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Could there have been direct sunlight shining on the screen? Just a thought.
No, it was in a dark room at night.

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You are probably right, even though I have a hard time believing the "average Joe" goes out and buys an OLED when he can buy a 4K LCD/LED for a fraction of the price and not know the difference when it comes to PQ.
Comparing a high end LED to an OLED can be close, but I have seen the sets for a fraction of the cost and they do not even come close to the high end sets of today......
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I m playing around with my c8 and noticing I have great OTA signals in the Live TV input. Is there any way to get a C8 in the US to record to USB?
Outside the US you can hook a hard drive to them and download a app and you have a DVR. You can not do this in the good ole USA.
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Comparing a high end LED to an OLED can be close, but I have seen the sets for a fraction of the cost and they do not even come close to the high end sets of today......
I wasn't even thinking of a "high end LCD/LED," for the "average Joe six-pack" is usually content with a Walmart/Costco special.
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The handwaving for a company botching low end gamma (on a tech that boasts the best shadow detail, no less) and then not fixing it for 3 months on $2000+ TVs ITT is just flabbergasting. It's cool that your TV is perfect but not all of us are so lucky.
If you're not happy, return it and buy something else. Maybe the title of this thread should be changed to "Staring at my firmware update screen because I'm not satisfied with the gamma" or "Go into you service menu when you have no technical knowledge"
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If you're not happy, return it and buy something else. Maybe the title of this thread should be changed to "Staring at my firmware update screen because I'm not satisfied with the gamma" or "Go into you service menu when you have no technical knowledge"
It's worth remembering that LG Display sells the same panels to Sony, Phillips, Panasonic and others. None of those other manufacturers are going to try to implement firmware workarounds to the near-black chroma overshoot flashing issue. They have either ignored it, or said "we won't fix it".

LG is different, and better. They are doing their best to implement a workaround and have gone back to solve the unintended gamma change which resulted from the first attempt. I know many people are running out of patience which is understandable. But, we are the lucky ones. We will get our improved firmware. It won't be perfect, but it will be the best that this hardware can do (never forget the inherent strengths and weaknesses of OLED technology). The non-LG OLED owners will not get anything, and they are stuck with the near-black chroma overshoot flashing issue for the whole lifetime of their TVs.

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I wasn't even thinking of a "high end LCD/LED," for the "average Joe six-pack" is usually content with a Walmart/Costco special.
Most people I know can't tell the difference between SD and HD. Even when I show them an A/B comparison! We are the unusual people

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It's worth remembering that LG Display sells the same panels to Sony, Phillips, Panasonic and others. None of those other manufacturers are going to try to implement firmware workarounds to the near-black chroma overshoot flashing issue. They have either ignored it, or said "we won't fix it".

LG is different, and better. They are doing their best to implement a workaround and have gone back to solve the unintended gamma change which resulted from the first attempt. I know many people are running out of patience which is understandable. But, we are the lucky ones. We will get our improved firmware. It won't be perfect, but it will be the best that this hardware can do (never forget the inherent strengths and weaknesses of OLED technology). The non-LG OLED owners will not get anything, and they are stuck with the near-black chroma overshoot flashing issue for the whole lifetime of their TVs.
Are Sony and other Manufacturers 2018 OLED screens also plagued with this near black chroma overshoot issue?

Just asking if you know. Thanks.
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Most people I know can't tell the difference between SD and HD. Even when I show them an A/B comparison! We are the unusual people
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Are Sony and other Manufacturers 2018 OLED screens also plagued with this near black chroma overshoot issue?



Just asking if you know. Thanks.
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Just asking if you know. Thanks.
No, AFAIK, on the opposite, it is reported as peculiar to LG sw. I cannot remember owners/testers of Sony/Panasonic Oled reporting that. Maybe @mrtickleuk can point to any of those.

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Are Sony and other Manufacturers 2018 OLED screens also plagued with this near black chroma overshoot issue?
Yes otherwise I would not have written that post(!). Sony and the other manufacturers do not make OLED screens, that's the whole point. They buy their panels from LG who is the only manufacturer in the world making them at large sizes. It's been documented endlessly. See the dedicated thread here , the discussed within, and the R-Tings tests.
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No, AFAIK, on the opposite, it is reported as peculiar to LG sw. I cannot remember owners/testers of Sony/Panasonic Oled reporting that. Maybe @mrtickleuk can point to any of those.
Not correct, sorry. R-Tings has filmed panels of the different manufacturers side by side and they ALL have the issue, since it's in the hardware. It's discussed ad nauseam in the thread I linked to so I'm baffled why it's suddenly being re-opened.

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Not correct, sorry. R-Tings has filmed panels of the different manufacturers side by side and they ALL have the issue, since it's in the hardware. It's discussed ad nauseam in the thread I linked to so I'm baffled why it's suddenly being re-opened.
Can you please link to one of them? I am referring this

I am not referring at all the issue that exists on all digital TV of macro/micro blocks, very evident with compressed video

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Thankyou @jk82 for finding it so quickly . For those of us who've been following this issue for almost a year, it's a little bit irksome to suddenly have all the discussion re-opened and re-questioned. For newbies, I would urge you to read the dedicated thread for more technical information.

@ebr9999 yes that is the same issue, which is why I try to use Vincent's name for it every chance I get, and it is a fact that it is present in every 2018 LG Display OLED panel which means ALSO those sold to every manufacturer in the world selling OLED televisions. It is wrong that it was reported to be caused by a "firmware issue" on LG Electronics' TVs only - as proved by the R-Ting video and not just that, the R-Tings overshoot readings in their reviews (dissected in the dedicated thread). The firmware we are all waiting for works around (but not solves) the underlying hardware issue. And I repeat again, we are lucky because we are getting this work-around, Sony, Panasonic, Philips etc OLED owners will not. People moaning about the delay need to remember that! HTH
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I wasn't even thinking of a "high end LCD/LED," for the "average Joe six-pack" is usually content with a Walmart/Costco special.
Like a sound bar instead of a surround sound system. Content partly cause they do not know the difference , partly cause they do not want to spend more money!
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No new firmware update for the C8, correct ? I checked today on my tv there was none . Anybody in USA get the new firmware update yet? I thought it would be there by now!
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No new firmware update for the C8, correct ? I checked today on my tv there was none . Anybody in USA get the new firmware update yet? I thought it would be there by now!
Just read the last few pages and you'll have your answer and then some!
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Like a sound bar instead of a surround sound system. Content partly cause they do not know the difference , partly cause they do not want to spend more money!

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LMAO! I think that qualifies as the most ignorant statement ever made on AVS Forums.


Yeah, this opens another can of worms.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with built in TV speakers. They serve their purpose same like using CVS earphones vs let’s say B&O.

Not everyone requires absolutely best and fullest sound and quite frankly most of us can’t take advantage of one.

Especially those living in bigger cities with paper thin walls can’t appreciate 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound without somebody calling the police when sound is too loud.

I didn’t invest into crazy sound setup myself, started small with a Sonos soundbar (which it’s great “for me” on its own) and added additional speakers for a 5.1 channel audio.

I can’t even appreciate them with my current apartment room sandwiched between two others and anything over 10-15% of sound generates either knocking or “shut the fu.... music” though the wall

At times I revert to good pair of spatial headphones and see that trend more popular with “personal” viewing or listening experience using VR headsets.

So let’s stop criticizing built in speakers, cheap-o EarPods, soundbars or dedicated HTS and enjoy what we have :-)

In the end, don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to be arrogant or ignorant. We all invest into what works for us and this forum is all about it - choices. Not only the high end ones!


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LMAO! I think that qualifies as the most ignorant statement ever made on AVS Forums.
Comment written by someone who owns a sound bar.
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I am one of the lucky ones with a near perfect panel. No banding, very uniform panel, no stuck pixels. My panel looks perfect on .15, no chrominance overshoot. I tried .55 and saw the crush, so I went back to .15 and have no complaints. Gamma at bt.1886

Well one complaint and one annoyance. Wish the tv would stop asking me to upgrade to .55, I don’t want to.

Wish lg would solve the delayed Dolby audio over ARC problem that has been an issue for a few years now, but I work around it.

Otherwise happy as can be. Watching this tv is pure pleasure and I spend my work days looking at broadcast reference monitors being fed uncompressed HD-SDI video.

Ps. I use a 3.1 sound bar. Good enough for my apartment. Used to have 1000 watt 7.1 system in my house but it was over kill in apartment and would have made for upset neighbors.
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I am one of the lucky ones with a near perfect panel. No banding, very uniform panel, no stuck pixels. My panel looks perfect on .15, no chrominance overshoot. I tried .55 and saw the crush, so I went back to .15 and have no complaints. Gamma at bt.1886

Well one complaint and one annoyance. Wish the tv would stop asking me to upgrade to .55, I don’t want to.

Wish lg would solve the delayed Dolby audio over ARC problem that has been an issue for a few years now, but I work around it.

Otherwise happy as can be. Watching this tv is pure pleasure and I spend my work days looking at broadcast reference monitors being fed uncompressed HD-SDI video.

Ps. I use a 3.1 sound bar. Good enough for my apartment. Used to have 1000 watt 7.1 system in my house but it was over kill in apartment and would have made for upset neighbors.
sorry to upset those with sound bars. I Could not be happy With one , but we are all not in the same situation that is for sure.
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Yeah, this opens another can of worms.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with built in TV speakers. They serve their purpose same like using CVS earphones vs let’s say B&O.

Not everyone requires absolutely best and fullest sound and quite frankly most of us can’t take advantage of one.

Especially those living in bigger cities with paper thin walls can’t appreciate 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound without somebody calling the police when sound is too loud.

I didn’t invest into crazy sound setup myself, started small with a Sonos soundbar (which it’s great “for me” on its own) and added additional speakers for a 5.1 channel audio.

I can’t even appreciate them with my current apartment room sandwiched between two others and anything over 10-15% of sound generates either knocking or “shut the fu.... music” though the wall

At times I revert to good pair of spatial headphones and see that trend more popular with “personal” viewing or listening experience using VR headsets.

So let’s stop criticizing built in speakers, cheap-o EarPods, soundbars or dedicated HTS and enjoy what we have :-)

In the end, don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to be arrogant or ignorant. We all invest into what works for us and this forum is all about it - choices. Not only the high end ones!


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Sorry if I offended people with sound bars, I realize I am lucky to be in a house I can push the sound high without complaints. Having really good sound enhances the experience of watching a LG 77” OLED. But not everyone’s living experience is the same. Have a great day .
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Sorry if I offended people with sound bars, I realize I am lucky to be in a house I can push the sound high without complaints. Having really good sound enhances the experience of watching a LG 77” OLED. But not everyone’s living experience is the same. Have a great day .


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If you have bothered to read the (lengthy) discussion we had several weeks ago regarding the current firmware, you would have seen that quite a few members, including ME, said that our display looks awesome with "high quality content," but that there are still times when there is "black crush." Granted, the tweaking of the White Balance gamma settings help, but NOT in all circumstances. I still see black crush at times, even in "some" high quality UHD/1080p Blu-rays or while streaming, but mostly in satellite broadcasts.

It is NOT unreasonable for us to want, and in measure to demand, a FIX. We all paid hard-earned money (at least mine was "hard-earned money") for our display and we should be able to expect excellent PQ in ALL "high quality content." When I bought my C877 it was already on the .31 FW which had black crush, but everyone that had the .15 FW boasted that this problem was non-existent with that update. All we are asking LG for is to give us similar PQ with a new update.
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I was happy to simulate 77 inches on my 65 C8’s. I moved the couch 2 ft closer


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LMAO! I think that qualifies as the most ignorant statement ever made on AVS Forums.
Hmm, not sure. There's stiff competition for that particular accolade.

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