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In regard to the settings discussion today it would be interesting if someone with the proper calibration tools could use Chronitis’s and or Rtings settings on their set to show the results of how those settings measured on their set. That way all owners could see the effects of copying settings. I realize that is a time consuming endeavor but it might be useful. I know Reference Home Theater did a similar test in 2013 on the Panasonic VT60 and found in a small sample size that the copied settings were really no better that the factory THX modes.


If I had an open slot I would do it for sure but don’t
want to do a factory reset and lose my 3dluts . I have an E8 coming for the bedroom today I can post some default setting scans vs rtings settings .


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Is there a way, in the C8 TVs, to backup and restore the user's settings (image, audio, network, channel lists...), by means of files on external USB disk or key or something like that?

Maybe the question has already been asked (in which case I'm sorry for the repeat), but 600 pages are a bit too many to search... :]
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Thank you. IMHO this guy is soooooooo right. In the past I had my VT30 plasma calibrated. I was looking forward to it to finally have the ' best' picture possible. Although the calibrator was a real professional guy after he left I was very very disappointed. It took two hours before I started to change settings.
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Is there a way, in the C8 TVs, to backup and restore the user's settings (image, audio, network, channel lists...), by means of files on external USB disk or key or something like that?

Maybe the question has already been asked (in which case I'm sorry for the repeat), but 600 pages are a bit too many to search... :]


Not that I am aware of , would be a nice feature . You can lock the user settings .


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I haven't read about something like this in various reviews. What settings are you using, or do you have another display that you're using to confirm that it's not from the source? I'm not really familiar with LG, but I'd start with similar settings given by the following review sites. I'd ignore the white balance settings from Rtings and Flatpanelshd, since those will vary between TVs as indicated by Cnet, but otherwise something like these settings is probably a decent starting point.


https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled/settings
https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussi...15571660509853
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1559035462
Thanks for the links, I'll have a look. My settings are Image Mode Standard (User) with settings:
Contrast 89
Brightness 56
sharpness 15
Color 43
Tint 0
Dynamic contrast: Low
Dynamic Colour: Low
Colour range: wide
Super resolution: low
Gamma: Mid

NR: low
MPEG NR: low
black level: low
Motion Eye Care: on
Tru motion: off

But please believe me that altering any of these settings won't solve this blown highlights issue.

I have a plasma TV that does not exhibit the issue with the exact same source.
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Which video mode are you using?

If you're up for adjusting the gamma, I suppose that you have the wit to not be running "vivid" (aka "torch") mode.
Certainly not LOL. I always stay away from vivid as I like my picture as natural as possible.

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Do you notice this in situations other than sports? I've seen plenty of this while watching football, and it's definitely a broadcast/mastering issue, not an issue with the TV.
Yes I notice it in lots of different broadcast types. Generally speaking if there is controlled lighting like in a studio (talk show, sit com, news) or a movie it's OK. But live shows in daylight are the worst.
I also noticed the issue when watching Eurovision song contest as the male presenter wore a black suit with a white shirt. Many blown out highlights in the shirt.

With blown out highlights I mean that the histogram is cut off at the right end (= light end). It's like a JPEG photo taken by a phone or other inferior camera and there is too much contrast to handle. The result is a picture that has light areas that are pure white (100% white) with no texture at all, like clouds or white clothing.
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That model is discontinued, within a month or two, those will be gone forever, might want to start looking at the E9's........
Nah, I'm good thanks. I want to save money and this isn't a x9 thread mate.
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Nah, I'm good thanks. I want to save money and this isn't a x9 thread mate.


That was a sales pitch in case you didn’t pick up on it


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Thanks for the links, I'll have a look. My settings are Image Mode Standard (User) with settings:

Contrast 89

Brightness 56

sharpness 15

Color 43

Tint 0

Dynamic contrast: Low

Dynamic Colour: Low

Colour range: wide

Super resolution: low

Gamma: Mid



NR: low

MPEG NR: low

black level: low

Motion Eye Care: on

Tru motion: off



But please believe me that altering any of these settings won't solve this blown highlights issue.



I have a plasma TV that does not exhibit the issue with the exact same source.



Certainly not LOL. I always stay away from vivid as I like my picture as natural as possible.





Yes I notice it in lots of different broadcast types. Generally speaking if there is controlled lighting like in a studio (talk show, sit com, news) or a movie it's OK. But live shows in daylight are the worst.

I also noticed the issue when watching Eurovision song contest as the male presenter wore a black suit with a white shirt. Many blown out highlights in the shirt.



With blown out highlights I mean that the histogram is cut off at the right end (= light end). It's like a JPEG photo taken by a phone or other inferior camera and there is too much contrast to handle. The result is a picture that has light areas that are pure white (100% white) with no texture at all, like clouds or white clothing.


Have you thought about using a mode other than standard ? What are are seeing is usually a byproduct of having contrast set too high . Also you brightness setting seems to high what firmware are you on ?

From what I have seen standard has a pretty strong bias towards blue that may be a contributing factor also .

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About of copying settings from unit to unit, from respected David Mackenzie:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160711070401/http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=7202.0

What comes to x8 series, those are pre-adjusted pretty close to standards depends how you like it, metameric corrected warm1 or D65 warm2.
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Have you thought about using a mode other than standard ? What are are seeing is usually a byproduct of having contrast set too high . Also you brightness setting seems to high what firmware are you on ?
Yes I tried all modes and shifted contrast and brightness up and down for quite some time.

My family members don't complain and they only notice when I tell them what to look for. But they aren't photographers.

My firmware version is 04.10.10.
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With blown out highlights I mean that the histogram is cut off at the right end (= light end). It's like a JPEG photo taken by a phone or other inferior camera and there is too much contrast to handle. The result is a picture that has light areas that are pure white (100% white) with no texture at all, like clouds or white clothing.

At default settings the TV shouldn't cause any clipping/blown out highlights.
Why don't you just check out a white clipping and a color clipping test pattern? That will tell you if it's the TV that is causing the blown out highlights or the content.

This free test pattern set has clipping pattern:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...libration.html
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Yes I tried all modes and shifted contrast and brightness up and down for quite some time.



My family members don't complain and they only notice when I tell them what to look for. But they aren't photographers.



My firmware version is 04.10.10.


Brightness is black level has nothing to do with white clipping , you should only be setting that with a pluge pattern , and as jk says above use a pattern to check for white clipping.


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Thanks for the settings for ISF Dark.
Do you have any for ISF Bright ?
Thank you.
The previous settings of @chronitis for the ISF dark, I applied it with ISF bright except for the oled light and gamma and it looks great for me vs the default ISF bright setting. I will apply also the new dark setting to the bright. You can try and check if it will look good for you.

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Brightness is black level has nothing to do with white clipping , you should only be setting that with a pluge pattern , and as jk says above use a pattern to check for white clipping.
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Yes I will. I just downloaded the patterns package and I found the "ramp.ts" pattern which I will test on my C8 as soon as I get home. The question is: which setting do I use to adjust?

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Yes I will. I just downloaded the patterns package and I found the "ramp.ts" pattern which I will test on my C8 as soon as I get home.

'White clipping' in the basic settings folder and 'color clipping' in the misc-additional folder is what you should use...
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I wonder if you guys will know, if anybody can riddle me this:
I bought a OLED 65C8PTA over here in Thailand.
I am on FW 4.10.25.
My set is not connected to the internet, NOR WILL IT BE.
LG Thailand caters ONLY to the Thai person, they can barely communicate at all in English and when I ask them for FW update info, they say connect to the internet and let it tell you when to update.
My understanding is that I can update FW (when available, when needed) by USB stick, as I always do for every other piece of equipment I have in my home theater.
My question is this: can I use the FW available on the LG USA site for the US version of the tv? Or should I go to a UK site where the tv will at least also be a 220-240VAC machine? Will it make any difference? Do I need to get my FW from Hong Kong or S'pore?
Does anyone know?
And pls don't tell me to connect to the net like LG keeps telling me, I value my privacy too much for that.
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Thanks for the links, I'll have a look.
I mis-read the thread title, here are the C8 settings from the same sites. As before, I would ignore the White Balance and Color Space Settings given by Rtings and the high and low white balance from Flatpanelshd.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c8-oled/settings
https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussi...15248535740553
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1525423234

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But please believe me that altering any of these settings won't solve this blown highlights issue.
There are a lot of settings here, so I'd expect some of them to affect near white performance to some extent. People in this owners thread likely know a lot more about this TV than me, but based on the gradient comments from Rtings, Noise Reduction and MPEG Noise Reduction are a couple that I'd look into. Across the board it looks like the same picture mode was used and dynamic contrast was set to off, so those would be a couple others that I would look at first. All of the best reviews measure TVs, so if near white performance on OLED was a significant issue I would have expected it to be discussed somewhere, yet Rtings has this TV in the top gradient tier with only a few models rated higher.

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The question is: which setting do I use to adjust?
I think LG calls their white-level control contrast. It looks like all three reviewers ended up at the same contrast setting, but typically other settings could come into play to some extent, so there are other settings from the reviews that I'd also consider.
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All of the best reviews measure TVs, so if near white performance on OLED was a significant issue I would have expected it to be discussed somewhere, yet it looks like Rtings has this TV in the top gradient tier with only a few models rated higher.
Yes thanks this is what gives me hope. I usually manage to find the right settings in electronics appliances but this one is tough. I am currently downloading the AVCHD-2d.7z package and will look into the basic settings folder. Thanks for the updated links too! You're a great help here.
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The previous settings of @chronitis for the ISF dark, I applied it with ISF bright except for the oled light and gamma and it looks great for me

I hope you (and others) understand that by modifying those settings you also alter the colors. That means the copied "calibrated" settings are no longer valid at all! It's like entering completely random numbers.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not telling not to do this, I only tell you that do *not* believe that the settings are correct! And they are *not* even on the original set anymore either.

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I hope you (and others) understand that by modifying those settings you also alter the colors. That means the copied "calibrated" settings are no longer valid at all! It's like entering completely random numbers.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not telling not to do this, I only tell you that do *not* believe that the settings are correct! (Not even on the original set.)
Validity is objective imho, if you are OC with numbers using meter then it might be invalid if not 100% accurate but if you just want what PQ is great with your eyes then whatever pleases it, it's valid for you. I am not OC with numbers like 100% accuracy, what is important for me and probably most average users is what PQ is great in our own eyes and not what others say because of techicalities. This is the reason why we try others settings shared here especially by chronitis, we can apply it and if we don't like it using our eyes and not a meter, we can either adjust to our liking or just roll it back. No harm done nor damage to our tv, it's not permanent and it's free!

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I hope you (and others) understand that by modifying those settings you also alter the colors. That means the copied "calibrated" settings are no longer valid at all! It's like entering completely random numbers.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not telling not to do this, I only tell you that do *not* believe that the settings are correct! And they are *not* even on the original set anymore either.


I tried to make this some argument unsuccessfully yesterday , no one really listened . People are going to believe what they want to believe in the end .


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We are not OC with numbers (100% accuracy) like you are, what is important to us is whatever PQ is great on our eyes besides you are not the one watching on our TV and likewise we are not the one watching on yours. You don't get our differences hence you kept making an argument not to apply others settings.

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We are not OC with numbers (100% accuracy) like you are, what is important to us is whatever PQ is great on our eyes besides you are not the one watching on our TV and likewise we are not the one watching on yours. You don't get our differences hence you kept making an argument not to apply others settings.

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Not really but okay , I am really not going to go down this road again . I have given my opinion we will just agree to disagree .


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I apologize, my question is around a B8, but I figure the answer will be the same and this thread is way more active. I'm having a real hard time getting HDR from my PC to work. I'm not sure what to do. Here's my current setup:

Display port to 1440p/144hz SDR Monitor and HDMI to the LG B8. Resolution is set at 1080p/120hz. When I duplicate the screens, I can't enable HDR in windows at all. When I extend the desktop, it allows me to turn HDR for the LG.

But here's where it gets weird. It will only display on the LG if I turn off Deep Color. The HDR banner pops up, it looks good, then this happens. The OLED will force Deep Color back on after a couple seconds and the display quits working again. I can't figure out anyway to defeat this. The message says something like: To provide best experience Deep Color is being turned on, blah blah blah.

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I bought a OLED 65C8PTA over here in Thailand.
I am on FW 4.10.25.
My set is not connected to the internet, NOR WILL IT BE.
LG Thailand caters ONLY to the Thai person, they can barely communicate at all in English and when I ask them for FW update info, they say connect to the internet and let it tell you when to update.
My understanding is that I can update FW (when available, when needed) by USB stick, as I always do for every other piece of equipment I have in my home theater.
My question is this: can I use the FW available on the LG USA site for the US version of the tv? Or should I go to a UK site where the tv will at least also be a 220-240VAC machine? Will it make any difference? Do I need to get my FW from Hong Kong or S'pore?
Does anyone know?
And pls don't tell me to connect to the net like LG keeps telling me, I value my privacy too much for that.
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I would help if I could, tried to click those hieroglyphs at LG Thailand but seems there is not upgrade for download.
However if I would you, at this state I wouldn´t update since 4.10.25 at there is same as 04.10.15 here.
If and when new fixed firmware appears then you could ask like from Hong Kong. I suppose you need update with specific to Asia area.
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Thanks Make73^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Your term "besserwisser" does that mean smarter than the average bear?????
Ha ha
I imagine you are correct that some Asian site might be best. I am American so I normally look at US sites first.
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Thanks Make73^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Your term "besserwisser" does that mean smarter than the average bear?????
Ha ha
I imagine you are correct that some Asian site might be best. I am American so I normally look at US sites first.
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Something like that yes

Seems that you can download latest firmware for 65C8PTA from here:
https://www.lg.com/nz/support/support-product/lg-OLED65C8#softwareFirmware
Also like from Sri Lanka:
https://www.lg.com/lk/support/suppor...ftwareFirmware

But like said, now I would wait for next release
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The calibrators used to have to go into the SM routinely in order to do the calibration. For example years ago when I had my DLP calibrated. The calibrator in that session went in and out of the SM for 12 hours. He was very persistent and determined to do a perfect job and his efforts were successful. Going into the SM is something that an experienced professional calibrator should be competent enough to do for you.

Now, however, LG focuses on co-ordination with ISF calibrations being done with Calman auto-calibrating software. Reliance on the automatic calibration software unfortunately may lessen the calibrator's skills and confidence to do anything himself directly in the SM. It also unfortunately closes down some abilities for the owner to make subsequent changes via the user menu settings. And when LG makes critical changes to such things as gamma settings via Firmware updates, which then conflicts with the TVs that have had Calman auto-calibrations, the TV calibration may be negated and the TV is no longer accurately calibrated.

Therefore, I would recommend hiring a calibrator that does not rely on Calman auto-calibration software and who has the skills and talents to do his job the old fashioned way = manually calibrating the LG with precision equipment. Such as Jeff Meier of Accu Cal Services.

But any professional calibrator should supply the client with the detailed IRE and color management settings he achieves and documents, So you should be able to get back to the calibration he achieved. Sad to say though, some ISF certified calibrators are not that accommodating. For example, the one who did my Pioneer Kuro plasma some years ago. He was listed with the ISF certified calibrators Web site but he was very inexperienced and unsatisfactory. He also would not provide any documents of the calibration. He said he would email them later to me but never did.

The bottom line is, ISF certification does not really mean a whole lot. It's the calibrators experience and reputation that matters most.

Good luck with yours.


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They then decided to make this functionality also available to pro calibrators and consumers as well.

If LG makes a change to the gamma behavior of the TV, then any calibration would be affected, not just ones done with Auto-cal. This C8 firmware situation is unique in LG OLED’s history, as they have never before released a FW that affected calibrations. They understand the negative outcome this has caused and are working on a fix.

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Thank you Make73, those sites are easily much closer to home here, and the Kiwi site is probably the one I will use.
However, they have a FW (4.10.55) that I am unsure about, could be problematic, as some are reporting, so I will do as you said, and wait for the next update.
Thanks for the kind help,
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