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post #61 of 468 Old 04-18-2018, 07:59 PM
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i only had that issue when i got the set. you have to turn off a setting so it doesn't dim. Maybe the update turned it on. I dont have any issues with dimming.
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I experience the dimming when gaming in 4k HDR. My Xbox One X is routed through a Denon 6300H to HDMI 3 on the A1E. When I get a chance, I will remove the AVR from the chain and see if that makes any difference (I suspect it will not as this did not occur until one of the last two A1E firmware updates). I have attached pictures of my settings and software build.
turn your gamma down. I almost had the same settings. you will get deeper blacks. turn you contrast all the way up too and mess with the adv contrast. I feel it adds a pop and makes the colors better in gaming. your settings now are washing out the colors. trust me.
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turn your gamma down. I almost had the same settings. you will get deeper blacks. turn you contrast all the way up too and mess with the adv contrast. I feel it adds a pop and makes the colors better in gaming. your settings now are washing out the colors. trust me.
I agree and usually do...but Witcher 3 has something wrong with its brightness/gamma...so those settings are to combat that. I use a lower gamma when not playing that particular game.

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Theres no way to downgrade the firmware is there

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The feature has always been there, no one is saying it wasn't. However the latest firmware update made the screen now dim within a minute of having any static image displayed over the screen, which makes playing games pretty frustrating.

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The feature has always been there, no one is saying it wasn't. However the latest firmware update made the screen now dim within a minute of having any static image displayed over the screen, which makes playing games pretty frustrating.
Not just static images. It dims after a minute when the APL hasn't changed, regardless of whether or not the picture is moving. It's nonsense.

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Attempting to play the new god of war has just highlighted how unacceptable this is. It constantly dims while I'm in the middle of combat. Rolling around, enemies everywhere, with the screen moving in all kinds of directions, and the next thing I know the screen has dimmed considerably. It just makes no sense.

In the morning I am attempting to bring this up the ladder at Sony, in an effort to either get an eta on when an update WILL be released, or have them send me a new set pre-update when I can go back to enjoy this amazing tv before the damn manufacturer issued an update to effectively ruin it. I'll let you all know how this works out, but if we can't get anywhere, I am sure there is some legal recourse we can take. I'm not sure they can legally add something like that hidden in an update without properly informing the customer. They spend all this time telling us how bright this tv is, how great it is for HDR, and then they set out to nerf it. This tv was wonderful before this update, and I have no idea what Sony were thinking when adding this. Stay tuned.

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To all who are reading this thread and don't have an A1E or have one and do not experience this issue:

This is not a feature of the set. This issue was not present prior to the DV firmware update. The dimming does not kick in just on static images. I play Witcher 3 (Xbox One X, HDR) for a few hours each night and it occurs over and over again while the game is actively being played.
As someone who doesn't have an A1E yet, do you know if they are shipping with this update installed now? Getting ready to buy, but this is troubling.
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As someone who doesn't have an A1E yet, do you know if they are shipping with this update installed now? Getting ready to buy, but this is troubling.
Not sure...but you can always return the set if needed. I am not as upset by it as others and believe it will be addressed in a later FW update.
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Yeah the new god of war in HDR really makes this issue visible, it dims in normal play and menu's more often then one would like...

I really wish rolling back firmware's was an option.

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Not sure...but you can always return the set if needed. I am not as upset by it as others and believe it will be addressed in a later FW update.
I no longer believe it will be addressed in a later FW update since they claim it's a "feature" now and they could have easily fixed it in the March 2018 update after enabling it in the January 2018 Dolby Vision update. Some 2017 LG owners are still waiting for their "bright game mode" to be restored (a petition was even made with plenty of signatures) but LG has called the dim game mode a feature and by design and by doing that they have forced owners who upgraded their firmware to either deal with it or buy the 2018 model.

I suspect Sony is going to do something similar. Once the Sony A8F gets Dolby Vision I can almost guarantee you they won't get the dimming feature that the A1E's received.

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Attempting to play the new god of war has just highlighted how unacceptable this is. It constantly dims while I'm in the middle of combat. Rolling around, enemies everywhere, with the screen moving in all kinds of directions, and the next thing I know the screen has dimmed considerably. It just makes no sense.

In the morning I am attempting to bring this up the ladder at Sony, in an effort to either get an eta on when an update WILL be released, or have them send me a new set pre-update when I can go back to enjoy this amazing tv before the damn manufacturer issued an update to effectively ruin it. I'll let you all know how this works out, but if we can't get anywhere, I am sure there is some legal recourse we can take. I'm not sure they can legally add something like that hidden in an update without properly informing the customer. They spend all this time telling us how bright this tv is, how great it is for HDR, and then they set out to nerf it. This tv was wonderful before this update, and I have no idea what Sony were thinking when adding this. Stay tuned.

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Please let us know how things turn out. If you can even get someone over there to acknowledge that it's an issue you will have made progress.

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Please let us know how things turn out. If you can even get someone over there to acknowledge that it's an issue you will have made progress.
I've started by reaching out to a few prominent people in the industry with far reaching connections. I've heard back from a few who've said they'll be looking into this and get back to me shortly.

In scanning the firmware update notes for the DV update, there is no mention whatsoever of adding anything like this, which makes it's addition sketchy at best. If it's a feature, then tell us about it and give us the option of using it or not..
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I no longer believe it will be addressed in a later FW update since they claim it's a "feature" now and they could have easily fixed it in the March 2018 update after enabling it in the January 2018 Dolby Vision update. Some 2017 LG owners are still waiting for their "bright game mode" to be restored (a petition was even made with plenty of signatures) but LG has called the dim game mode a feature and by design and by doing that they have forced owners who upgraded their firmware to either deal with it or buy the 2018 model.

I suspect Sony is going to do something similar. Once the Sony A8F gets Dolby Vision I can almost guarantee you they won't get the dimming feature that the A1E's received.
While likely a "feature"...I believe it is kicking in at unintended times (like while I am actively gaming). I think we need to contact support and word it that way.

Something like, "The auto-dim feature is kicking in when it should not...the screen is not static, yet the screen dims."
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Just an FYI update Folks; No dimming issues whatsoever on my A1 although I don’t game at all. Installed the DV update in January followed by the March 0082NAA update. No matter the source (Fios cable, A4KTV, UHD playback, Netflix) all is well. Certainly a perplexing issue for many of you & just hope it gets resolved quickly by the folks at Sony! Take Care!
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So you have started something in HDR, and paused it, and it did not dim down over time?

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I’m not noticing it either.

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So you have started something in HDR, and paused it, and it did not dim down over time?
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No Sir.
Very odd.

It doesn't come up, or hasn't yet, in live content, so I am not really concerned with it.

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Not sure...but you can always return the set if needed. I am not as upset by it as others and believe it will be addressed in a later FW update.
Good point, plus it seems as if there are a variety of experiences with it. I just ordered it, going to roll the dice and hope I either don't experience the issue or it gets resolved.
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Glad this thread is here, to add my experience, a post from another thread:

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I have now read a bunch of posts about this dimming issue, and to address a few things:

1. It definitely started with the latest firmware and wasn't present before.

2. It has nothing to do with HDR content. In my case I am getting it via playing non-HDR content a non-HDR PC hooked up to a non-HDR receiver to the TV.

3. It is definitely related to a certain percentage of the screen remaining static for some fairly short period of time (e.g. game menus).

4. It has nothing to do with specific streaming services (I get it when not streaming anything, others get it using a console for example).

Surely Sony much acknowledge and fix this?
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All that being said, this isn't a warranty issue. There is nothing wrong with our tv's. Sony did this, and now they need to fix it.
I strongly disagree.

Sony pushed the A1 hard as a premium screen with amazing picture quality etc etc etc. Then they broke their own software with a ****ty update, and now the set doesn't work properly at its main job, displaying nice looking images.

There is something wrong with our TVs: the algorithm for screen dimming is so aggressive that it actively ruins PQ in various circumstances.
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I’ve been playing GOW and no dimming. Very strange how this is only happening to certain units.

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I do not game, and honestly would have probably never noticed it happening, or thought twice about it, when it is paused if I wasnt on here. I doubt anything changes because most of the owners not on AVS will never even realize it.

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I do not game, and honestly would have probably never noticed it happening, or thought twice about it, when it is paused if I wasnt on here. I doubt anything changes because most of the owners not on AVS will never even realize it.
Yeah that's why i feel we are stuck with this thing forever.
Its not something I am overly dramatic over.
Its an annoyance while gaming in HDR, that the brightness is not what it should be +- 5% of the time.

If i could chose though, i would pick the old firmware over being able to use dolby vision, as i do game plenty of times.
I think its silly that rolling back firmware is not an option, it's just software.

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Yeah that's why i feel we are stuck with this thing forever.
Its not something I am overly dramatic over.
Its an annoyance while gaming in HDR, that the brightness is not what it should be +- 5% of the time.

If i could chose though, i would pick the old firmware over being able to use dolby vision, as i do game plenty of times.
I think its silly that rolling back firmware is not an option, it's just software.
I'm sure someone with knowledge could unpack the FW, and place the old FW in, and trick the tv to "Update" the FW. Problem is, who???

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Surely they must offer a way for people to roll back the firmware... it's only software like previous poster said... it's terrible the dimming, makes watching football / soccer difficult (e.g. watching Chelsea vs SHFC yesterday via BT Sport wireless streaming from mobile phone or connected via computer via HDMI), like someone has turned the floodlights off the pitch. Having to keep pressing the Discover button on then off on the Sony remote control to get the brightness back for a minute or so.

I have noticed that watching football / soccer via the inbuilt over the air terrestrial digital tv tuner does not dim - probably because the picture quality is too poor.

I'm sure this software update will also affect the new OLED A1F? screen that Sony is about to release to the shops, so will be interesting to see if the dimming issue is picked up the in forthcoming reviews.....
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Surely they must offer a way for people to roll back the firmware... it's only software like previous poster said... it's terrible the dimming, makes watching football / soccer difficult (e.g. watching Chelsea vs SHFC yesterday via BT Sport wireless streaming from mobile phone or connected via computer via HDMI), like someone has turned the floodlights off the pitch. Having to keep pressing the Discover button on then off on the Sony remote control to get the brightness back for a minute or so.

I have noticed that watching football / soccer via the inbuilt over the air terrestrial digital tv tuner does not dim - probably because the picture quality is too poor.

I'm sure this software update will also affect the new OLED A1F? screen that Sony is about to release to the shops, so will be interesting to see if the dimming issue is picked up the in forthcoming reviews.....
Never heard of an A1F. There is the A8F that is currently out, which may end up with the same behavior if it doesn't already have it. There have been a slide claiming an A9F is coming, but no A1F.

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To anyone having this problem whats your
  1. extended dynamic range
  2. gamma
  3. brightness
  4. contrast

Does it help if any of these are lowered?

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