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Hmm but you linked to a B8 thread, I can't find many complaints at all in the C8 thread there and here.
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Hmm but you linked to a B8 thread, I can't find many complaints at all in the C8 thread there and here.
There were (I don't have time to search for them now, but I also reported/asked in this thread as well), but janos666 also has a C8 and from the post that you have just linked:
"near-black TRC error of the DolbyVision mode (a fresh new issue with this firmware version) started to bother me a lot with a very dark sci-fi show (Nightfliers)"

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There *may* be an issue (I haven't noticed it yet)

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post58582074

Reading that it sounds like exactly what I'm getting when using pc-mode for HDR, terrible color banding in the low-end. But in non-pc mode my C8 definitely doesn't have this problem. I've watched tons of dark HDR content and I only use a manual calibration.
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^HDR/DV never looked better, especially after this last update!
Agreed. I used to have to adjust brightness just to get it right but now it is perfect at default.
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Reading that it sounds like exactly what I'm getting when using pc-mode for HDR, terrible color banding in the low-end. But in non-pc mode my C8 definitely doesn't have this problem. I've watched tons of dark HDR content and I only use a manual calibration.
Neither does mine (.03). However, I don't have a reason to use PC mode so I've not seen it.

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I looked but could not find a post of yours explaining why you went from a 77C9 to 77C8. I'm curious to know the story.
Sure...Thats because I never did explain my decision. One of the main reasons why I returned the 77C9 for 77C8 was I just could not justify the price difference for what I was getting, now this of course was after two weeks or so of ownership. HDMI 2.1 is meaningless to me, and while their were improvements...they just didnt justify the cost difference...which was huge between the two sets. Let me be clear though, while for me I couldnt see much difference others can, and could be because of panel variance, the C9 is still the better set...if it were the 65 I would have stuck with it.
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Is there a way to brighten up the picture on the 65C8 via the service menu? Because my 65B7 is substantially brighter in SDR content as well as HDR content (even with dynamic tone mapping engaged). All settings that you see in this video are identical for SDR. I know the exposure is finicky and might be misleading with two TVs on the screen at the same time but you can clearly see that my B7 on the right is much brighter whether you are seeing it on video or in person like I do.


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So, I have a fairly new 65 C8 (2 months old) and I am having issues with black levels using latest firmware.

With brightness set to anything lower than 56, black detail is crushed, and that is with IRE 5 set to 12 and IRE 10 set to 10.

The picture does look a tiny bit washed out, guessing because brightness is too high?


What is the best cause of action here? do I change to gamma 1.9 from 2.2.? or perhaps raise the IRE levels some more?

I also played around with dynamic contrast, but that just gave me weird looking colors


I know it's still a relatively new set, and so things may improve over time, but for now I am trying to work out the best way to get rid of crushed blacks without adversely affecting the picture.


Looking forward to any suggestions, thanks

My panel is like that too. Way too dark low-end at default settings, even before all the gamma affecting FW updates.
Apparently some panels are just like that as this has also been mentioned by Ted here in post 281:

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On my panel I can't increase brightness as much as would be needed without ruining black.

I'm getting the best near-black range by lowering sub-brightness in the service menu by 2 clicks and increasing 2-Point Low RGB or RGB Cut in the service menu. The required adjustments vary depending on targeted peak brightness (oled-light). The drawback to this is that this makes my TV more prone to showing the near-black chrominance overshoot.

If I just use 20 Point White Balance adjustments to get 5% to target then the below 5% range will be too dark but the TV shows almost no near-black chrominance overshoot.

So, on my panel it's a compromise and this basically was the reason why I even bought a meter as doing this accurately by eye is impossible.
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So, I have a fairly new 65 C8 (2 months old) and I am having issues with black levels using latest firmware.

With brightness set to anything lower than 56, black detail is crushed, and that is with IRE 5 set to 12 and IRE 10 set to 10.

The picture does look a tiny bit washed out, guessing because brightness is too high?


What is the best cause of action here? do I change to gamma 1.9 from 2.2.? or perhaps raise the IRE levels some more?

I also played around with dynamic contrast, but that just gave me weird looking colors


I know it's still a relatively new set, and so things may improve over time, but for now I am trying to work out the best way to get rid of crushed blacks without adversely affecting the picture.
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Is there a way to brighten up the picture on the 65C8 via the service menu? Because my 65B7 is substantially brighter in SDR content as well as HDR content (even with dynamic tone mapping engaged). All settings that you see in this video are identical for SDR. I know the exposure is finicky and might be misleading with two TVs on the screen at the same time but you can clearly see that my B7 on the right is much brighter whether you are seeing it on video or in person like I do.
It's probably panel variances. You could easily have a "particularly bright B7" and a "particularly dim C8" for example.

And/or, it's possible that the B7 could be "inaccurately too bright" and the C8 be "accurately correctly bright".

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How is the original post I quoted now below my answer? Did I timetravel?
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My panel is like that too. Way too dark low-end at default settings, even before all the gamma affecting FW updates.
Apparently some panels are just like that as this has also been mentioned by Ted here in post 281:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post58376964


On my panel I can't increase brightness as much as would be needed without ruining black.

I'm getting the best near-black range by lowering sub-brightness in the service menu by 2 clicks and increasing 2-Point Low RGB or RGB Cut in the service menu. The required adjustments vary depending on targeted peak brightness (oled-light). The drawback to this is that this makes my TV more prone to showing the near-black chrominance overshoot.

If I just use 20 Point White Balance adjustments to get 5% to target then the below 5% range will be too dark but the TV shows almost no near-black chrominance overshoot.

So, on my panel it's a compromise and this basically was the reason why I even bought a meter as doing this accurately by eye is impossible.



Interesting.....thanks!

I dont have access to the service menu



So, I guess all I can do is leave brightness at 56 and then keep increasing IRE 5% & 10%?

I am sure I read somewhere that you shouldn't raise these too high though........anyone have any recommendations? thanks!
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Raising brightness or 2 Point Low RGB to fix the low-end will also mess with the higher gamma range and can lead to a washed out look like you said. This can be corrected using 20 Point WB adjustments but without measuring this there isn't really anything you can do...

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The picture is blown out and not sharp. I tried even using super resulution and sharpness but the picture is not the same........

And Colours seems weird, I guess the white pixel is really important to frame the picture , but they turned it off. HDR is dimmed tll

And why wouldnt LG allow downgrades? It's only a few people who use it , they want u to upgrade to c9 probably.


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How is the original post I quoted now below my answer? Did I timetravel?
Based on what I have read this morning, you should blame it on the latest firmware
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Raising brightness or 2 Point Low RGB to fix the low-end will also mess with the higher gamma range and can lead to a washed out look like you said. This can be corrected using 20 Point WB adjustments but without measuring this there isn't really anything you can do...
OK, thanks!

Are there any side-effects raising 20 point white balance, as for IRE 5%, this will have to be 20 to 30 I am sure
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It's probably panel variances. You could easily have a "particularly bright B7" and a "particularly dim C8" for example.



And/or, it's possible that the B7 could be "inaccurately too bright" and the C8 be "accurately correctly bright".



Just speculating of course.


Although frowned upon by calibrators I will admit that it is innaccurately too bright but the settings are the same on both TVs so panel variance could definitely play a factor.


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OK, thanks!
Are there any side-effects raising 20 point white balance, as for IRE 5%, this will have to be 20 to 30 I am sure

20-30 clicks for 5%?? That sounds like a lot. I thought mine is messed up but it doesn't require anywhere near that large of an adjustment. How did you even determine that? If it's just video level 17 that is clipped on a black clipping pattern I would just ignore that.
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20-30 clicks for 5%?? That sounds like a lot. I thought mine is messed up but it doesn't require anywhere near that large of an adjustment. How did you even determine that? If it's just video level 17 that is clipped on a black clipping pattern I would just ignore that.
I have been testing against Wizziwig black pluge pattern video.

I currently have brightness set to 56 and IRE 5% set to 12, but in order to lower brightness to say 52, then IRE 5% will have to be increased.

Been scanning the forums today and some other have suggested raising all RGB values for IRE 5, so I may try that later too.
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Sure...Thats because I never did explain my decision. One of the main reasons why I returned the 77C9 for 77C8 was I just could not justify the price difference for what I was getting, now this of course was after two weeks or so of ownership. HDMI 2.1 is meaningless to me, and while their were improvements...they just didnt justify the cost difference...which was huge between the two sets. Let me be clear though, while for me I couldnt see much difference others can, and could be because of panel variance, the C9 is still the better set...if it were the 65 I would have stuck with it.

Good to know. So, it was simply a cost effectiveness issue or bang fro the buck factor. That's what I assumed. But it is good to know for sure that you think the C9 is still an improvement in baby steps development that LG follows. I have often wondered why it is that developers don't just keep selling year to year the same exact tech until they can put out a truly advanced model to justify consumer upgrades. The C8 seems to me to be right now the pinnacle of objective Picture Quality capability, especially since they have a near lock on panel production, and all other factors are subjective nit-picking preference issues such as those you point out were not worth the cost for you. Of course, the answer to why is the marketers can sell the same basic tech for more money each year if they add "new and improved" bells and whistles for show an bragging rights to the product. The C9 is not an advancement so much as just a money draw for the developer. Thanks for the response.

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^for sure it was price to value...both are even in some categories and others the C9 is better but when it comes to the 77, to me it wasnt enough. For some reason I think next year might bring some interesting updates.
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I’ve had my LG C8 for a few months and tried playing a DVD. The picture was displayed but there was no audio. To trouble shoot I took the DVD player out of the console and hooked it up directly to each of the HDMI ports. They all carried the video signal but none carried audio. To eliminate the DVD player and cable as the problem, I connected them to another TV and everything worked perfectly. I plugged my cable box into each of the HDMI ports on the C8 and they all displayed the cable audio/video. This is the simplest setup possible; working DVD player, working HDMI cable and a working C8. All the inputs are active except when playing from my Blu-ray. I don’t see any fixes in the menu. Video fine, no audio. Any ideas?
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Good to know. So, it was simply a cost effectiveness issue or bang fro the buck factor. That's what I assumed. But it is good to know for sure that you think the C9 is still an improvement in baby steps development that LG follows. I have often wondered why it is that developers don't just keep selling year to year the same exact tech until they can put out a truly advanced model to justify consumer upgrades.
I think they need to add something each year because they are being compared with the other manufacturers each year. There are often minor advancements but they are not aimed at owners of the last year's model. I find the concept of buying such a huge new expensive television every year absolutely baffling. Technology doesn't change that fast. Same with mobile telephones. Way too expensive, with too few advancements, to replace that quickly.

I'd say that each year, the new model is aimed at whomever is in the market for buying a new TV. Only a tiny, tiny fraction of those will be owners of the same manufacturer's existing model! The vast majority will be people who are buying a new TV for the normal reasons - the natural end of life of their previous one (for me, 8+ years old, for others, fewer, say 3-5). Only an extremely rich person, or someone who accepts that they are paying a large premium (even during the year prices plunge), would buy the "next year" model form what they own.

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Don't agree with your framing, see above :-). There's one big change for us amateur trainee calibrators on the 2019 models - the built-in pattern generator. This enables calibration of Dolby Vision without spending ludicrous money for massively overpriced Dolby-Vision-capable pattern generators. With what I have no I can calibrate SDR and HDR10/HLG. But I can't ever fully calibrate Dolby Vision on my C8.

I wouldn't dream of "upgrading" to a C9 just for that, I'd lose a packet of money. I've just filed it mentally as "ok, in 3-5 years time it looks like they'll all have built-in pattern generators, cool".
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You didn't keep a copy of the settings before the reset? That's what you're supposed to do before resets...
It was not a normal calibration with a handful of white balance numbers you can re-enter with the remote and for that reason, there was no "copy of the settings" that he could have kept: it was a 1DLUT with 1,024 entries and a 3DLUT with 33x33x33 entries!

Covered extensively on this thread - don't put him through it all again by forcing him to explain, poor guy. We all make mistakes.
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I find the concept of buying such a huge new expensive television every year absolutely baffling. Technology doesn't change that fast. Same with mobile telephones. Way too expensive, with too few advancements, to replace that quickly.
While I agree, I dont think its not such a big deal or baffling as a lot of members upgrade all the time, if you got the money then why not, of course my switch back from 77c9 to 77c8 being an excpetion for me. Ive "upgraded" oled's since my very first EF9500. Ive also owned every galaxy phone since the s2. Now if you really think about it...TV's in general, especially high end sets are still astronomically high, but companies know that we will pay...however prices have come down significantly from just a few years ago, and for me I dont ger rid of my tvs...they just get moved to different rooms where my other kids enjoy them, or in the case of my oldest son whos in college got my old E6.

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