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I keep reading that people have crushed blacks on 5.10.03. Measuring gamma with my meter on my C8, it is almost exactly the same as before the overshoot fix. So close that the difference would not be discernible by eye. This firmware in my opinion is the best we've had so far.
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Well it's just insulting to those of us who try to help and give the answer the first time. And the second. And the third. It's effectively accusing us all of lying. And not responding to the answers, but instead just waiting for a bit and then re-posting the question as if we hadn't replied - is also obnoxious. And that's if there was NO search feature where she could have found out for herself. It's not as if there aren't thousands of posts on the subject and we're all sick of it...

He is doing the same on the german forums, angry complaints and ignoring anyone trying to help...
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You guys could just put him on your ignore list...he is probably getting a kick out of frustrating you...this is classic troll behavior.
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I keep reading that people have crushed blacks on 5.10.03. Measuring gamma with my meter on my C8, it is almost exactly the same as before the overshoot fix. So close that the difference would not be discernible by eye. This firmware in my opinion is the best we've had so far.
Agreed, I think this is the cleanest Ive seen sdr/hdr on this set for sure.
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I also have crushed blacks in Filmware 03. I can't go back, I'm stuck
Rubbish, just use the equipment that you told us you had, and just calibrate it out.
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It was not a normal calibration with a handful of white balance numbers you can re-enter with the remote and for that reason, there was no "copy of the settings" that he could have kept: it was a 1DLUT with 1,024 entries and a 3DLUT with 33x33x33 entries!

Covered extensively on this thread - don't put him through it all again by forcing him to explain, poor guy. We all make mistakes.
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Despite having calibrated to gamma 2.4 from 5 to 100 I will not be able to return all the details. I will go 1 is very very dark and jump to a much higher luminosity in I will go 2. I would need a balance to 21 points that allows me to adjust that first I will go to recover the detail I had with Filmware 15 which in my case was much more uniform. That's why I miss my previous filmware. Nothing else.
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Has anyone tested a downgrade on 5.xx with smart app? Does it work

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You've asked this several times and brought up the topic numerous times as well. It's time to move on. If you continue to down this path, you may find yourself suspended from posting in this thread.
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Ok I found out what LG is doing. They are lowering resolution on the darkest greytone which will affect resolution of the picture in General. That's their solution for Chroma Overshoot. FlatpanelsHD reports the same, u can read it in their reviews.

I'm not asking for help because I know myself the only solution would be downgrading. There's no setting which would help out.



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Ok I found out what LG is doing. They are lowering resolution on the darkest greytone which will affect resolution of the picture in General. That's their solution for Chroma Overshoot. FlatpanelsHD reports the same, u can read it in their reviews.

I'm not asking for help because I know myself the only solution would be downgrading. There's no setting which would help out.



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Sheesh! You can't downgrade. If you want to try that app, then go ahead and let us know how it goes. I have zero issues on my C8 when I went straight from .15 to .03. The .15 version was rock solid and it appears that .03 is the same, if not a bit better.
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Ok I found out what LG is doing. They are lowering resolution on the darkest greytone which will affect resolution of the picture in General. That's their solution for Chroma Overshoot. FlatpanelsHD reports the same, u can read it in their reviews.

I'm not asking for help because I know myself the only solution would be downgrading. There's no setting which would help out.



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Please stop posting... Stop cluttering up the forum. We know what the issues were, are and what's been done.

Downgrading is not possible and the chroma overshoot issue had been around since the beginning & it won't erase the chroma overshoot issue. It will still be there.

Try using search and reading ALL the posts that everyone posted when this was first reported.

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Ok I found out what LG is doing. They are lowering resolution on the darkest greytone which will affect resolution of the picture in General. That's their solution for Chroma Overshoot. FlatpanelsHD reports the same, u can read it in their reviews.

I'm not asking for help because I know myself the only solution would be downgrading. There's no setting which would help out.



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Well reversing or down grading the firmware is not possible, so it's time to move on. You've posted your concerns, but there doesn't appear to be a resolution, repeated posts concerning those issues won't change that.
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Can you guys please start using the full version numbers when talking about firmware. Because we now have 5.10.15 and just saying .15 and .03 is going to cause a lot of confusion.
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Well reversing or down grading the firmware is not possible, so it's time to move on. You've posted your concerns, but there doesn't appear to be a resolution, repeated posts concerning those issues won't change that.
Ure right, the only hope I have is LG improving their solution for the Chroma Overshoot Issue trough another Firmware Updates.



Currently I'm 5.10.03 has anyone a link to manual update 5.10.15 ?

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Ure right, the only hope I have is LG improving their solution for the Chroma Overshoot Issue trough another Firmware Updates.
This is very unlikely. The reason is because the work-around we have now went through 7 months of testing. The fact that they were willing to do anything at all, was pretty impressive. LG sells the same panels to Sony, Philips, Panasonic and other manufacturers, so they all have the exact same hardware problem. Panasonic use their own T-Con and worked around it that way.

Sony have told their customers to screw it and they won't do anything, basically.

LG worked very hard to equalise the gamma between 5.* and 4.* which was the reason for part of the delay. What you said about "lowering the resolution" is completely wrong and detailed analysis was done in the previous 10,000 posts. I state this not for you (because I know you'll just argue back regardless of what anyone says or what the facts are), but to aid other readers who might inadvertently believe you and repeat it.

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I haven't seen one, so you will just have to wait like everyone else has to. HTH.
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According to FlatpanelsHD :

 you can see in the shot to the right, the panel now uses dithering to reproduce shades of grey. And no, it is not erotic in any way, in fact it appears to reduce resolution in the darkest tones, which can be observed on a black to white gradient that produces some banding. 




This is the same I witnessed. And I rather trust a review Site and my eyes than a common user here

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Can you guys please start using the full version numbers when talking about firmware. Because we now have 5.10.15 and just saying .15 and .03 is going to cause a lot of confusion.
Good point, and I agree. Especially as there WAS definitely a v4.10.15.

You say "now we have 5.10.15", but we're still waiting to see. It's only been mentioned by one newbie user (Leo768) who is someone keen to use the removed USB Expert menu to go back to firmware which has the near-black chroma overshoot issue.

Normally, if a new public firmware is being rolled out, at least a few people will post to say they have it. So I hope a few more people post over the next week or so about it.
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According to FlatpanelsHD :

 you can see in the shot to the right, the panel now uses dithering to reproduce shades of grey. And no, it is not erotic in any way, in fact it appears to reduce resolution in the darkest tones, which can be observed on a black to white gradient that produces some banding. 

This is the same I witnessed. And I rather trust a review Site and my eyes than a common user here
That - your unlinked quote from the review of the 2019 C9, which is not even this model - is only part of the 7 months and 10,000 posts of discussion. You've been pointed to it before, but you refuse to go back, read up, and engage . And I rather trust the evidence than a common newbie here who won't listen. It's the Ignore bin for you, thanks.
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^for a common user, your pretty knowledgeable. What an exercise in futility though.
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^for a common user, your pretty knowledgeable. What an exercise in futility though.
Heh ta. It's all from reading this forum. The level of technically discussion here trounces many others. Industry insiders posting on various threads, professional calibrators, developers of that software, film soundtrack creators, the list goes on.
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Non-calibration query :

In the UK our digital terrestrial EPG (known as Freeview) also carries IP streams on certain logical channel numbers. These streams are broadcast channels and VOD portals such as Planet Knowledge. (I'm not sure whether it happens elsewhere, hence the explanation).

I've discovered an annoying quirk with my E8 - when I watch an IP stream the screen saver kicks in after two minutes! It seems to think that I'm not watching a channel. As this method of transmission is becoming more prevalent this issue needs to be sorted. I can't see a way to disable the screen saver, not that I'd want to. Has anyone else experienced what I'm talking about and cured it?

Watching internet streams through an app is fine e.g. BBC iPlayer, Amazon Prime etc, so it's just an issue with the Freeview system.
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Hmm that sounds like a nasty bug. As far as I can tell there's no way to disable the screen saver. Might be worth trying to raise with LG directly

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As you can see in the shot to the right, the panel now uses dithering to reproduce shades of grey. And no, it is not erotic in any way, in fact it appears to reduce resolution in the darkest tones, which can be observed on a black to white gradient that produces some banding.
What's a bit funny about this statement from flatpanelshd C9 review about dithering reducing resolution and causing banding is that this same TV (LG C9) actually won the category "Blacks & Shadow Detail" in the HDTVTest shootout.

Technically this might be true if you had a display with perfect near-black quantization but Oled TVs are far from perfect in that range and in my opinion the dithering does much more good than harm and does actually improve near-black gradation on my C8.
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Can you guys please start using the full version numbers when talking about firmware. Because we now have 5.10.15 and just saying .15 and .03 is going to cause a lot of confusion.
4.10.15 straight to 5.10.13. None of the reported issues with 4.10.15 and 5.10.03 is as good, if not better that 4.10.15. Updated OTA (hardwired) via LG. None of that Engineering Mode krap.
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I'm the opposite. I use review sites as a reference but not gospel. I have more faith in my fellow AVSers an AVers (the European version), who don't have any vested interests other than searching for the Holy Grail of panels Time for you to sell your LG and move on to Samsung or Sony to see if you have better luck. You've become very tiresome.
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Good point, and I agree. Especially as there WAS definitely a v4.10.15.

You say "now we have 5.10.15", but we're still waiting to see. It's only been mentioned by one newbie user (Leo768) who is someone keen to use the removed USB Expert menu to go back to firmware which has the near-black chroma overshoot issue.

Normally, if a new public firmware is being rolled out, at least a few people will post to say they have it. So I hope a few more people post over the next week or so about it.
Its right here: 5.10.15

I'm pretty sure it was discussed in this thread.
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