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Native Motion. Exchange LG C8 for another OLED. That much difference.

Are there people who have seen 24p content on multiple oled TV's? Is native motion that much of a difference between TV's? And we are speaking money difference of 400-500 euro's or dollars. How many people are using native motion on there Oled tv's?
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Question regarding "Real Cinema" option. If I check an HDR movie through the nvidia shield (Kodi), I notice that "Real Cinema" is greyed out in Standard mode. however in the expert modes I can enable or disable it. True motion is out in both cases.

If real cinema is greyed out, is it always off? Cause it's ON and greyed out in Standard mode. I was also able to have a greyed out OFF, that's why I'm wondering.

Not sure if I see a lot of difference.
Anyone who has a clue?
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Are there people who have seen 24p content on multiple oled TV's? Is native motion that much of a difference between TV's? And we are speaking money difference of 400-500 euro's or dollars. How many people are using native motion on there Oled tv's?
I only use that. Realcinema is On, trumotion is off. I haven't seen any other oled TV, but I doubt that there's a difference between them.

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3000+ hours.. so looks like a demo unit?

How many hours should a new TV have on it? Less than an hour? Or do they do run the tv before selling?

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That is a demo. Got mine on 1st week of April and I watched at least 4hrs daily during weekdays and at at least 10 hrs during weekend and total is just about 450hrs

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Do not overlook Jeff Meier of Accu Cal. He spent 7 hours at my place today calibrating my 65" and 77" C8s. The results are spectacular. I couldn't be happier and the time spent with him was a pleasure start to finish. He is in the master list or easy to find with a google search.

edit: I had been on fw .55 so I went into the SM for the first time and updated both C8s to the 05.20.00 fw before the calibration. The pre-calibration testing of that fw had the gamma curve surprisingly close to target and the rgb were not far off from 100%. Post-calibration results from Jeff's efforts got both to dead on target. Again results are spectacular in the 2 SDR plus 1 HDR and 1 Dolby Vision picture modes he worked on for both C8s. I will not be updating the firmware hereafter most likely ever again.
I went to the service menu using my Logitech remote. What do I do to put the set into Engineering Mode?
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Question regarding "Real Cinema" option. If I check an HDR movie through the nvidia shield (Kodi), I notice that "Real Cinema" is greyed out in Standard mode. however in the expert modes I can enable or disable it. True motion is out in both cases.

If real cinema is greyed out, is it always off? Cause it's ON and greyed out in Standard mode. I was also able to have a greyed out OFF, that's why I'm wondering.

Not sure if I see a lot of difference.
Real Cinema is for retrieving 24 frames content from source sending 60p or 60i content.

It is implicitly switched on and grayed out if you have TruMotion enabled.
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I like the “soap opera” effect. It feels more
Immersive to me. What are the “smoothest” settings for UHD/BRD? Are all discs 24p whether a movie or a ported TV show?
I can’t stand the quality of steaming media on this TV so I’m going full physical.
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3000+ hours.. so looks like a demo unit?

How many hours should a new TV have on it? Less than an hour? Or do they do run the tv before selling?
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3000+ hours Return it. You got swindled if it was sold as new. A new set should have maybe 1 or 2 hours on it. I never checked mine when it was delivered but when I did, the hours seemed about right. Where did you purchase it? Just curious.
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Ya that is pretty darn crazy, hopefully there was some kind of human error and the guy got the wrong unit, otherwise that's just wrong.
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Real Cinema is for retrieving 24 frames content from source sending 60p or 60i content.

It is implicitly switched on and grayed out if you have TruMotion enabled.
Hmm, I read other things online, like it's used for 24p and 60i content, it should do a 5:5 for 24fps content (almost all movies are like this).

TruMotion is off, so I'm trying to figure out why HDR video content in "Standard" mode has this option always greyed out (but set to ON) - also when trumotion is disabled - while for example in "Cinema Home" mode it's configurable.

I also wonder if it's grayed out it's disabled by default or not.
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For those who have wall mounted their C8's (i have the 65 inch), what wall mount did you use? Did you do it yourself or use a service?

I'm a Costco shopper so I've been looking at their Sanus and MW mounts here:
https://www.costco.com/SANUS-Simplic...100400168.html
https://www.costco.com/MW-Mounts-42%...100035597.html

And they have the service as well here: https://www.costco.com/Handy-Premier...100487971.html

Anyone have experience with Sanus or MW mounts? Or costco's moutning service?
Unsure which brand to go with. Definitely want full motion swivel+tilt.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this.
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Are there people who have seen 24p content on multiple oled TV's? Is native motion that much of a difference between TV's? And we are speaking money difference of 400-500 euro's or dollars. How many people are using native motion on there Oled tv's?
Yes. Notable difference between 8 series and previous generations. Also, notable difference between 8 series and Sony OLED. Apparently, 9 series is notably better than 8 series and closer to Sony OLED.


Improved native 24p motion handling is likely due to increasingly superior frame blending algorithms.

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For those who have wall mounted their C8's (i have the 65 inch), what wall mount did you use? Did you do it yourself or use a service?

I'm a Costco shopper so I've been looking at their Sanus and MW mounts here:
https://www.costco.com/SANUS-Simplic...100400168.html
https://www.costco.com/MW-Mounts-42%...100035597.html

And they have the service as well here: https://www.costco.com/Handy-Premier...100487971.html

Anyone have experience with Sanus or MW mounts? Or costco's moutning service?
Unsure which brand to go with. Definitely want full motion swivel+tilt.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this.

I used a Sanus one I got on sale at best buy - works really well. I basically set it and haven't touched it since.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sanus-p...?skuId=5463301
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Hello, I'm new to the OLED TV world. Please forgive me if I screw-up. I bought the Walmart C8Pua for $999. I was told it was NIB. I checked the usage hours - 8500 hrs. I called Walmart, they said sorry return for refund. I did the solid color burn-in test. Yes has burnin/image retention. Contacted LG and sent in all picts and docs. LG ok'ed a new panel. It is set to install next week. LG also sent new remote. I am still not certain if I want to keep the set , or not. I've read that panel/TV life is 100,000 hours. My concern is that I am setting myself up for near future problems because of high hours. Are there any other components that could be weakened/stressed by the high hour usage? Beautiful TV, just worried about reliability. I also bought 3 year Walmart/Allstate/SquareTrade warranty. Any advice? Thanks
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Hello, I'm new to the OLED TV world. Please forgive me if I screw-up. I bought the Walmart C8Pua for $999. I was told it was NIB. I checked the usage hours - 8500 hrs. I called Walmart, they said sorry return for refund. I did the solid color burn-in test. Yes has burnin/image retention. Contacted LG and sent in all picts and docs. LG ok'ed a new panel. It is set to install next week. LG also sent new remote. I am still not certain if I want to keep the set , or not. I've read that panel/TV life is 100,000 hours. My concern is that I am setting myself up for near future problems because of high hours. Are there any other components that could be weakened/stressed by the high hour usage? Beautiful TV, just worried about reliability. I also bought 3 year Walmart/Allstate/SquareTrade warranty. Any advice? Thanks

That was a demo model and something that I would personally never purchase for that very reason. You just never know how demo models are treated by customers, especially in a place like Walmart.

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That was a demo model and something that I would personally never purchase for that very reason. You just never know how demo models are treated by customers, especially in a place like Walmart.
I was at BestBuy a couple of weeks ago and the 77C8 had burn-in that resulted (according to the salesperson) from the continuous display of the LG supplied demo.
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If I was told the truth about the TV , I never would have bought it. I'm just trying to decide to keep a demo with new panel , or return. I am trying to find out if, other than panel issues, are there other components that might be a problem later. No one has a crystal ball to see possible problems, just wondering what else might go out next.
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I went to the service menu using my Logitech remote. What do I do to put the set into Engineering Mode?

Press In-Start and 0413 to enter the SM. Be aware that doing so may void any Warranty and any mistakes you make could brick your TV.


When you enter the SM there are 3 columns with the top of the 2nd being the starting position. Scroll down to System 2 then scroll right over to the 3rd column and scroll down to NSU where to the right of that it will say User Mode. Scroll right to Engineering Mode. Then push In-Start twice to exit the SM. With your User settings General - About this TV - set Auto Updates to ON and it will tell you it found 05.10.00 firmware. You have to update to it first then restart your TV. Back to About this TV and let it then find the 05.20.00 firmware to update to it and restart your TV again. Go back into the SM to System 2 over to NSU and change back to User Mode, and again click In-Start twice to get out of SM.

Don't browse around in there just do it and leave it. But go slow and be careful. It is very easy to scroll to the wrong options and change something inadvertently according to others who made mistakes in the SM.

Change your auto update setting back to OFF if you want to.


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^^ @tlnixon : "If you were told the truth about the TV.."? From the experts at Walmart, huh!
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If I was told the truth about the TV , I never would have bought it. I'm just trying to decide to keep a demo with new panel , or return. I am trying to find out if, other than panel issues, are there other components that might be a problem later. No one has a crystal ball to see possible problems, just wondering what else might go out next.

The first clue was that the tv was not in a box (I'm assuming that's what NIB meant). If it's not in a box, then why? You are correct in that no one knows what other issues, if any may present themselves down the road. However, 8500 hours is a lot of on time, static imagry, and folks fiddling with controls etc.

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If I was told the truth about the TV , I never would have bought it. I'm just trying to decide to keep a demo with new panel , or return. I am trying to find out if, other than panel issues, are there other components that might be a problem later. No one has a crystal ball to see possible problems, just wondering what else might go out next.
If they told you this was a new unit then they committed outright fraud and you deserve an entirely new unit. I wouldn't settle for replacement parts.
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The set was sealed and taped closed. I asked two different Walmart clerks if this was a new TV, they assured me that it was. I have spoken to the manager and she said they do not have any more in the store. She was not very helpful. She said that they would not sell an extended warranty on a demo set. Their info was that it was not a demo set. Just return for refund, you have 90 days. I'll see how it looks after the new panel is installed.
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Do not overlook Jeff Meier of Accu Cal. He spent 7 hours at my place today calibrating my 65" and 77" C8s...
Congrats on the calibration. Did he use a Photo Research PR-670 to calibrate or to profile another meter for the calibration? If he did, can you share the pre-calibration xyY (or just xy) values for the Primary colors? I am just curious to see what the PR-670 reads for the primaries since it is so accurate, especially compared to my own meters.

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The set was sealed and taped closed. I asked two different Walmart clerks if this was a new TV, they assured me that it was. I have spoken to the manager and she said they do not have any more in the store. She was not very helpful. She said that they would not sell an extended warranty on a demo set. Their info was that it was not a demo set. Just return for refund, you have 90 days. I'll see how it looks after the new panel is installed.

Walmart, 'nuff said. If she is willing to give you a complete refund on the tv that they fraudulently sold you, then I'd return it and never shop at Walmart again. Once you install the new panel, Walmart might not take it back because it has been "serviced", especially if other issues crop up within the 90 day window or after. Why is LG sending you a new remote as well? Did you not get a remote with the tv? Cut your losses and just return it. You'll sleep better at night.

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I like the “soap opera” effect. It feels more
Immersive to me. What are the “smoothest” settings for UHD/BRD? Are all discs 24p whether a movie or a ported TV show?
I can’t stand the quality of steaming media on this TV so I’m going full physical.
Strange. The absolute first setting I turned off or lowered on my E8 was the de-blur and de-judder settings. I was appalled at the picture before I did this. I swear Bruce Willis in Die Hard looked like a puppet out of Team America it was so un-lifelike. I've been watching almost all streaming on my set. Always amazed at the high quality of the image.
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The set was sealed and taped closed. I asked two different Walmart clerks if this was a new TV, they assured me that it was. I have spoken to the manager and she said they do not have any more in the store. She was not very helpful. She said that they would not sell an extended warranty on a demo set. Their info was that it was not a demo set. Just return for refund, you have 90 days. I'll see how it looks after the new panel is installed.
Return, get a refund and buy from some place else.

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Congrats on the calibration. Did he use a Photo Research PR-670 to calibrate or to profile another meter for the calibration? If he did, can you share the pre-calibration xyY (or just xy) values for the Primary colors? I am just curious to see what the PR-670 reads for the primaries since it is so accurate, especially compared to my own meters.

Don't make me act like a Middle School tease. My pre-calibation numbers for my panel compared to your own regardless of what meter you have couldn't tell you a thing of any significance.

All I will share is that the calibration was done using the PR-670 and Jeff does not use Calman auto cal software. Jeff did not make me sign an NDA, so I know he trusts that I will not be privately or publicly sharing any results of his work other than general comments regarding my satisfaction that my money was well spent. The detailed calibrations that hobbyists and others may post that you can find in the FAQ I thought were pretty good previously and worth every penny they cost users. If you are in the market for what a PR-670 can do, I highly recommend hiring Jeff or looking on eBay for one. Cheers.


edit: I will also say this; I think the pre-calibration default PM settings I looked at after updating to the 05.20.00 firmware looked even better than the adjusted settings provided by @chronitis and @jk82 in the FAQ. So, I am sure that the upcoming official release firmware will be a marked improvement and "pretty, pretty good" as in awesome to the average owner of a C8.
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Hello, I'm new to the OLED TV world. Please forgive me if I screw-up. I bought the Walmart C8Pua for $999. I was told it was NIB. I checked the usage hours - 8500 hrs. I called Walmart, they said sorry return for refund. I did the solid color burn-in test. Yes has burnin/image retention. Contacted LG and sent in all picts and docs. LG ok'ed a new panel. It is set to install next week. LG also sent new remote. I am still not certain if I want to keep the set , or not. I've read that panel/TV life is 100,000 hours. My concern is that I am setting myself up for near future problems because of high hours. Are there any other components that could be weakened/stressed by the high hour usage? Beautiful TV, just worried about reliability. I also bought 3 year Walmart/Allstate/SquareTrade warranty. Any advice? Thanks
You got a steal of a price plus a new screen. It’s like winning the lottery haha. Display models are not like typical viewing so you will be fine. It’s only a problem if you always watch the same channel with same logo for many many hours. There’s lots of oled with much more then 10000 hours with zero burn in.
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You got a steal of a price plus a new screen. It’s like winning the lottery haha. Display models are not like typical viewing so you will be fine. It’s only a problem if you always watch the same channel with same logo for many many hours. There’s lots of oled with much more then 10000 hours with zero burn in.
In my case , the LG customer service has been great. I called tech support because the magic dot/assistant was not working and after several tests said it was defective and sent a new one. It's good to know there some OLED owners that have a lot of hours on their sets without issues. And I do have extra warranty if any other part might fail. I know it's a chance , but I'll probably keep it.
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I must (reluctantly) give up my dedicated HT space due to a move to a small condo. I’m going with a Sennheiser Ambeo soundbar (my first soundbar). Prior to this, I’ve spent no time educating myself in the vagaries of ARC and EARC, but my question is simple: can I not plug all my sources into the soundbar and use its HDMI out to display the video, including 4k HDR on my LG 77” C8? I don’t need the LG to reroute the audio to a receiver or processor. If so, do I need to use input 2 (labeled ARC) or will any input serve?


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I must (reluctantly) give up my dedicated HT space due to a move to a small condo. I’m going with a Sennheiser Ambeo soundbar (my first soundbar). Prior to this, I’ve spent no time educating myself in the vagaries of ARC and EARC, but my question is simple: can I not plug all my sources into the soundbar and use its HDMI out to display the video, including 4k HDR on my LG 77” C8? I don’t need the LG to reroute the audio to a receiver or processor. If so, do I need to use input 2 (labeled ARC) or will any input serve?


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As long as it has hdr pass through you should be good , the only reason to use the arc port is if you need to get sound returned from the internal apps or ota tuner .


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