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If possible, I’d like to propose a new topic: Dynamic Tone Mapping.

Do you leave it on for everything or switch off depending upon the source device/media?

I have a Panasonic UB820 and lean towards keeping it off when utilizing the HDR Optimizer.

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It does come packaged with a protective film, if you didn't remove it when you first got it, it should come away easily. Be warned though, pics have circulated of a guy that thought he was removing a secondary protective layer but it turned out he was trying to peel the actual screen off!
Ouch. I guess it's nothing. When you get up close it looks a lot like it shouldn't be there around the edges, but I'd never try to peel something off without at least googling or asking first. If I damaged the screen even a little my apparent OCD would never let me stop getting close to look at it.

One good thing that came out of this is I discovered there was film on the back. I couldn't see it at all when I was setting up the TV, so it ran for 72 hours with the back film on. Hopefully it didn't damage anything.
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This is the SM at System 2 on my C8 65"

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If possible, I’d like to propose a new topic: Dynamic Tone Mapping.
Do you leave it on for everything or switch off depending upon the source device/media?
I always leave it on for HDR10 content on B8, I like the result better with it than without it.

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Interesting, too bad we can no longer downgrade
Can't you use the PC program to downgrade? (Note that I personally never used it.)

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You can use hdmi output of your laptop or raspberry pi pattern Gen. (SDR only)
What about HDR? What is the most affordable way of doing that?


And yes, I also would love to see a video about calibrating SDR and HDR on the C8 in the most affordable way.
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What should we discuss about?
Fw updates and settings for C8 are still specific to C8.

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Firmware updates yes, SM firmware really shouldn't be since you shouldn't be in there in the first place.
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Firmware updates yes, SM firmware really shouldn't be since you shouldn't be in there in the first place.
Why not? It's still regarding C8. And this thread is about C8. Maybe you can create your own thread and limit only what you like? Or apply as moderator so that you remove what you don't like?

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Firmware updates yes, SM firmware really shouldn't be since you shouldn't be in there in the first place.
I agree. SM talk in detail or doing stuff in the SM should be done in the calibration thread or PM.

There is a big risk messing with the SM. One wrong move and TV could be bricked..

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Why not? It's still regarding C8. And this thread is about C8. Maybe you can create your own thread and limit only what you like? Or apply as moderator so that you remove what you don't like?

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Do not sweat these people complaining. They wont respect the fact that we are all adults , and can make our own decisions on how we use the great info we get from this thread.

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No one is complaining, we are trying to avoid people from making mistakes. Less experienced users may not know everything or may not read everything or maybe just plain missed something and then do something that ruins their $3500 TV.

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How could someone interested in going into the service menu not know the risks associated with doing so since posts about the dangers equal posts about the SM? We are all big boys and girls, one should just make sure they are sober when entering the SM - the first time
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No one is complaining, we are trying to avoid people from making mistakes. Less experienced users may not know everything or may not read everything or maybe just plain missed something and then do something that ruins their $3500 TV.

No one is perfect...

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I treat everyone as adult so I assume that everyone knows the risk and it's our decision to make. If someone made a mistake it his fault and not the who posted. besides it's C8 thread and that is still regarding C8

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By OTA I specifically mean the TV updating itself via the internet without any use of the Engineering menu or USB.

But yes, thanks for the correction.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-...#post-27222912 - IanS definitely says 5.10.02

I make this 13 firmware versions so far this year - no-one can say LG aren't trying to fix this!

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fix what?....what they broke with the .31..lol
I fixed it in one shot by reverting back to the .15
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Can't you use the PC program to downgrade? (Note that I personally never used it.)

LgDTVUpDater never worked for downgrading on the 2018 LG TVs. You can get it to recognize the firmware but the TV will refuse to install an older version. The only use of that program is to install test versions without going into the service menu.
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How could someone interested in going into the service menu not know the risks associated with doing so since posts about the dangers equal posts about the SM? We are all big boys and girls, one should just make sure they are sober when entering the SM - the first time
You do need to know how to get in there, so hopefully where ever that is read a warning is in place to not go messing around in there
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How could someone interested in going into the service menu not know the risks associated with doing so since posts about the dangers equal posts about the SM? We are all big boys and girls, one should just make sure they are sober when entering the SM - the first time
Because there are lots of folks who lurk here, not ever posting (for what ever reason), just to find those perfect calibrations settings to apply or fix what ever issues they have, real or perceived, and not ever bother to take the time to read the other SM-related posts. Those of us OCD folks who post and discuss here know all to well the dangers of messing around in the SM, but I've always felt that if someone is going to post a "how to" on entering the SM, they should at the very least also post the dangers of entering the SM with each and every SM post. That way a newbie or first time member has that information at the same time as well. I have seen on numerous occasions newbies entering the SM and actually bricking their tv's, either by hitting the wrong command/option, or entering a command or option that didn't work correctly because their firmware version was different. I sort of look at it as a public service announcement that should be done with each and every post about the SM.

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^^ What is "perfect calibration"? I thought some put meters to it, some use their own tuning method and the others believe in eye of the beholder!
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^^ What is "perfect calibration"? I thought some put meters to it, some use their own tuning method and the others believe in eye of the beholder!
If there isn't a meter involved, then it isn't calibration.

Just fiddling with settings isn't calibration. It may improve your result in a way you like though.

My TV has settings based on recommendations found here, but it sure isn't calibrated.
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Why not? It's still regarding C8. And this thread is about C8. Maybe you can create your own thread and limit only what you like? Or apply as moderator so that you remove what you don't like?

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Simply put, as a responsible member of AVS, if you are going to post information about entering the SM for any reason, you should also post the negative aspects of doing such with each post for the newbies and/or lurkers who don't bother to read the countless other SM posts and just want a quick fix.

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Ouch. I guess it's nothing. When you get up close it looks a lot like it shouldn't be there around the edges, but I'd never try to peel something off without at least googling or asking first. If I damaged the screen even a little my apparent OCD would never let me stop getting close to look at it.

One good thing that came out of this is I discovered there was film on the back. I couldn't see it at all when I was setting up the TV, so it ran for 72 hours with the back film on. Hopefully it didn't damage anything.
You couldn't see THEM. Remember, there are THREE pieces. From your wording I'm worried you have only removed the middle piece.

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fix what?..
they were mostly Engineering releases, not full releases, so you would have to ask LG. They are intended for internal use, etc.


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fix what?....what they broke with the .31
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Simply put, as a responsible member of AVS, if you are going to post information about entering the SM for any reason, you should also post the negative aspects of doing such with each post for the newbies and/or lurkers who don't bother to read the countless other SM posts and just want a quick fix.
Quite right. It's really simple. And for the newbies moaning against this sensible advice - it's always the way it has been on AVS. No posts about SM should be made without the warnings in the same post. Which you'd know if you weren't a newbie

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^^ What is "perfect calibration"? I thought some put meters to it, some use their own tuning method and the others believe in eye of the beholder!
I should have put that in quotes . There is only one way to calibrate, and that's with a meter. But there are still lots of folks who believe that you can borrow settings from someone else who actually calibrated their panel with a meter, apply those settings to your panel, and have a "calibrated" panel.
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I should have put that in quotes . There is only one way to calibrate, and that's with a meter. But there are still lots of folks who believe that you can borrow settings from someone else who actually calibrated their panel with a meter, apply those settings to your panel, and have a "calibrated" panel.
And of course logically, if that worked, the factory would be doing it already.
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Been wondering something. When I got my LG C8 about 6 months ago and went online looking for some settings to try, I came across RTings and began using their settings with small tweaks. Using Cinema picture mode seems pretty common. But I see more and more that people tend to start with ISF expert or Technicolor expert. Which one is better vs Cinema? Are they all different in thier own way or can they all be set to be identical in the end?


Edit. Adding to my question. Is ISF Expert only for someone using calibration tools? If you are just adjusting by eye, is it better to stick with Cinema?

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how come best buy and other stores are no longer selling the E8?
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how come best buy and other stores are no longer selling the E8?

Because the 8 series was last year's model and has been replaced by the 9 series. Once the 8s are gone, no more.

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Because the 8 series was last year's model and has been replaced by the 9 series. Once the 8s are gone, no more.
thats crazy and yet u can still buy a B8 thou......
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thats crazy and yet u can still buy a B8 thou......
Not so crazy... LG probably made a lot more B8s than E8s.
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How could someone interested in going into the service menu not know the risks associated with doing so since posts about the dangers equal posts about the SM? We are all big boys and girls, one should just make sure they are sober when entering the SM - the first time

Very sober advice.


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Because there are lots of folks who lurk here, not ever posting (for what ever reason), just to find those perfect calibrations settings to apply or fix what ever issues they have, real or perceived, and not ever bother to take the time to read the other SM-related posts. Those of us OCD folks who post and discuss here know all to well the dangers of messing around in the SM, but I've always felt that if someone is going to post a "how to" on entering the SM, they should at the very least also post the dangers of entering the SM with each and every SM post. That way a newbie or first time member has that information at the same time as well. I have seen on numerous occasions newbies entering the SM and actually bricking their tv's, either by hitting the wrong command/option, or entering a command or option that didn't work correctly because their firmware version was different. I sort of look at it as a public service announcement that should be done with each and every post about the SM.

1. Having missed the first 3 dozen warnings against venturing into the SM, let that be a lesson to those too lazy to read through the thread first.


2. Why haven't any of those who have bricked their sets posted a WARNING describing their misfortune so others will not repeat their mistakes? Is it that they are too embarrassed or are they too selfish to share the details step by step of what not to do in the SM?



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Simply put, as a responsible member of AVS, if you are going to post information about entering the SM for any reason, you should also post the negative aspects of doing such with each post for the newbies and/or lurkers who don't bother to read the countless other SM posts and just want a quick fix.

Redundancy leads to boredom (just ask anyone no longer employed) which is an encouragement to not read thoroughly through a thread bloated with the same redundancies.




As for "responsible members of AVS," see #2 above.
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