would have applied, except it didn't matter at all, errors were auto-corrected).

The last few Samsung PDPs were different. Those were aligned to Red, very similar to these LG OLEDs (if I recall their neutral value is also 192 but I haven't touched those in years, so I could be wrong but it's definitely Red aligned).

So, when things are alligned to Green and there is no auto-magic re-scaleing then yes, adjusting Green could distort gamma (since the tone response adjustment was made to fit the entire un-clipped/unlimited contrast range). But the same goes for Red if that's what the factory values were aligned for. (However, yet again, sometimes every potential error is automatically taken care of in the background or it remains insignificant due to things like whiter-than-white, etc). Often times you can tell you f'cked it up if you have to reduce the factory default Contrast value (hence doing the aforementioned "re-scaling" manually in a crude way). But most won't care and do it anyways (and it usually doesn't matter, so they get away with it just fine).

Of course the 20p is different. The proper "rule of thumb" there is : never touch the highest point (if it's 100% since you already set that with the Gains in 2p --- unless the user menu already hides the 100% point [some do since it's completely redundant but most don't care to be logical and pretty but allow you to play dirty]). And yes, green affects the gamma the most but it's not exactly true that green=gamma (it just happens to appear like that due to the circumstances when you play with ~6500K where green is the brightest).


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Has anyone contacted LG recently regarding the 05.20.00 FW Update? Methinks they "may" have forgotten about us!

I think I can hear some of you saying, "Why don't YOU (me!) contact them for us?" I "may" just do that, though my experiences with Customer Service (when it comes to Flat Panel Displays) has left a lot to be desired. I usually get some newbie that simply reads me the latest "talking point." Or I get someone who says, "Be patient, it won't be long now" (which, if memory serves me, was what others have already heard from them).

I guess I just don't want us to "let up" on this or it may very well be forgotten by the LG software techs.
Yea, our displays really look awful with the current firmware... Here's a thought....put some high quality content on your display, sit back and stop obsessing over updates.
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Has anyone contacted LG recently regarding the 05.20.00 FW Update? Methinks they "may" have forgotten about us!

I think I can hear some of you saying, "Why don't YOU (me!) contact them for us?" I "may" just do that, though my experiences with Customer Service (when it comes to Flat Panel Displays) has left a lot to be desired. I usually get some newbie that simply reads me the latest "talking point." Or I get someone who says, "Be patient, it won't be long now" (which, if memory serves me, was what others have already heard from them).

I guess I just don't want us to "let up" on this or it may very well be forgotten by the LG software techs.
5.20.00 is a beta firmware. Beta firmware is for testing at a bigger scale. People that are registered beta testers get these releases so they can hopefully prove that they are ready for prime time or prove that they should not be released. This release may never become an official release if they find that it has problems. We may get a subsequent release. I am sure LG is very prudent with this release. The fact that it takes time could simply mean that some problems were found by the beta testers and they are working on it. I'd rather wait for LG to come up with the best firmware possible. I am a software developer and have been for 35 years, thats how it works. We are approaching beta testing for my project. I am sure LG works the same way. Hey, just imagine how this thread would be like without firmware talk!
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I've also looked into getting rid of the 'NG(0)' value which is shown after hitting reset but the problem is my TV (C8LLA) doesn't even have a RS232 service port on the back, there is just a headphone/audio out which looks similar but I doubt that will work as a RS232 port.
RS232 port is rare in the USA now. I do not know of any sets with this port any more but I have not been checking lately either
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5.20.00 is a beta firmware. Beta firmware is for testing at a bigger scale. People that are registered beta testers get these releases so they can hopefully prove that they are ready for prime time or prove that they should not be released. This release may never become an official release if they find that it has problems. We may get a subsequent release. I am sure LG is very prudent with this release. The fact that it takes time could simply mean that some problems were found by the beta testers and they are working on it. I'd rather wait for LG to come up with the best firmware possible. I am a software developer and have been for 35 years, thats how it works. We are approaching beta testing for my project. I am sure LG works the same way. Hey, just imagine how this thread would be like without firmware talk!
Perhaps LG, after making enough disasters with .30 (if I remember the numbering well) and .55, introducing more problems than they wanted to fix, decided to be more cautious and respect the principles you indicated above.

Of course an official declaration from LG would be a desirable choice to calm us down and make us have a positive view of the necessary wait.
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Yea, our displays really look awful with the current firmware... Here's a thought....put some high quality content on your display, sit back and stop obsessing over updates.
If you have bothered to read the (lengthy) discussion we had several weeks ago regarding the current firmware, you would have seen that quite a few members, including ME, said that our display looks awesome with "high quality content," but that there are still times when there is "black crush." Granted, the tweaking of the White Balance gamma settings help, but NOT in all circumstances. I still see black crush at times, even in "some" high quality UHD/1080p Blu-rays or while streaming, but mostly in satellite broadcasts.

It is NOT unreasonable for us to want, and in measure to demand, a FIX. We all paid hard-earned money (at least mine was "hard-earned money") for our display and we should be able to expect excellent PQ in ALL "high quality content." When I bought my C877 it was already on the .31 FW which had black crush, but everyone that had the .15 FW boasted that this problem was non-existent with that update. All we are asking LG for is to give us similar PQ with a new update.
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