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post #19141 of 21605 Old 07-15-2019, 01:01 PM
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what's the best 4K player to pair with C8?
Panasonic DP-UB820
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I wanted a no frills, not too expensive 4k UHD player so I went with the LG UBK90. I wanted the new Panasonic player but I just couldn't justify the cost. So far I've been very happy with it and it pairs nicely with the 65 C8. The only downside that I've seen so far is that you can not disable CEC on the UBK90 if you don't want to use it. However, if CEC is disabled on the rest of your components there aren't any issues.
Seems to me like a good calibration will effect everything you watch where the player only effects what is coming thru that.

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Seems to me link a good calibration will effect everything you watch where the player only effects what is coming thru that.
Yep. I just haven't felt compelled to get my C8 calibrated yet. PQ is still excellent but I want to wait until this update mess is settled because I only want to pay for one calibration.
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Expensive but I second.
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^^^ agreed. However, I had already exceeded my allotted budget for the new HTS (including furniture) so I had to make a choice

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Well, I'm now the poster child for "don't go into the service menu unless you know what you're doing."



I wanted to see if my comp cycles were running. So I used my Logitech remote and pressed "in-start" button. And gave the code 0413. Saw what I wanted to see.



Couldn't get out of the menu with any button on the LG remote itself. So, I used the "exit" button on the remote.



That got me curious about the "in-stop" button though. So I pressed it, gave the 0413 code, and a "processing" screen showed up. . . and then the TV shut off.



Some googling seems to indicate that this is a "factory reset" above and beyond the normal factory reset initiated through usual menu.



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I have no idea why it does that. Maybe it's my phone
Smart phones have auto-correct active at all times. You can change the auto-correct to have short cut substitution for some thing like xyz to appear as anything you want. Seems like your’s has somehow gotten something weird added to auto-correct.
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Just curious as to if the pixel refresher that runs every four hours has any affect at all like the more intense one that runs every 2000 hours does in terms of quality and brightness of the TV as has been explained that the 2000 hour ones do? Also, what exactly does the Real Cinema setting do? Thanks in advance.

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I have no idea why it does that. Maybe it's my phone
All I know is that it didn't use too. It just started like 2 weeks ago maybe!
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What are people's thoughts on using HDR on their OLED?

It's an outstanding feature on these panels especially, but due to claims that it will shorten the lifespan (by how much no one knows yet), I've stopped using it.
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What are people's thoughts on using HDR on their OLED?

It's an outstanding feature on these panels especially, but due to claims that it will shorten the lifespan (by how much no one knows yet), I've stopped using it.
Well I've had my b6 since 2016 and I notice zero problems and it gets bombarded with hdr Netflix etc all the time. I think not using it seems a bit silly to be honest. That's akin to buying a Lamborghini and never going over 65 imo. But whatever helps you sleep at night! 👍👍
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Well I've had my b6 since 2016 and I notice zero problems and it gets bombarded with hdr Netflix etc all the time. I think not using it seems a bit silly to be honest. That's akin to buying a Lamborghini and never going over 65 imo. But whatever helps you sleep at night! 👍👍
It's not about immediate problems, but speeding up the decay of the pixels which inevitably happens to OLED. An increase in voltage makes them wear out faster.

I agree it is kind of silly not to use it when it can make things look so much better, but I was enjoying the picture before I decided to try HDR.
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what exactly does the Real Cinema setting do? Thanks in advance.
From @janos666 : this setting actually works in a reverse way.
- if it's On: it doesn't touch the 23p/24p material and displays every frame on its 120Hz panel 5 times
- if it's Off: it results in judder by doing 2:3 pulldown with 23p/24p material -> getting 60p -> then doubling the framerate to reach 120Hz. It also increases the input lag this time. It can be used with 60Hz broadcast to do inverse-telecine to get 24p.

So, if you use 23/24p content then switch it On: meaning video fps will be untouched.

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What are people's thoughts on using HDR on their OLED?

It's an outstanding feature on these panels especially, but due to claims that it will shorten the lifespan (by how much no one knows yet), I've stopped using it.

I am watching at my 77C8 almost only HDR. (I use a projector for SDR movies and dont watch regular TV broadcast). HDR is what OLED TVs are made for! Even if the half-life of the panel should drop from 30,000 to 25,000 hours or whatever, that's definitely worth the jaw-dropping HDR picture.

In addition: I have also read studies that say, a calibrated HDR image is in total not brighter than an average SDR image. Of course, the specular highlights are much brighter (which is the fascination of HDR), but the overall luminance should not be higher. Maybe an expert here in the forums can say something more about this? ...
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Does anyone hate the remote as much as I do? Every time I set it down, it rolls over...lol
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Does anyone hate the remote as much as I do? Every time I set it down, it rolls over...lol
Speaking of remotes I have a big problem with mine. I recently got a LG 43" UHD TV for my new computer monitor and it's in the same room as my 65" C8.

Every time I use it it turns the other set off or on, or changes the input. Does anybody know of a way to get the remotes to control only each TV?

Most of the remotes I've had in the past had a code or way of making it work with only that unit.

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I'd like to ask the Gurus about this, what do you think???

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If you want to see how good chroma can look on your C8, I can show you. The problem is, in that mode, the video goes 8-bit so you get massive banding.
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In PC mode several image controls are disabled, but it is stuff you should turn off anyway if our goal is to preserve artistic intent. If you like those settings, such as detail enhance or noise reduction, then this mode would never work for you even if it stayed in 10-bit. I believe the 6 series stays 10-bit while 7, 8 and 9 do not.

Chroma resolution is better, but now there is banding! Even the smoke in the menu shows severe banding. But this also makes a nice demo for the quantization rotate pattern. In PC mode, the bottom 10-bit looks just like the top 8-bit. When you switch the label (maybe it is called icon) back, then the bottom 10-bit section looks much smoother as you are 10-bit again.
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I am watching at my 77C8 almost only HDR. (I use a projector for SDR movies and dont watch regular TV broadcast). HDR is what OLED TVs are made for! Even if the half-life of the panel should drop from 30,000 to 25,000 hours or whatever, that's definitely worth the jaw-dropping HDR picture.

In addition: I have also read studies that say, a calibrated HDR image is in total not brighter than an average SDR image. Of course, the specular highlights are much brighter (which is the fascination of HDR), but the overall luminance should not be higher. Maybe an expert here in the forums can say something more about this? ...
I guess you're right. I was playing a game in HDR this morning for a couple hours just to see the improvement, and now I can't play it without HDR.

Another question, I've been hearing about a settling period for the panel to reach its full potential. How true is this? I have 144 hours on mine and today everything about the picture looks better than when I first got it. Maybe having it in HDR helped it settle? The SDR settings haven't been changed for over a week.
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I'd like to ask the Gurus about this, what do you think???
Lg Oleds have always had worse gradation (banding) when using pc-mode. For that reason I don't use pc-mode even though I would love to have 4:4:4 chroma. I guess no one except LG engineers could tell us why..



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I'd like to ask the Gurus about this, what do you think???

At least with regard to the PS4 Pro, if the settings there are set in a certain way (YUV 4:2:0), there won't be any noticable banding in PC mode for HDR games. This is exactly what I do to get a calibrated picture for HDR games (instead of the not-so-adjustable HDR picture in game mode).
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Lg Oleds have always had worse gradation (banding) when using pc-mode. For that reason I don't use pc-mode even though I would love to have 4:4:4 chroma. I guess no one except LG engineers could tell us why..
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Against the 8bit argument, I tested it on B8 when I got mine: "In SDR mode ... there's heavy banding in PC mode using both 8bit and 10bit input (difference is minimal between the 2)"
Meaning, there's even banding with 8bit input! Hence I think it must be something different.
I really like 4:4:4 chroma, hence I always use PC mode.

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At least with regard to the PS4 Pro, if the settings there are set in a certain way (YUV 4:2:0), there won't be any noticable banding in PC mode for HDR games. This is exactly what I do to get a calibrated picture for HDR games (instead of the not-so-adjustable HDR picture in game mode).
Cheers, but the question was more about 8bit vs 10bit processing (than banding).

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Lg Oleds have always had worse gradation (banding) when using pc-mode. For that reason I don't use pc-mode even though I would love to have 4:4:4 chroma. I guess no one except LG engineers could tell us why..



Apparently this is also still the case with the C9:




https://www.rtings.com/tv/discussion.../pc-mode-issue
surely people arent making enough of a big deal for LG to just ignore

i refuse to believe that this problem is not solvable, problem is, even if they bothered fixing it at some point they will likely not bring the fix to the 8 series
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I just got a 55C8 with the Prime Days deals and I already have a 2.1 sound system using a receiver that has 7.2 surround pre-out outputs.

I was wondering if I could use the TV speakers as center channel using the corresponding pre-out from the receiver.

To do that, the TV must be able to play audio coming from the composite input and another video input at the same time.

Does anyone know if the 55C8 is capable of that?

This idea came from reading a thread here from a user with kind of the same goal I have, namely to use the TV speakers as center channel.

If anyone has any other possible solution, I gladly accept alternatives!
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I just got a 55C8 with the Prime Days deals and I already have a 2.1 sound system using a receiver that has 7.2 surround pre-out outputs.

I was wondering if I could use the TV speakers as center channel using the corresponding pre-out from the receiver.
You're much better off having a "phantom" center with your 2 main speakers. I don't know what kind of speakers you have, but they are more than likely far superior to TV speakers.
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You're much better off having a "phantom" center with your 2 main speakers. I don't know what kind of speakers you have, but they are more than likely far superior to TV speakers.
Actually they are a pair of HS8 active monitors that I move from my PC desk to the speaker stands on the sides of the TV.

How could I go on about creating a "phantom" center? It's a totally unheard of concept to me, but if it manages to deliver a better result than a physical center speaker I'll be happy to do it.
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What are people's thoughts on using HDR on their OLED?

It's an outstanding feature on these panels especially, but due to claims that it will shorten the lifespan (by how much no one knows yet), I've stopped using it.
I'd want to see evidence for those claims. In fact, please link to them and we can discuss them here, including who is making them. There are "claims" of all sort of things that aren't true, such as the claims that you can get burn-in by watching only 2.35:1 ratio movies for example - thoroughly debunked by the excellent R-Tings study (see their website).

As for not using HDR, if you're going to do that, why even bother buying the TV? Most of the content is mastered at ~100 nits as standard, it's only specular highlights that are brighter. Since the PQ curve used by HDR is absolute, not relative, you don't get much choice (beyond using the "Home" modes which don't follow PQ and are "a little too bright than standard") in the matter. Contrast that with the habit of some users to watch their SDR content at 300 nits, and in fact you'd "wear out" the TV far MORE by watching SDR content. Especially if you use the factory defaults.

In short, those anonymous claims are ludicrous and can be ignored until they have been proven. Just IMHO

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