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I take it you can't roll back to previous firmware versions after it's installed
I believe LG blocked the alternative methods to rollback starting with this release but I have not personally tried it
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Welp 05.10.02 seemed to go through fine.

I had it paused on a scene from The Empire Strikes Back blu-ray that looked a little darker than it should have been before the update. After I think I noticed a bit more detail unless it's my imagination. Have to play around with the settings.
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Hmmm...

People who did the manual update, are you having any issues with the microphone button on the remote? When I press it to talk I'm getting the message:

"A temporary issue has occurred while connecting to the server. Please try again later. (6003)".

I never had this error before and the TV's internet connection is working fine otherwise. Wifi connection is on, web browser and streaming works.

Can't roll back to the previous version. I hope it's a problem on LG's end right now and I didn't semi-brick this thing.

After some googling I tried a factory reset and now it works fine. *sssssssshew*

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^^Click top left corner with the magic remote. I found terrestrial antenna and streaming to be the best quality.
I've tried that and I've seen the antenna icon there, but how is that icon meant to "measure" the power or the quality of the signal?
In other words: can you understand, from there, which channel is better of which? How?
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I believe LG blocked the alternative methods to rollback starting with this release but I have not personally tried it
I know some guys where able to roll it back with a program, that was a while ago I read that.
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I updated to the firmware provided a tad earlier in the thread via USB and it seems pretty good from what I can tell thus far. I’d have to put it through more paces but Im not seeing the crush I did before.
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After installing the update and doing a reset, I'm more than satisfied with the picture. I'm not sure which one did the trick.

The factory presets with no changes look way better than when I first got the TV. Sunny scenes look more sunny, colors look better, blacks have more detail. No changes to gamma seem needed. I did turn down the OLED light since it's almost LED vivid at 80 but otherwise it looks better than expected.
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I've tried that and I've seen the antenna icon there, but how is that icon meant to "measure" the power or the quality of the signal?
In other words: can you understand, from there, which channel is better of which? How?

Other than 720p, 1080i, 1080p you do not get more information. But the viewing quality is a whole lot better for OTA and streaming (much more detailed and sharper).
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I updated to the firmware provided a tad earlier in the thread via USB and it seems pretty good from what I can tell thus far. I’d have to put it through more paces but Im not seeing the crush I did before.
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After installing the update and doing a reset, I'm more than satisfied with the picture. I'm not sure which one did the trick.

The factory presets with no changes look way better than when I first got the TV. Sunny scenes look more sunny, colors look better, blacks have more detail. No changes to gamma seem needed. I did turn down the OLED light since it's almost LED vivid at 80 but otherwise it looks better than expected.
Are you all coming from 4.10.15? It would help if you told what fw you’re coming from as well as which few you’re upgrading to. Thanks.
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I updated to the firmware provided a tad earlier in the thread via USB and it seems pretty good from what I can tell thus far. I’️d have to put it through more paces but Im not seeing the crush I did before.
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After installing the update and doing a reset, I'm more than satisfied with the picture. I'm not sure which one did the trick.

The factory presets with no changes look way better than when I first got the TV. Sunny scenes look more sunny, colors look better, blacks have more detail. No changes to gamma seem needed. I did turn down the OLED light since it's almost LED vivid at 80 but otherwise it looks better than expected.
Are you all coming from 4.10.15? It would help if you told what fw you’️re coming from as well as which few you’️re upgrading to. Thanks.
No, I was on .55.
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Are you all coming from 4.10.15? It would help if you told what fw you’re coming from as well as which few you’re upgrading to. Thanks.
I went from 04.10.55 to 05.10.02 that was posted here
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Does anyone know if the US firmware that was posted 2-3 pages before is ok for an european C8 ?
If not, does anyone know where to find the european one ?

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Does anyone know if the US firmware that was posted 2-3 pages before is ok for an european C8 ?

If not, does anyone know where to find the european one ?



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Us & Korean firmware are compatible with us tv's ... European is not.

just keep checking the website or thru the tv.

Any non compatible firmware wouldn't be recognized by the tv anyway and won't install

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Us & Korean firmware are compatible with us tv's ... European is not.

just keep checking the website or thru the tv.

Any non compatible firmware wouldn't be recognized by the tv anyway and won't install

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Hi, just to let you guys know I'm having my television calibrated tomorrow. I'm currently on 5.20, and I'm happy with it. To me it looks as good as it was on 4.10.15, but I'm not an expert. I'll let you guys know what my calibration expert thinks about it. He did tell me that the brightness at default 50 looks right when I ran a test pattern so I'm hopeful.

On another note who here uses the Panny UB820. When you watch a 4k disc in which the most advanced dynamic range is hdr10, do you keep both the lg's dynamic tone mapping on with the panny's hdr optimizer off, vice versa, or both. Has anyone ever done any tests with meters on that? I appreciate any response. Thanks!
I don't own the UB820, so I can only share what I've read. You should not use both. The UB820's optimizer reportedly does a better job than the LG so without performing your own comparison, my understanding is you should use the optimizer and leave LG's DTM off.

For what it's worth, LG's DTM is not universally loved. I personally like it but many others don't.
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Hi, just to let you guys know I'm having my television calibrated tomorrow. I'm currently on 5.20, and I'm happy with it. To me it looks as good as it was on 4.10.15, but I'm not an expert. I'll let you guys know what my calibration expert thinks about it. He did tell me that the brightness at default 50 looks right when I ran a test pattern so I'm hopeful.

On another note who here uses the Panny UB820. When you watch a 4k disc in which the most advanced dynamic range is hdr10, do you keep both the lg's dynamic tone mapping on with the panny's hdr optimizer off, vice versa, or both. Has anyone ever done any tests with meters on that? I appreciate any response. Thanks!
I don't own the UB820, so I can only share what I've read. You should not use both. The UB820's optimizer reportedly does a better job than the LG so without performing your own comparison, my understanding is you should use the optimizer and leave LG's DTM off.

For what it's worth, LG's DTM is not universally loved. I personally like it but many others don't.

I don’t have the UB820 but I do have the UB9000 which also has the optimizer.
When I bought the UB9000, I was told by Robert Zohn from Value Electronics that you should use both, the DTM on the LG and the Optimizer on the player. I guess it is a user preference.
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What about OLED light?

I agree it'll take some getting used to. I came from a smaller Samsung LED that's fairly bright.

It's the loss of detail that concerns me. If I jack up the brightness to the point where details show that were crushed out previously (such as wrinkles/folds in a black or dark blue shirt), then overall blacks aren't "perfect" like they should be. I set the gamma at 1.9 and that definitely brings out more details, but most seem to like 2.2 or higher. I'm wondering if others are seeing a loss of detail at those settings or just not noticing it.
For the brightness, if you want accuracy, then the factory default values are way, WAY too high. My meter readings for my particular panel:



Shown graphically in the below attachment.

The "standard" for mastering SDR content is 2.2, or 2.3, or 2.4. Strictly speaking, if you set gamma at 1.9 you are displaying detail that was not intended to be shown, but of course you could be compensating for other problems elsewhere.

EDIT - I see you not have the newer firmware - cool
There is also a "dark detail" thread with hints and tips on how to eek out extra detail. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...detail-14.html
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I don't own the UB820, so I can only share what I've read. You should not use both. The UB820's optimizer reportedly does a better job than the LG so without performing your own comparison, my understanding is you should use the optimizer and leave LG's DTM off.

For what it's worth, LG's DTM is not universally loved. I personally like it but many others don't.
Thanks! Before the calibration I liked LG's 'Dynamic Tone Mapping' more than Panasonic's 'HDR Optimizer'. Its the opposite post calibration. Btw, calibration is a pretty amazing thing. My calibrator confirmed that I don't have any black crush and that my RGB luminance accuracy on his Calman charts are very rarely so accurate. Post calibration he said everything went really well and we watched some blu ray and 4k blu ray content. We also watched some regular blu ray before the calibration. I couldn't believe how good regular blu ray looked. Before calibration it looked pretty good, but after it was amazing. I guess having Calman adjust gamma, greyscale, and the rgb balance makes a big difference!
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One bug I found with the new FW is black level gets put on "Auto" after an auto comp cycle. Small price to pay for fixed gamma though.
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One bug I found with the new FW is black level gets put on "Auto" after an auto comp cycle. Small price to pay for fixed gamma though.
Did you do a Reset BEFORE or AFTER downloading the new FW Update? By "Reset" I'm referring to the Picture Mode Reset. As with most users, I'm using the Technicolor Expert Mode because it allows you to adjust the Gamma/White Balance setting to compensate (somewhat) for the crushed blacks. I believe I can go back to the 2 Pt. settings (instead of the 20 Pt. settings) with the 05.10.02 FW, but just wondering if it makes a difference when you do the Reset.

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05.20.02 was released on Korean site? If so, can someone share the URL?


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05.10.02 was released. You can go about two or 3 pages back and download from the link that was provided

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05.10.02 was released. You can go about two or 3 pages back and download from the link that was provided

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Rats, then I’m not getting it then :-) im on 05.20.00 so that FW won’t apply to me as its older.

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Anyone try to downgrade the new software 05.10.02?
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If you mean go back to the previous FW it wouldn't let me. Didn't even acknowledge the old version via USB anyway.
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For the brightness, if you want accuracy, then the factory default values are way, WAY too high. My meter readings for my particular panel:



Shown graphically in the below attachment.

The "standard" for mastering SDR content is 2.2, or 2.3, or 2.4. Strictly speaking, if you set gamma at 1.9 you are displaying detail that was not intended to be shown, but of course you could be compensating for other problems elsewhere.

EDIT - I see you not have the newer firmware - cool
There is also a "dark detail" thread with hints and tips on how to eek out extra detail. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...detail-14.html
I'll check out that thread. The overall picture looks better at 2.2 or higher which is where I'm leaving it for now. I should probably get some 4k video before messing with the settings again; the highest I've seen on this TV is 1080p but I'll be upgrading my cable and internet shortly
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I went from 04.10.55 to 05.10.02 that was posted here

I did the same, everything seems to be looking good as I had hoped. Watching ESPN the screen doesn't get as dark as it did all the time, sometimes it does but mostly looks good. I tried to downgrade just to see and I didn't get the option to install new software via the USB using the iphone app like I did before so it appears that it was disabled like others have said.



No worries, I'm happy I installed the version from a couple pages back.
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C8 or C9

Hopefully going to grab a C865 in a few weeks. But, reading this forum, there seems to be a lot of unhappy C8 owners.

Should I wait until I can afford a C9 or does the new C8 firmware fix most of the issues?


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Hopefully going to grab a C865 in a few weeks. But, reading this forum, there seems to be a lot of unhappy C8 owners.

Should I wait until I can afford a C9 or does the new C8 firmware fix most of the issues?


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Just my opinion, but the ones that are happy (myself included) generally tend to post less than those with problems. Sure, there are (/some have) problems, but it would appear that the coming FW update either fixes, or at least greatly mitigates them as they relate to picture quality. To answer your question, if the C9 has specs that matter to you, go for that. If not, the C8 is, again in my opinion, a fantastic TV that will serve me for many years to come.

That's really all the advice I can give, I'm sure other posters will chime in with theirs.
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Hopefully going to grab a C865 in a few weeks. But, reading this forum, there seems to be a lot of unhappy C8 owners.

Should I wait until I can afford a C9 or does the new C8 firmware fix most of the issues?


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When I got mine it was it or a C7. I am very happy with my purchase even though the TV went $400 off what I bought it less than 6mo later. It's like laptops, cell phones, etc. Something new will always come out. I like my electronics to last more than 5 years so I buy what is currently good and hold on to it as long as I can. Yes, eARC lack sucks considering they can just FW update it. But I have my X700 for lossless audio and most of the time the wife doesn't even bother with it anyway. Buy what you can afford and enjoy it.
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